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#1 paulogman

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 02:03

now that brawn is succesful without benneton, schumacher or ferrari, do you like him now?

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#2 raiseyourfistfor

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 02:11

why would i like him? i'm not a bandwagoner

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 02:21

Yes :clap: :love: :wave: :kiss: :D :smoking: :up:

#4 wepmob2000

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 02:26

Never disliked him in the first place, except that he made the racing boring when he and Schumi were winning endless tedious 'tactical' victories circa 2000-2004.

#5 Lantern

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 02:39

Well.....Flavio doesn't like him as much as when he was with Benetton. :)

#6 alfa1

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 03:12

Originally posted by paulogman
...do you like him now?



But how many wins does it take before people stop seeing the team as as an underdog who made it good, and they become a heartless 'evil empire', in the way that some people here see Ferrari and McLaren?

#7 Nobody

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 06:28

Always hated him - still hate him.

Even when I see Jenson and Rubens and the amazing turn of fortune they've had, I really want to feel happy for them, but then I see that "Brawn" logo and it all fades into drab white with a streak of fluorescent green...

I wish the team luck for the rest of the season, but the sooner they are caught by the rest, the better.

If it helps, as a team I like Brawn GP better than BAR or Honda Racing. Its only the boss I dislike (a lot).

#8 Frixos

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 06:32

Webmob is correct in my eyes.

There was nothing to dislike in the first place.

He knows when to seize an opportunity, by any means necessary.

#9 Beamer

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 06:41

Can't imagine why anybody would dislike Brawn in the first place!!! Whether you're a ferrari fan or not, F1 is (also) an engineering race, and Brawn has proven to be great at that game, first at benneton, then at ferrari, and now at BrawnGP. And not only in F1 btw, remember the Jaguar sportscar anyone?

Anyone saying he dislikes Brawn is probably just bummed out because of the Ferrari dominance when he was running that show, but a good sportsman/sportsfan is also capable of having respect for a worthy advisary, and if anything, Brawn has proven over and over again that he is just that! :up:

#10 ForeverF1

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 06:49

Originally posted by Beamer
Can't imagine why anybody would dislike Brawn in the first place!!! Whether you're a ferrari fan or not, F1 is (also) an engineering race, and Brawn has proven to be great at that game, first at benneton, then at ferrari, and now at BrawnGP. And not only in F1 btw, remember the Jaguar sportscar anyone?

Anyone saying he dislikes Brawn is probably just bummed out because of the Ferrari dominance when he was running that show, but a good sportsman/sportsfan is also capable of having respect for a worthy advisary, and if anything, Brawn has proven over and over again that he is just that! :up:


Totally agree. :up:

#11 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 06:58

It has been very funny watching the Brawn love-in. If this was Ferrari people would be complaining about the 'interpretation' of the diffuser regs, the way they handled the protests, their relative disdain for the complaints of other teams, the car advantage, etc, et al. But take away his banana and red pajamas and suddenly everyone has a crush.

(That all said, I've never had a problem with him or his methods)

#12 Madras

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 07:06

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
It has been very funny watching the Brawn love-in. If this was Ferrari people would be complaining about the 'interpretation' of the diffuser regs, the way they handled the protests, their relative disdain for the complaints of other teams, the car advantage, etc, et al. But take away his banana and red pajamas and suddenly everyone has a crush.

(That all said, I've never had a problem with him or his methods)


It just shows people's irrational hatred towards Ferrari more than anything.

#13 ForeverF1

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 07:11

Originally posted by Madras


It just shows people's irrational hatred towards Ferrari more than anything.


"Hatred" of another team is always irrational. :)

#14 Madras

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 07:12

Originally posted by ForeverF1


"Hatred" of another team is always irrational. :)


Not really.

#15 ForeverF1

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 07:19

Originally posted by Madras


Not really.


So, which team do you hate and why do you hate that team, what has that team inflicted upon you that makes you hate them?

Is it the personnel or the ethos of this team or teams that you hate ?

#16 Mika Mika

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 07:23

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
It has been very funny watching the Brawn love-in. If this was Ferrari people would be complaining about the 'interpretation' of the diffuser regs, the way they handled the protests, their relative disdain for the complaints of other teams, the car advantage, etc, et al. But take away his banana and red pajamas and suddenly everyone has a crush.

