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Poll: Italian fans want Alonso & Kubica in Ferrari (148 member(s) have cast votes)

  1. Yes (76 votes [51.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.35%

  2. No (72 votes [48.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.65%

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#51 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 13:39

Originally posted by schuey100

I look at Massa and Kimi. I like them both as drivers and probably, if I knew them, as people. But I don't feel confident that either has that X Factor. That either has the ability to motivate, to bring a team with them, they don't have those leadership qualities needed for the bad times. Sure, if the car is super fast then I'm sure Kimi is a great asset but what if the car is slow. Remember 2005? What a dog of a car yet look at how Ferrari performed.

before choosing drivers by leadership skills..how about choosing the team leaders based on leadership skills?
wouldn't it be really nice if say..stefano or baldiseri were real top class managers?

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 13:40

I'd like Kimi and Felipe until 2011 or whenever their contract finishes :). Than we'll see maybe theres new talent until then

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 15:14

I think Alonso would fall apart (again) when faced with a driver as fast and hard-headed as Kubica in the same team.

Alonso is a great racing driver, but needs to be the undisputed number one, or blowing away an average team mate, to feel comfortable.

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 16:03

Originally posted by MegaManson
Hamilton ......l for Ferrari please


Montezemolo is not stupid, all of his olive-trees will be hit by lightning the same day, before he is hiring Mr. Shamilton.

Originally posted by MegaManson


Hamilton is by far the best driver in F1 and it would really stick 2 fingers up to McLaren by stealing their golden boy from their grasp and also Vettel is an exceptional talent too


Hamilton is no doubt the greatest big-mouth ever entering the F1 as a driver. Enjoy his loyalty, Ron.

#55 potmotr

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 16:07

Originally posted by deedee


Montezemolo is not stupid, all of his olive-trees will be hit by lightning the same day, before he is hiring Mr. Shamilton.


I think Ferrari would take Hamilton over Alonso.

#56 MichaelPM

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 16:14

The only toy throwing is from Ham fans upset that he is the least attractive in the poll so need to vent here.

#57 Mackey

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 16:16

Originally posted by potmotr

Alonso is a great racing driver, but needs to be the undisputed number one, or blowing away an average team mate, to feel comfortable.


Alonso has never asked for number one treatment. Seems the british/german press did their job well as I can see this nonsense repeated in this forum every day.

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 16:16

Originally posted by potmotr


I think Ferrari would take Hamilton over Alonso.


By your own logic, they should take neither of the two.

Hamilton is a great racing driver, but needs to be the undisputed number one, or blowing away an average team mate, to feel comfortable.

:)

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 16:18

I believe the idea is that Alonso's already been signed. Ferrari would need to fire him before he's even started if Hamilton was suddenly available and seemed like a better prospect. That might be fun.

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 16:25

Originally posted by as65p


By your own logic, they should take neither of the two.

Hamilton is a great racing driver, but needs to be the undisputed number one, or blowing away an average team mate, to feel comfortable.

:)

Which is exactly how the Ferrari works, a supporting driver for the main Diva driver.
That would be perfect.

The problem is Massa is not helping Kimi, as he keeps challenging him.
There is no one at Ferrari to push the Massa massacre button.

Supposing Alonso comes in kimi's place, will Massa give him a rest? No, IMO. So its useless.
Ferrari has to hire somebody like Quick Nick [the new Barri] for Massa's place.
Never won a race, doens't moan, good car developer, good racing speed, good to follow racing strategies.

The problem at Ferrari is not the #1, its the #2. :wave:

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 16:42

Originally posted by Barramut

Which is exactly how the Ferrari works, a supporting driver for the main Diva driver.
That would be perfect.

The problem is Massa is not helping Kimi, as he keeps challenging him.
There is no one at Ferrari to push the Massa massacre button.

Supposing Alonso comes in kimi's place, will Massa give him a rest? No, IMO. So its useless.
Ferrari has to hire somebody like Quick Nick [the new Barri] for Massa's place.
Never won a race, doens't moan, good car developer, good racing speed, good to follow racing strategies.

The problem at Ferrari is not the #1, its the #2. :wave:


My point was only in response to potmotr (you noted that I just replaced Alonso with Hamilton in his sentence?), that the same indications that lead people to believe Alonso can't stand competition inside a team go for Hamilton too. In reality, the only thing we can say with certainty is that Hamilton and Alonso didn't get along in the 2007 McLaren environment. That much is obvious, everything else is really just assumptions.

