Should Ferrari sack Baldiserri?
#1
Posted 06 April 2009 - 19:19
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#2
Posted 06 April 2009 - 19:53
#3
Posted 06 April 2009 - 19:58
It was an unnecessary gamble, true, but still ... it was their only hope of fighting for the race. It didn't pan out so Kimi ended up last.
I guess what I m try to say is they lost precisely because they were trying to be clever. It worked for them in Melbourne (first stint on the ultra softs -> safety car helped), it didn't work this time. Luck has more to do with it than brains ...
#4
Posted 06 April 2009 - 20:00
The last 2 races just were a big mess.
#5
Posted 06 April 2009 - 20:11
#6
Posted 06 April 2009 - 20:36
#7
Posted 06 April 2009 - 20:43
Originally posted by orges
Ok, ferrari sack Baldisseri but are there any other better guyes for Ferrari?
They have MS
#8
Posted 06 April 2009 - 20:46
Originally posted by mursuka80
They have MS
Like he said, are there any better guys than Baldiserri?
Seriously though there must be someone they could bring in.
#9
Posted 06 April 2009 - 20:56
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#10
Posted 06 April 2009 - 21:00
Ferrari will be okay, and no, Ferrari should not sack Baldiserri, that would be lunacy.
#11
Posted 06 April 2009 - 21:15
#12
Posted 07 April 2009 - 03:13
Originally posted by F1 Tor.
Sorry, I want to make sure I understand. They win the constructor's title and come very close to the drivers title last year.
They won WCC last year because they built a better car (credit to the designer team and engineer team) and a better pair of drivers. However it is quite clear that the new management (after Toat and Brawn have stepped down) are below "Ferrari / WCC" standard, which could be seen by the poor tire choice in Silverstone last year and the Malaysia GP, as well as the "pit-shop-traffic-light" event last year ....
#13
Posted 07 April 2009 - 03:51
Originally posted by SB
They won WCC last year because they built a better car (credit to the designer team and engineer team) and a better pair of drivers. However it is quite clear that the new management (after Toat and Brawn have stepped down) are below "Ferrari / WCC" standard, which could be seen by the poor tire choice in Silverstone last year and the Malaysia GP, as well as the "pit-shop-traffic-light" event last year ....
What do you mean? A WCC comes due to ALL of the sectors doing a great job, it wasn't just in designing a fast car, it was how they managed most of the races too, how the drivers managed too, it's never won by one sector alone. They have made many mistakes during these 2 years and now the first 2 races, but they won 2 WCC and 1 WDC and had Massa losing it by one point last season. can we dismiss all that?
#14
Posted 07 April 2009 - 04:05
I think the big mistake of the weekend was been over confident in the qualifying.
#15
Posted 07 April 2009 - 05:14
Time for someone else to win. Keep Ferrari as is for the year.
#16
Posted 07 April 2009 - 05:38
Did Ross Brawn choose wets? Would he have chosen wets if he was at SF? No
Ross did not choose wets for Jenson when he pitted one lap after Kimi... Kimi had lost 30 sec already by then and he was going to lose 30 sec by every dry lap he was running... and it take less than 30 sec to pit for tyres who the hell was calculating in the Ferrari pitwall
#17
Posted 07 April 2009 - 05:45
#18
Posted 07 April 2009 - 05:49
#19
Posted 07 April 2009 - 06:36
Whomever was calculating was not using a proper calculator. Or was not watching the same Google powered weather report that everyone else was using.
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#20
Posted 07 April 2009 - 09:08
That's true but it's a 1'38 lap and the rain in the area goes from zero to waterfall in an instant. On slick tyres there is a 100% solid gold guarantee that Kimi would have gone off. So it's not just about the pit time but also risk management.Originally posted by Tomerell
Ross did not choose wets for Jenson when he pitted one lap after Kimi... Kimi had lost 30 sec already by then and he was going to lose 30 sec by every dry lap he was running... and it take less than 30 sec to pit for tyres who the hell was calculating in the Ferrari pitwall
I think Ferrari made a call which could have made them heroes with one or the other of their cars. They hedged their bets, which maybe shows a slight lack of confidence. But we also don't know how much of the call was from the driver.
#21
Posted 07 April 2009 - 09:10
#22
Posted 07 April 2009 - 09:19
#23
Posted 07 April 2009 - 09:20
#24
Posted 07 April 2009 - 09:35
#25
Posted 07 April 2009 - 09:46
Originally posted by SB
They won WCC last year because they built a better car (credit to the designer team and engineer team) and a better pair of drivers.
A better pair of drivers? Than the ones they have now???
...as well as the "pit-shop-traffic-light" event last year ....
