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#1 RodrigoL

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:19

My predictions of the drivers' weights (lightest first)

Sebastian Vettel
Nico Rosberg
Jarno Trulli
Rubens Barrichello
Timo Glock
Jenson Button
Rober Kubica
Mark Webber
Kimi Raikkonen
Fernando Alonso

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#2 Phucaigh

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:20

Ross Brawn thinks Jarno/Toyota and the Red Bull are the main threat.

#3 Slowinfastout

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:21

Vettel lightest with a 10 spot grid penalty? I doubt it..

#4 Kelateboy

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:24

Originally posted by Taxi
wow... Ferrari just looks dead slow... And Button is proving he's a great driver! he's the favourit for the title if he wins tomorow. who would have guessed...

If Button makes it two in a row tomorrow, he is definitely a real deal for 2009 WDC and Brawn GP is in contention for WCC.

But nobody should underestimate Ferrari and McLaren. The could still improve with the new diffusers which could be in place before the start of European GPs.

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#5 Madras

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:24

This just shows how meaningless free practice times are.

#6 race addicted

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:27

Congratulations to Button and Brawn GP on their second consecutive pole!
-Toyota quick as well, with Trulli qualifying a close second with Glock fourth. Clearly they will feature in the race tomorrow as they have shown good speed over longer stints.
-Red Bull are in it too - Vettel third, but will drop back ten places. Better prospects for Webber who posted the sixth fastest time.
-Red faces at Ferrari as they messed things up with Massa not going for a second run in Q1. A bit better for Räikkönen who atleast progressed through to the next two sessions.




Please share your thoughts on qualifying!

#7 slideways

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:28

Originally posted by Slowinfastout
Vettel lightest with a 10 spot grid penalty? I doubt it..


I think he will be considerably lighter than a lot of them. Probably betting on raid or a safety car in the first 15 laps.

#8 Dragonfly

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:29

I was sure yesterday Brawn GP are holding back and testing other things.

Congrats to Button! :clap:
Barri may be a bit heavier due to penalty.

Ferrari are a joke. Hope LdM regrets twice they chased Ross out.
And very very glad for Ross Brawn. :up:

#9 TheSaltire

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:30

Replay show Barrichello waving his hand at Glock. Team tells him on the radio that they saw the blocking.

Possible penalty for Glock.

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#10 bankoq

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:32

BMW Sauber are the biggest disappointment of the seaon for me. Their car not the drivers of course.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:33

Originally posted by bankoq
BMW Sauber are the biggest disappointment of the seaon for me. Their car not the drivers of course.


Kubica must be fuming.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:35

I think Brawn's are one of the heaviest in top10 again. Alonso might be heavy as well. The grid is almost as in Australia so I think the fuel loads are same too.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:35

JB, fantastic. :up: :up:

Ditto Trulli :up: :up:

Great from Vettel, pity about the crappy penalty. Very good from Rosberg and Webber, nice to see them at the sharp end of the grid.

Massa :rotfl: :D

I guess Raikkonen and Alonso are fuelled for a long first run. Raikkonen might not be able to use KERS tomorrow?

Why was the thread with the amusing thread title closed? :confused:

#14 peroa

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:36

Well, Rubinho right in the middle of the pack.
Will be interesting tomorrow ...
;)

#15 Anomnader

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:37

Originally posted by RodrigoL
My predictions of the drivers' weights (lightest first)

Sebastian Vettel
Nico Rosberg
Jarno Trulli
Rubens Barrichello
Timo Glock
Jenson Button
Rober Kubica
Mark Webber
Kimi Raikkonen
Fernando Alonso


I'd go

Sebastian Vettel
Jarno Trulli
Nico Rosberg
Kimi Raikkonen
Rubens Barrichello
Jenson Button
Timo Glock
Rober Kubica
Fernando Alonso
Mark Webber

#16 D.M.N.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:37

Massa. :cry: :( :cry:

#17 inca_roads

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:38

Well done (particularly) to Button and Trulli.

Ferrari were really stupid.

Glut of Raikkonen, Alonso, McLarens in the midfield, should be interesting. With Massa coming through from further back also.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:38

Buttons q2 more than 1,2 s faster than his q3 run.. Eiter he had promblems in q3 or they were just hiding their speed again. Hope he wins tomorrow. :up: :up:

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:39

I think Räikkönen is relatively heavy. Lightest I agree must be between Vettel and Trulli. Surely Barrichello is heavier than Button - otherwise he's been seriously outperformed.