As for Ferrari, I don't view their policy in the MS era as set in stone forever. For all I see, they simply operate differently these days, with different people in all key positions, and different drivers. I'm not sure about KR, but Massa strikes me as someone who would follow team orders if they were given to him. It's just that modern Ferrari doesn't do that anymore, which is nice to see.

PS: Obviously I'm not talking about orders at seasons end when only one driver is still in the title hunt. That's what every team does, every time.

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 16:49

Originally posted by Barramut


Ferrari has to hire somebody like Quick Nick ...
Never won a race, doens't moan ...


Ehm, Nick Heidfeld is constantly moaning, about everything that suits him best as an excuse. Just listen to his excuses for example last year, where everything was responsible for his failure, except himself.

Heidfeld has a BMW seat in 2009, because Alonso said no and there was no better alternative available at the time.

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 17:25

These italian fans have anything against Alonso and Kubica?

I mean LOL it's not like they would be doing much better than they are at the moment, if at all.....

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 19:12

Vettel + Rosberg for me please.

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 20:17

Originally posted by MikeTekRacing

he finished 0/2 races so far, both on mistakes.
he'll be driving the safety car next year if he doesn't improve this record


:lol: I thought your next sentence was going to be hit the safety car.

#66 Kenaltgr

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Posted 08 April 2009 - 21:13

Originally posted by schuey100


It doesn't matter anyway because the poll is a nonsense. The results will be different on a weekly basis so there's no point in trying to glean any kind of statistical meaning from it.

In any case, Alonso won't accept a driver that has the ability to beat him in the same team and thus, if Ferrari continues it's equal driver policy Alonso won't want to move there anyway.


No, that is Schumacher, who never raced a teammate in his entire managed career. Alonso had a year of being treated as a #2 at McLAren, if he was treated equally with Hamilton he would still be in the team.

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 10:46

it will end their good relations. Alonso expects special treatment and Kubica is too good to be second.
No doubt for me that Kubica & Ferrari means championship in half season.

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 10:57

Originally posted by Phucaigh
They only had 5 option - Alonso, Kubica, Raikkonen, Massa and Hamilton.

Funny thing none of them are in the top 5 when it comes to current WDC places.


Sure.

But anyway as to established "star" & "young/promising" (i.e. not Trulli, Webber or Button (even though Button will win WDC) ) drivers the list should include Vettel AND Rosberg making it a choice of 7 drivers to be realistic.

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 12:18

Originally posted by Leonsito
Vettel + Rosberg for me please.

Yes to that.

#70 jesee

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 12:37

I have heard some comments of Kubica to his engineer when he is driving and the guy doesn't take bull-$hit. He is a very competitive man just like Alonso. If you want a repeat of 2007 well that is what you would get. Alonso cannot be beaten by a team-mate without throwing tantrums, especially with his ego of two-time world champion and i dont think Kubica would nor would i want to see him being given number two.

#71 jeze

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 19:50

If you put Alonso and Kubica in the same team there would be civil war within three months, so I don't think that's a good idea. It'd only spoil their friendship!

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 20:02

3 months is a pretty long time.
;)

#73 Ruf

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:50

Originally posted by BugTomek
Not really, as in the poll you had to vote for two drivers.

I agree with that however I really really doubt that anyone out of those 29k people actually voted Kubica+Alonso.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 21:25

Originally posted by vivian
Get the car sorted first.


If by "car" you mean "team", I agree. Ferrari seem to be reverting to their 80s form of random chaos.

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 03:05

Vettels next seat will be in a chrome mclaren. Schumacher will push for him at Ferrari, but at the same time, Mercedes have wanted a German 'superstar' since they joined companies with mclaren, nick heidfeld was beaten to it by kimi cos he was just plain faster, and now i dont think mercedes will want to let Vettel slip through their fingers. Alonso at Ferrari, Vettel at McLaren and hopefully rosberg gets a decent seat too.

#76 Poltergeistes

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 04:24

Originally posted by peroa
No wonder the Italians vote for Berlsuconi ...
:wave:

:rotfl:
I'm always ighly suspective of that news agency as all of berlus businesses

#77 Poltergeistes

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 04:42

Originally posted by jesee
I have heard some comments of Kubica to his engineer when he is driving and the guy doesn't take bull-$hit. He is a very competitive man just like Alonso. If you want a repeat of 2007 well that is what you would get. Alonso cannot be beaten by a team-mate without throwing tantrums, especially with his ego of two-time world champion and i dont think Kubica would nor would i want to see him being given number two.