You mean the traffic lights they've been using with no problems for all the pit stops this year?
#26
Posted 07 April 2009 - 09:48
Translation: "I, as a dedicated McLaren fan, fully endorse the continued employment of this fine gentleman who, when it came down to it, made decisions which ensured my team are ahead in the championship despite everything."Originally posted by Owen
Give the guy some support not sack him.
#27
Posted 07 April 2009 - 09:53
#28
Posted 07 April 2009 - 09:57
Originally posted by Szoelloe
Don't know the exact decision hierarchy during the race itsself, but if they HAVE to sack somebody, (which I think they don't), looking at it from the outside they should sack Domenicali first. He should have an impact on every major decision made.
No.
#29
Posted 07 April 2009 - 10:04
Originally posted by Buttoneer
Translation: "I, as a dedicated McLaren fan, fully endorse the continued employment of this fine gentleman who, when it came down to it, made decisions which ensured my team are ahead in the championship despite everything."
Yeh, very good. But the team (using this guy) came within a gnats of winning the WDC last year and comfortably won the WCC. Are you suggesting he's incapable after one dodgy risk taking decision? The more experience he gets the better he will become surely?
#30
Posted 07 April 2009 - 10:05
#31
Posted 07 April 2009 - 10:07
BALDISSERRI - two 's' two 'r'.
#32
Posted 07 April 2009 - 10:16
Nope. My view is up there at post 20.Originally posted by Owen
Are you suggesting he's incapable after one dodgy risk taking decision?
#33
Posted 07 April 2009 - 10:18
Ferrari covered both bases with putting Kimi on full wets, as Felipe still had the option of choosing at that point, and they could have just as easily looked like genius' if they got it right. Kimi wasn't looking like he was going to shake the leader board anyway, so why not try it I say.
Sure it was never going to work, with what we saw and what we know now, but they must have had information telling them it was about to rain and rain heavy... they aren't so pathetically stupid to put Kimi out on those tyres if there is no basis to support the decision whatsoever... are they?? :
Oh and I voted no. Ferrari has bigger problems, that may almost be un-surmountable for this season. I can't for the life of me understand whilst one moment the car looks incredibly quick and then in seemingly more favourable conditions (judging by the other teams gaining pace), they go slower. There is something amiss, surely!!
#34
Posted 07 April 2009 - 10:19
#35
Posted 07 April 2009 - 10:45
#36
Posted 07 April 2009 - 10:53
Originally posted by Buttoneer
Nope. My view is up there at post 20.
Well, we agree then. But my reasons are not as you've suggested. Just for clarity.
#37
Posted 07 April 2009 - 11:13
Didn't think it was - I did put a smilie as a clue...Originally posted by Owen
Well, we agree then. But my reasons are not as you've suggested. Just for clarity.
#38
Posted 07 April 2009 - 11:26
Originally posted by Buttoneer
Didn't think it was - I did put a smilie as a clue...
Sorry, didn't make that connection that you weren't being serious.
#39
Posted 07 April 2009 - 11:31
i dont remember a race that was decided by baldesseri's "genius" strategic input (and i am looking at brawn@ferrari for comparison)
when felipe wins it is because he started from the front and he pushes like a maniac...
all we see at ferrari is errors in qualifying (didnt kimi have a moment last year when he got caught in Q2 or Q3?), the wrong tires and strategies for kimi
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#40
Posted 07 April 2009 - 11:40
#41
Posted 07 April 2009 - 11:43
Originally posted by primer
First Ferrari should stop M. Schumacher from attending the GPs as team guest/employee. He is there for attention whoring, and distracts some team personnel from serious job of racing. Secondly they need to fire Stefano.
To those who are always whining about Schumacher going to GPs and being an attention seeker. His manager told yestarday he has a contractual obligation to attend a certain number of races per season and Ferrari decides to which GPs he has to go.
#42
Posted 07 April 2009 - 11:53
Originally posted by pacwest
Ask yourself this. Did Ross Brawn choose wets? Would he have chosen wets if he was at SF? No.
Time for someone else to win. Keep Ferrari as is for the year.
In the wake of current events it's always easy to forget about the past. I like Ross, but it's not like he never makes mistakes. In fact, in 2003 he made LOTS of mistakes, he was very self-critical about himself after that season. That's when Baldisseri emerged as his possible heir, because often he disagreed with Brawn on strategy and in the hindsight it turned out he was right and not Brawn! Having said that, it's true that Baldisseri hasn't shone since Brawn left the team.
#43
Posted 07 April 2009 - 12:17
Originally posted by primer
First Ferrari should stop M. Schumacher from attending the GPs as team guest/employee. He is there for attention whoring, and distracts some team personnel from serious job of racing. Secondly they need to fire Stefano.