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#20 Madras

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:39

Trulli will be lighter than Glock I would think but probably no lighter than Australia. It's going to be Brawn v Toyota, with Red Bull in the hunt as well.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:40

I think Vettel might be on low fuel, using similar tactic as LH in Oz, even more since he's in a KERS sandwich

Nico was very pleased in the postquali interview, im guessing lot of fuel there

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:41

Originally posted by race addicted
I think Räikkönen is relatively heavy. Lightest I agree must be between Vettel and Trulli.


Everyone thought Massa and Kimi was heavy last week and it turned out to not be true, any reason it should be different this week?

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:41

Originally posted by FA and RK fan
Buttons q2 more than 1,2 s faster than his q3 run.. Eiter he had promblems in q3 or they were just hiding their speed again. Hope he wins tomorrow. :up: :up:

Fuel.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:41

At this point it looks to me that the natural order is:

Brawn
Toyota
Red Bull
Ferrari
Williams
BMW
Renault
McLaren
Toro Rosso
Force India

But the differences are very small, and it looks like Brawn might not own every other car tomorrow, i think Trulli will have a legit chance at winning the race. It it rains, then, anything can happen, even Hamilton or Massa could win it.

Talking about the qualifying, i think Ferrari were back to their amateurish ways in Q1, Massa should be in the top 10. Button, Trulli and Vettel were consistently fast and deserve their positions completely (well, Vettel will get a penalty, but the 3rd was well deserved). Good job from Alonso and Kubica for making it to Q3. :up:

#25 race addicted

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:43

Originally posted by Anomnader


Everyone thought Massa and Kimi was heavy last week and it turned out to not be true, any reason it should be different this week?


Because they've looked sharper in free practice.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:46

Originally posted by Anomnader


I'd go

Sebastian Vettel
Jarno Trulli
Nico Rosberg
Kimi Raikkonen
Rubens Barrichello
Jenson Button
Timo Glock
Rober Kubica
Fernando Alonso
Mark Webber


Trulli
Glock
Vettel
Rosberg
Webber
Kubica
Barrichello
Button
Alonso
Raikkonen

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:47

Buttons q2 more than 1,2 s faster than his q3 run.. Eiter he had promblems in q3 or they were just hiding their speed again. Hope he wins tomorrow.

Originally posted by Verbal

Fuel.


sorry, f.ked up, i meant q2 and q1 Although it could be fuel too.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:48

Button :up: - and I think he's not very light
Trulli :up: - didn't think he would be this competitive
Vettel :up: - shame for the penalty
Barrichello - starting from 9th, but he can get a good result still as we saw last week
Glock - he's in a good position starting from 3th and probably heavier than Trulli
Rosberg - 4th on the grid, I hope he will be more competitive this time than in Australia
Webber - I guess he's pretty heavy...
Kubica - good, compared to Heidfeld, but BMW is a disappointment anway
Kimi - so is Ferrari
Alonso - same as in the first part of last year, just manages to get into Q3 with Piquet being far behind

McLaren : at least some overtaking is already provided, I'm sure Lewis will make a good use of KERS and his ability just like in Melbourne

Massa - no comment...

#29 magicon

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:49

When will they publish fuel?

#30 race addicted

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:49

Between Q1 and Q2, it's not a fuel issue as both are done on low fuel. Between Q1 and Q2 it's just a matter of more rubber on track, and the drivers pushing harder.

#31 Anomnader

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:49

Originally posted by race addicted


Because they've looked sharper in free practice.


I don't know if thats reliable enough to guess fuel load.

I think he'll be 4 or 5th lightest again

remember he had kers switched off and still carrying the weight.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:50

Originally posted by magicon
When will they publish fuel?

approx 2 hours.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:50

Very exciting qualifying.

Originally posted by Anomnader


I'd go

Sebastian Vettel
Jarno Trulli
Nico Rosberg
Kimi Raikkonen
Rubens Barrichello
Jenson Button
Timo Glock
Rober Kubica
Fernando Alonso
Mark Webber


Alonso would have to be heavier then Webber surely?

#34 Anomnader

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:50

Originally posted by giltkid


Trulli
Glock
Vettel
Rosberg
Webber
Kubica
Barrichello
Button
Alonso
Raikkonen


Raikkonen the heaviest - heck thats a way out opinion in my opinion, I think we'll be surprised!

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:51

Originally posted by FA and RK fan
Buttons q2 more than 1,2 s faster than his q3 run.. Eiter he had promblems in q3 or they were just hiding their speed again. Hope he wins tomorrow.



sorry, f.ked up, i meant q2 and q1 Although it could be fuel too.


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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:51

Originally posted by FA and RK fan
Buttons q2 more than 1,2 s faster than his q3 run.. Eiter he had promblems in q3 or they were just hiding their speed again. Hope he wins tomorrow.



sorry, f.ked up, i meant q2 and q1 Although it could be fuel too.