Thats the only negative thing i find in alonso, but that said i can only judge from the 2007 problem.

I think a driver of his ability shouldn't find it impossible to work with a teammate that's equaly competitive and equaly fighting for wins. He doesn't need that, he could take care of his own, sure he could also lose, but he is a great driver...

For example how come we don't see kimi and felipe ever in fights? or ever even making remarks that would suggest a problem between them. They keep it pretty simple, each has his own car, equaly capable of wins (or not like this season lol) and they have their engeneers and their mechanics working on each car, they find no problem in sorting who gets the victory during racing itself. isn't this how things are meant to be?

Some drivers needs to find back the most basic things about racing, like back when they started in their go karts, for example, did alonso demand everyone else's kart to be less capable of his so that he could win? i don't think so, and yet here he is, a 2 time world champion, a hell of a driver, if he didn't need that to make it big time, why after he got that championship he felt he is entitled to that?!! I think his past proved that he is capable to win it when he has a more or less equally capable equipment and people, i don't know what ron dennis did to him or promised him... i wish he would return to the good old alonso he was back in the day...

But i don't know if it was alonso or hamilton as well, after all mclaren didn't seem to get somebody to drive for them that would be as competitive and chalenging as hamilton... so we don't know if hamilton is the same case, someone who demands to be the number 1 driver for said team.

This is why i like kimi and felipe now, to me it's the best pair there is, they want to win during races and not in the teams politics. yes they might seem like 2 babes when freaking out over a visor and eating ice cream at the grand prix, but when it comes to actual racing they are men enough to fight each other and everybody else that might be in their way.

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 05:29

Combination is impossible because Alonso won't accept an equal teammate as shown by the Mclaren days.

Personally if i was the Ferrari boss i would make a good proposition for a three year contract with Vettel. His young, talented and after this year ends he will have some good experience after two years of full driver status and one year as a testing driver. It has all the ingredients for a very long relationship.

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 07:21

Originally posted by Poltergeistes

Some drivers needs to find back the most basic things about racing, like back when they started in their go karts, for example, did alonso demand everyone else's kart to be less capable of his so that he could win? i don't think so, and yet here he is, a 2 time world champion, a hell of a driver, if he didn't need that to make it big time, why after he got that championship he felt he is entitled to that?!! .


When on earth did Alonso ever make such a request, or ask for number 1 status? Its amazing to see so all the baseless accusations that were being created by the british media, being recited like they were fact.
It seems if you repeat lies often enough, they become fact to some people. astounding.
All we have is ron dennis's worthless word that Alonso demanded No1 status, a guy who is a proven liar, a boss of a team proven to be utterly dishonest.
I would love for someone to put forward a case supported with facts, showing Alonso's demands for number 1 status in 2007.

Originally posted by Poltergeistes

But i don't know if it was alonso or hamilton as well, after all mclaren didn't seem to get somebody to drive for them that would be as competitive and chalenging as hamilton... so we don't know if hamilton is the same case, someone who demands to be the number 1 driver for said team


You dont know? Didnt Monaco and hungary 2007, plus Heikki's fuel loads in 2008, tell you all you need to know about Hamiltons team demands?

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 11:37

Alonso and Vettel would be awesome

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 11:58

Both are too competitive to be in the same team, especially Kubica's mindset.

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 12:14

Originally posted by Mackey
Alonso has never asked for number one treatment. Seems the british/german press did their job well as I can see this nonsense repeated in this forum every day.


Isn't that what Hungary 2007 was all about?

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 12:20

Originally posted by potmotr


Isn't that what Hungary 2007 was all about?


Hungary was about Hamilton breaking team rules and Alonso retaliating. Sort of like when someone punches you in the face and you punch back. Any man with integrity would react the same.
If Alonso was really interested in black mailing for number 1 status he would have done it much earlier than the hungarian gp when he was behind in the Wc. The story is just british media nonsense.

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 12:36

Originally posted by Decode


Hungary was about Hamilton breaking team rules and Alonso retaliating. Sort of like when someone punches you in the face and you punch back. Any man with integrity would react the same.
If Alonso was really interested in black mailing for number 1 status he would have done it much earlier than the hungarian gp when he was behind in the Wc. The story is just british media nonsense.


I remember one of those intimate interviews lobato usually makes to alonso in which when asked who'd been the person who harmed him the most in his f1 career and alonso replied...THE BRITISH PRESS, all said...

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 14:37

Originally posted by otoelpiloto


I remember one of those intimate interviews lobato usually makes to alonso in which when asked who'd been the person who harmed him the most in his f1 career and alonso replied...THE BRITISH PRESS, all said...