On german sites and in "Motorsport aktuell" MS gets quite a bit of flak and they even hint that he was behind those dodgy decisions.
No idea of the truth behind it, but this is translated from motorsport-total.com:
Question to Stefano Domenicali: Who made the decision to put Räikkönen on wets that early? "I don't want to reveal that in public", he says - and later when questioned about Schumacher he grinned: "I was expecting that question, but I don't want to talk about it, because I also didn't answer the earlier question who put Räikkönen on wets."
#44
Posted 07 April 2009 - 12:19
Originally posted by as65p
On german sites and in "Motorsport aktuell" MS gets quite a bit of flak and they even hint that he was behind those dodgy decisions.
No idea of the truth behind it, but this is translated from motorsport-total.com:
Question to Stefano Domenicali: Who made the decision to put Räikkönen on wets that early? "I don't want to reveal that in public", he says - and later when questioned about Schumacher he grinned: "I was expecting that question, but I don't want to talk about it, because I also didn't answer the earlier question who put Räikkönen on wets."
Weber is saying he doesn't expect Schu's contract to be extended. make of that what you will.
#45
Posted 07 April 2009 - 12:49
Originally posted by Owen
Weber is saying he doesn't expect Schu's contract to be extended. make of that what you will.
Again on motorsport.total.com it reads a bit different (where is your info from?)
There are rumours that MS' contract won't be extended. "Possible. But we'll only start talking in the middle of the year. Let's just wait", says Weber, who can't envisage that the contract would be terminated early. And if the contract won't be extended, "then certainly not because of Malaysia".
So in fact Weber is presented with rumours about contract termination and basically tries to rubbish them, as to be expected.
#46
Posted 07 April 2009 - 12:53
Originally posted by as65p
Again on motorsport.total.com it reads a bit different (where is your info from?)
There are rumours that MS' contract won't be extended. "Possible. But we'll only start talking in the middle of the year. Let's just wait", says Weber, who can't envisage that the contract would be terminated early. And if the contract won't be extended, "then certainly not because of Malaysia".
So in fact Weber is presented with rumours about contract termination and basically tries to rubbish them, as to be expected.
From Autosport.com:
The German also suggested the former world champion's contract with Ferrari was unlikely to be renewed. "His contract with Ferrari ends at the end of the year, but I don't know whether it will be renewed.
"The attack against Schumacher makes no sense. He knows everyone and was in Sepang just by chance. The decisions from the pit wall were taken by the team.
"It's possible that his contract won't be renewed, but there will be a meeting midway through the year, so we'll have to wait.
Ferrari boss Stefano Domenicali refused to speak about Schumacher's situation following the race on Sunday. "This is something we will discuss internally, it is not something that we will discuss outside," he said.
#47
Posted 07 April 2009 - 13:03
Originally posted by Owen
From Autosport.com:
The German also suggested the former world champion's contract with Ferrari was unlikely to be renewed. "His contract with Ferrari ends at the end of the year, but I don't know whether it will be renewed.
Hmm... the leading sentence doesn't really match with the actual quote, I'd say (unlikely vs. dunno).
Oh well, if there's substance to it we'll learn soon enough...
#48
Posted 07 April 2009 - 13:04
Michael Schumacher's manager Willi Weber has labelled as "idiotic" the criticism aimed at the seven-time world champion following the Malaysian Grand Prix.
German and Italia media report that Schumacher, who works as a consultant for the Ferrari team, was the man in charge of making the decision that ruined Kimi Raikkonen's race on Sunday, the Finn switching to extreme weather tyres too early.
Weber said Schumacher had nothing to do with it.
The German also suggested the former world champion's contract with Ferrari was unlikely to be renewed.
"The criticism aimed at Schumacher is totally idiotic," Weber was quoted as saying by Gazzetta dello Sport.
The press needs a scapegoat and what better scapegoat than Michael Schumacher? Even if he had nothing to do with it.
#49
Posted 07 April 2009 - 13:06
This story wouldn`t even come up if his answers weren`t so evasive.
On top of that the MS interview on RTL.
#50
Posted 07 April 2009 - 13:13
Originally posted by Galko877
The press needs a scapegoat and what better scapegoat than Michael Schumacher? Even if he had nothing to do with it.
Yeah, they are the flavour of the season, those scapegoats...
I don't really care frankly. But I can assure you that the german press IS hinting at it all being MS' fault, probably copying stuff from oneanother like everywhere else.
Yet don't provide any real proof, so make of that what you will.
Just to make it clear: I didn't invent it, it's there.