Are F1 Cars Symmetrical?
#1
Posted 07 April 2009 - 17:17
Obviously NASCAR cars are set to turn left, are F1 cars generally set up with a slight advantage to turning in a particular direction depending on key corners on a given circuit?
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#2
Posted 07 April 2009 - 17:20
But generally with settings you are even left to right. Otherwise the car would be really funny under braking.
#3
Posted 07 April 2009 - 17:21
#4
Posted 07 April 2009 - 17:23
The F2004 on the picture below for example, has a chimney on the right side of the car but not on the left:
http://www.autosport...4-08-29T15510-2
#5
Posted 07 April 2009 - 17:25
Originally posted by christoff
During the BBC coverage of the Malaysian GP Ted Kravitz reported that they were putting 4 turns of wing on one side only of Hamilton's car, which got me thinking . . . . .
Obviously NASCAR cars are set to turn left, are F1 cars generally set up with a slight advantage to turning in a particular direction depending on key corners on a given circuit?
Last year at Monza Ferrari used an asymmetrical rear wing http://www.autosport...o.php/id/113928
http://premium.f1-li...8/diapo_164.jpg
#6
Posted 07 April 2009 - 17:30
They usually put water and oil coolers on different sides afaik. At silverstone less cooling was required for the oil (cos it was f'ing freezing)
I know that there might also be asymettrical tyre pressures, but don't quote me on that.
#7
Posted 07 April 2009 - 17:30
#8
Posted 07 April 2009 - 17:30
#9
Posted 07 April 2009 - 17:47
#10
Posted 07 April 2009 - 18:27
#11
Posted 07 April 2009 - 18:33
Also Alain Prost raced with an asymmetrical nose.
#12
Posted 07 April 2009 - 18:43
Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
(...)Also Alain Prost raced with an asymmetrical nose.
hehehe
#13
Posted 07 April 2009 - 18:51
Among other details, I've recently noticed that the frontwing for example is much smaller and positioned much lower than the rear wing. besides that, as i said, it's details, barely visible with the naked eye. Irrelevant actually.
#14
Posted 07 April 2009 - 19:01
Originally posted by denthierry
if you look at it from the side, you'll notice that front-end and back-end of the car are definitely different.
Among other details, I've recently noticed that the frontwing for example is much smaller and positioned much lower than the rear wing. besides that, as i said, it's details, barely visible with the naked eye. Irrelevant actually.
#15
Posted 07 April 2009 - 19:31
Originally posted by denthierry
if you look at it from the side, you'll notice that front-end and back-end of the car are definitely different.
Among other details, I've recently noticed that the frontwing for example is much smaller and positioned much lower than the rear wing. besides that, as i said, it's details, barely visible with the naked eye. Irrelevant actually.
#16
Posted 07 April 2009 - 19:42
Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
Also Alain Prost raced with an asymmetrical nose.
That's one of the funniest one-liners I've heard in recent times.
#17
Posted 07 April 2009 - 19:43
#18
Posted 07 April 2009 - 21:53
#19
Posted 07 April 2009 - 22:04
The most experienced guys remember the times when you could shod the car with different specs of tires left&right as Senna used to do to correct car imbalance.
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#20
Posted 07 April 2009 - 22:15
#21
Posted 07 April 2009 - 23:29
In theory asymmetrical setups are faster; in race simulators which allow them, such as Grand Prix Legends, the faster setups are always asymmetrical.
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Of course in GPL one does not risk to get killed if the car suddenly gets sideways of her own will.
#22
Posted 08 April 2009 - 11:44
Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
Also Alain Prost raced with an asymmetrical nose.
That really is hilarious! Nearly fell off my chair......!
#23
Posted 08 April 2009 - 12:03
Originally posted by 330P4
That really is hilarious! Nearly fell off my chair......!
Me too. Great stuff F1Fanatic.co.uk
#24
Posted 08 April 2009 - 12:05
Here is a classic video...Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
Also Alain Prost raced with an asymmetrical nose.
#25
Posted 08 April 2009 - 13:45
since circuits are never symmetric (can't be, they need to be a close loop) why wouldn't setups be the same?Originally posted by christoff
During the BBC coverage of the Malaysian GP Ted Kravitz reported that they were putting 4 turns of wing on one side only of Hamilton's car, which got me thinking . . . . .
Obviously NASCAR cars are set to turn left, are F1 cars generally set up with a slight advantage to turning in a particular direction depending on key corners on a given circuit?
even drivers' necks are forced more on one side than the other it's pretty obvious the cars are too..
I would find it strange it they would ever use a symmetrical setup
#26
Posted 08 April 2009 - 14:09
8Originally posted by MikeTekRacing
since circuits are never symmetric (can't be, they need to be a close loop)
#27
Posted 08 April 2009 - 16:03
#28
Posted 08 April 2009 - 20:50
Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
On some occasions last year McLaren ran with asymmetrical side pods - they tested them at Silverstone and Hockenheim, I think Hamilton raced with them in the German GP. Here's Kovalainen with them in practice:
Also Alain Prost raced with an asymmetrical nose.
Brilliant!
#29
Posted 08 April 2009 - 22:33
Originally posted by Dmitriy_Guller
The front wheel cambers often seem quite assymetrical to me.
That is generally the way if the circuit is mostly one direction. For example Adelaide you would run higher LHS camber but Surfers Paradise you would run it higher on the RHS. You can also run more than 50% cross weight (RF + LR / Total Weight) to get it to turn right better than left (and help with inside front locking at RH corners).
#30
Posted 08 April 2009 - 22:45
Originally posted by christoff
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Obviously NASCAR cars are set to turn left, are F1 cars generally set up with a slight advantage to turning in a particular direction depending on key corners on a given circuit?
In the past, Indy cars were quite grossly asymetric by design ...
http://www.can-am-ca...518_general.jpg
http://img407.images...5turbinekj3.jpg
But because F1 circuits vary (mostly clockwise, but some anti-clockwise) the basic design/construction is going to be based on equal corner weights left and right side. However, I think you'll find that if something CAN be adjusted, then F1 teams will indeed try to optimise that adjustment for each specific circuit.
#31
Posted 08 April 2009 - 23:30
I am sure F1 teams would be doing this with ballast, and to a lesser extent aero. Pretty sure they are smarter than me
#32
Posted 09 April 2009 - 01:18
#33
Posted 09 April 2009 - 10:47
So which modern F1 circuit demands the most asymmetric setup?
Indy - with the long banked bend? (not strictly current I know..)