(That all said, I've never had a problem with him or his methods)


People are complaining about the 'interpretation' of the diffuser regs and the car advantage!!!

#17 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 08:26

Never disliked him, just wanted him to GTFO during the Ferrari domination. There's no denying his talent and that's to be admired, but I hope he doesn't turn Brawn into Ferrari mark II (unlikely but who knows).

#18 AFCA

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 08:59

I think there are only a few that dislike Ross, he's simply a very kind man.

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 09:14

Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback
Never disliked him, just wanted him to GTFO during the Ferrari domination. There's no denying his talent and that's to be admired, but I hope he doesn't turn Brawn into Ferrari mark II (unlikely but who knows).


Pace-wise he turned already the Brawn into Ferrari mark II (aka F2004 or F2002, though maybe not completety that level of dominance [yet]).

What we need to see is what the stickers (sponsors) will do to his team, but I simply can't see them becoming a corporate team like Mclaren/Ferrari any soon.

And I always liked him, too bad [for Ferrari] he doesn't help out Ferrari anymore.

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#20 Arion

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 09:15

I've never disliked him, I'm now simply in awe of him.

#21 KiloWatt

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 09:46

Any car that drives with a Mercedes engine is in my good books. So if they had been last or first, is immaterial. I therefore have the luxury of supporting 3 teams this year! And one of them is winning! Not the one I had expected, but still...

#22 Galko877

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 09:49

Originally posted by paulogman
now that brawn is succesful without benneton, schumacher or ferrari, do you like him now?


I still like him despite of leaving Ferrari. ;)

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 09:59

I don't know him so I can't like, dislike, hate, love, resent etc.

He was hugely successful at Jaguar, Benetton and Ferrari and while many people wondered whether he could be successful at Honda I think we're now seeing the question answered. He's clearly a major force to be reckoned with in the paddock. I'm glad he turned his hand to what looked like a no-hope team because it's just cemented his reputation.

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 10:03

Originally posted by Buttoneer
I don't know him so I can't like, dislike, hate, love, resent etc.

He was hugely successful at Jaguar, Benetton and Ferrari and while many people wondered whether he could be successful at Honda I think we're now seeing the question answered. He's clearly a major force to be reckoned with in the paddock. I'm glad he turned his hand to what looked like a no-hope team because it's just cemented his reputation.


:up:

#25 wrighty

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 10:10

Originally posted by Madras


Not really.


of course it is......if anything, the only people who have a right to 'hate' another team are the personnel at their rivals, we're all 'just' fans. Let's face facts, even when Schumacher won another dull race for Ferrari in controversial circumstances, whether they were ethical (driving standards) or technical, the sun still rose didn't it?.....it's 'only' motor racing in the end, it's not the end of the world for goodness sake......so therefore, 'hatred' of another team is by definition 'irrational' ;)

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 10:21

Originally posted by wrighty

'hatred' of another team is by definition 'irrational' ;)


by defenition, love and passion is also irrational

#27 wrighty

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 10:27

Originally posted by Nobody


by defenition, love and passion is also irrational


true, but they have the potential to be life-changing.....i can't (speaking personally) say the same for watching motor racing lol

#28 Montoya1

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 10:37

Originally posted by Nobody
Always hated him - still hate him.


Why?

#29 Boing 2

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 10:38

Originally posted by wrighty


true, but they have the potential to be life-changing.....i can't (speaking personally) say the same for watching motor racing lol


if you beleive the legend, a spider spinning a web changed the destiny of a nation. Anything can change your life if you're open to it.

#30 Phucaigh

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 10:50

I'm just looking forward to a non Brawn team winning, Ross Brawn had the most time to develop his 2009 car, the rest will eventually catch up.
I'm neutral on the man.

#31 Nobody

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 10:52

Originally posted by Montoya1


Why?


I guess I can't answer that rationally, but I'll try.