Ok then.
Tires. ;)

#37 wonk123

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:51

Originally posted by FA and RK fan
Buttons q2 more than 1,2 s faster than his q3 run.. Eiter he had promblems in q3 or they were just hiding their speed again. Hope he wins tomorrow.



sorry, f.ked up, i meant q2 and q1 Although it could be fuel too.


Sandbagging! All weekend until the time comes to get P1
and tomorrow will pull 4 or 5 seconds on second place in the first 3 laps the hold it there.
Or was that last week

#38 race addicted

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:52

Originally posted by Anomnader


I don't know if thats reliable enough to guess fuel load.

I think he'll be 4 or 5th lightest again

remember he had kers switched off and still carrying the weight.


They were very competitive on longer stints, and Q3 is, as you know, done on race fuel. Relatively speaking, they've made a better impression here than in Melbourne, which is why I assume Räikkönen isn't among the lightest. But I've been wrong earlier today so I'm prepared to be proven wrong again tomorrow :)

...I noticed he didn't use KERS. Why not?

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:53

Biggest surprise was Toyota I think. They were very quick in Melbourne (considering the fuel) and went below the radar in practices unlike Ferrari, Williams and RBR.

Look at the results for Q3, with all the double diffusers teams at the top, except Vettel.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:56

Originally posted by race addicted


They were very competitive on longer stints, and Q3 is, as you know, done on race fuel. Relatively speaking, they've made a better impression here than in Melbourne, which is why I assume Räikkönen isn't among the lightest. But I've been wrong earlier today so I'm prepared to be proven wrong again tomorrow :)

...I noticed he didn't use KERS. Why not?


They've not said or I've not heard, maybe incase the electrics catch fire again

Can they take it out for tomorrow or are they stuck with it?


We'll we should know weights in a hours time and all will be reveled

#41 peroa

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:56

At 14.00 CET fuel loads?

#42 magicon

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:57

That Q1 was very exciting. Very crazy.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:58

Brawn, Toyota, Williams, Red Bull :up:
Button :up:

I am a Ferrari fan but I have to admit that I am really enjoying seeing some different teams up at the front. This can only be a positive for F1. Hope the rain holds off and we have a great race tomorrow.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:58

Rumour is that the Toyota´s have gone light on fuel (as we will see later, when the weight list is going to be published).

Still, I expect Trulli to do strong tomorrow, if anything happens to the Brawns or to Rosberg or Webber, something very nice might be on the cards... After all, he was 2nd here in 2005 and 4th in 2008.

#45 race addicted

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:59

What do I know, Anomnader, but I fear he's stuck with the system as his car is in parc ferme. So I guess he can't/wont use it in the race either then. :

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McLaren said this would be a tougher circuit for them, but I think they've made a half-solid impression.

#46 Mackey

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 10:59

Originally posted by HoldenRT

Look at the results for Q3, with all the double diffusers teams at the top, except Vettel.


I think that shows two important things:

1.- DD diffusers give A LOT of advantage. If they are declared legal, then the top teams must develop their version ASAP.

2.- Adrian Newey is still the best.

#47 Anomnader

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:01

Originally posted by race addicted
What do I know, Anomnader, but I fear he's stuck with the system as his car is in parc ferme. So I guess he can't/wont use it in the race either then. :

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McLaren said this would be a tougher circuit for them, but I think they've made a half-solid impression.



Might be harsh, but I'm expecting atleast one Ferrari to retire through some type of failure tomorrow.

And one McLaren will probably hit something again.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:01

I think Button is well fueled, but both Vettel and Barrichello went light in Q3 to minimise their penalties.

Trulli is light too, as is Rosberg who must have been expecting better of his Q3.

It looks like Glock is heavier than both Trulli and Rosberg.

I suspect Webber and Kubica have roughly the same fuel, but Raikkenen is heavier and Alonso must be fueled for a moon-shot! (based on Q2-Q3 difference.)

Strange (and unlikely) as it may seem, RedBull may actually have got Webber's strategy right!

If my rough calculations are correct (based on long-runs in practice, fuel levels and barring any incidents) Webber could potentially be in third or even second after the first round of pit-stops.

Let's hope all the drivers have a clean and incident-free race.

Good luck to them all...

#49 SchuOz

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:02

My weight predictions....


Trulli
Rosberg
Glock
Kubica
Vettel
Webber
Kimi
Button
Barrichello
Alonso

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 11:03

It's fortunate the red bulls would have the most problem using the uberfusers. Otherwise gg.

BTW, compare to last years quali. So much faster.

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