Don't get me wrong, there is absolutely no doubt the guys is brilliant, his achievements in the sport speak for themselves, but maybe his time alongside Schumacher and the incredible arrogance those two combined seemed to portray for a long time, their somewhat disregard for certain elements of good sportsmanship (in certain situations) has left me with a very bitter aftertaste which re-appears everytime I see his disgruntled demure (win or lose).

I view Brawn like many view Ron Dennis, someone I love to hate. Dare I say I have a lot more respect for RB than many others have for the old Ronster!

#32 Montoya1

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 10:55

That is actually a lucid and valid point of view, but perchance better not to use the word hate? It is such an emotive word, better to say dislike in my book

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 11:03

You're right, hate is a strong word. I guess I dislike him a lot.

Either way, some would argue love or hate - I know of him, I have an opinion, I'm talking about him. I react to him.

Any publicity is good publicity, whatever you're noticed for, its worse not to be noticed at all.

The worst feeling is indifference.

#34 UPRC

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 11:19

I've always liked Brawn. During the Shumacher period, he was probably one of only two faces that I liked at Ferrari, the other being Barrichello.

I'm very happy for him and I've certainly become a big Brawn fan because of all that has happened lately.

#35 Owen

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 11:23

Brawn has done something incredible. He's made F1 look very easy. We all know it patently isn't but he has made it look easy. Hats off to him.

#36 wrighty

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 11:48

Originally posted by Boing 2


if you beleive the legend, a spider spinning a web changed the destiny of a nation. Anything can change your life if you're open to it.


very true (and sorry for continuing this philosophical debate in the pigpen lol) but if you're prepared to have your life changed by such an event, you're probably open-minded enough to not let your life be ruled by (as a random example) ferrari's pit strategy ;)

anyway, hats off to Ross and the team, i've always liked his 'relaxed' attitude to the sport.....i tend to think he never hated anyone tbh :up:

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 11:52

Brawn was on camera dragging a pile of tyres from the pitlane to the cars when they were stationary after the red flag. What's not to like and respect about a guy who mucks in at every level, and excels at doing so?

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 12:00

Originally posted by Buttoneer
Brawn was on camera dragging a pile of tyres from the pitlane to the cars when they were stationary after the red flag. What's not to like and respect about a guy who mucks in at every level, and excels at doing so?


Was this on the TV feed? Does anyone have a video clip or photo? I don't dispute what you're saying, just think it would be a great image (for the reason you stated) and I'd like to see it!

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 12:05

Originally posted by RedBaron


Was this on the TV feed?

Yes it was on the TV feed and the commentators made particular mention of it too, though I was listening to both Ant & David as well as Jonathan and Martin so could have been any of them (but most probably Ant and David). I switched to the TV feed as soon as Jake and the mob started to appear on screen.

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 12:07

Originally posted by Buttoneer
Brawn was on camera dragging a pile of tyres from the pitlane to the cars when they were stationary after the red flag. What's not to like and respect about a guy who mucks in at every level, and excels at doing so?


Yep, great spot. :up: Compare this to Briatore, who probably doesn't even know what wet tyres are.

#41 ForMules

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 13:08

Originally posted by Beamer
Can't imagine why anybody would dislike Brawn in the first place!!! Whether you're a ferrari fan or not, F1 is (also) an engineering race, and Brawn has proven to be great at that game, first at benneton, then at ferrari, and now at BrawnGP. And not only in F1 btw, remember the Jaguar sportscar anyone?

Anyone saying he dislikes Brawn is probably just bummed out because of the Ferrari dominance when he was running that show, but a good sportsman/sportsfan is also capable of having respect for a worthy advisary, and if anything, Brawn has proven over and over again that he is just that! :up:


can say this about Flavio, Gazza or Jean Tod, Brawn weren't a masterpiece in the chess as Byrne was!

turning over rules on diffusers and getting edge of no runing the complexity of KERS mean nothing, in 2008 Brawn effect never came, even with a hug budget, so Brawn has no credit for me! jsut another tech from ex "successfull" teams that runs his own, Newey has more credit for me as "masterpeice"

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Posted 06 April 2009 - 13:13

It's the usual nonsense of focusing on inviduals. If anything Ross was lucky when he joined Honda, he didn't have to make a lot of changes, they were probably already on their way to being competitive, he hasn't been there long enough to make a huge difference.