He actually said "some british journalists", not the whole british press. And I couldn't agree more. If Alonso wanted undisputed nº1 status, he could have negotiated it when he was approached by McLaren, from a force position, being the current (then) WDC. He didn't.

Hungary 07 was all about Hamilton breaking an agreement both pilots and the team had, and Alonso taking justice in his own hands when the team didn't immediately react to Hamilton's breaking of the agreement.

Was Alonso's reaction proportionate? Maybe not, but always remember, it was a REACTION to something Hamilton did first.

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 14:42

Originally posted by Korben82


He actually said "some british journalists", not the whole british press. And I couldn't agree more. If Alonso wanted undisputed nº1 status, he could have negotiated it when he was approached by McLaren, from a force position, being the current (then) WDC. He didn't.

Hungary 07 was all about Hamilton breaking an agreement both pilots and the team had, and Alonso taking justice in his own hands when the team didn't immediately react to Hamilton's breaking of the agreement.

Was Alonso's reaction proportionate? Maybe not, but always remember, it was a REACTION to something Hamilton did first.


And as it turns out, an empty threat, but one that motivated RD to call Max and say when FA calls about having emails that says we are cheating, well, he is lieing.....hence the rat-out or be banned edict from MAX

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 22:54

But my point was, after what happened in 2007, do you think fernando alonso will ever take any chances of having that happen again? and if he went to ferrari i think the only competitive driver that i can see pairing up with alonso without the drama would be massa.

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 23:03

I would never put a prima-donna like Alonso with a competitive driver. He needs somebody like piquet....who by the sound of things he is not very happy at the moment with all the attention being given to Alonso...and justifiably so. If Alonso goes to Ferari, give him somebody like Kova, not Vettel or Kubica. That would be another disaster.

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 23:07

Originally posted by Korben82


He actually said "some british journalists", not the whole british press. And I couldn't agree more. If Alonso wanted undisputed nº1 status, he could have negotiated it when he was approached by McLaren, from a force position, being the current (then) WDC. He didn't.

Hungary 07 was all about Hamilton breaking an agreement both pilots and the team had, and Alonso taking justice in his own hands when the team didn't immediately react to Hamilton's breaking of the agreement.

Was Alonso's reaction proportionate? Maybe not, but always remember, it was a REACTION to something Hamilton did first.


This is laughable. When Alonso joined Mclaren, he never thought that Hamilton could be a match for him...thought like in Renault would be another Piquet. Why would as a two time world champion would you ask for number one status when faced with a rookie :rolleyes: That would be stupid and not enhance your reputation. He never expected it therefore no need to ask.

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 23:11

Originally posted by otoelpiloto


I remember one of those intimate interviews lobato usually makes to alonso in which when asked who'd been the person who harmed him the most in his f1 career and alonso replied...THE BRITISH PRESS, all said...


Excuses excuses excuses! To blame the press...are you joking? The driver is responsible for what happens on track together with his team. Why in high heaven would you lay the blame of being beaten on the track by a rookie on the press :rolleyes:

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 23:14

Look here...i like Alonso when he is behind the wheel and i must say 2008 has brought more respect to me for him as a driver. However, i dont like people who are grass. He threatened to grass on his team and that brought lots of pain on Mclaren. In my eyes he is a traitor, but a good driver.

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 00:13

Originally posted by Poltergeistes
But my point was, after what happened in 2007, do you think fernando alonso will ever take any chances of having that happen again?


You keep pushing the idea that what happened at Mclaren only happened because of a tough team mate, when thats just not true.

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 00:15

Originally posted by jesee


Excuses excuses excuses! To blame the press...are you joking? The driver is responsible for what happens on track together with his team. Why in high heaven would you lay the blame of being beaten on the track by a rookie on the press :rolleyes:


Because the lies the press created were the problem, not being beaten on track. Alonso had no problem losing fair and square, and none of the 2007 stemmed from that.

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 00:53

Originally posted by otoelpiloto


I remember one of those intimate interviews lobato usually makes to alonso in which when asked who'd been the person who harmed him the most in his f1 career and alonso replied...THE BRITISH PRESS, all said...


Nah, he said "a British journalist", and it looked like he was talking about Peter Windsor IIRC (was he writing for F1 Racing by then?)

Anyway Alonso didn't exactly complain about the media that much, but about the team's preferences and backing.

As for the Ferrari pairing, well the present combination doesn't look bad but Raikkonen has been looking lost the last 3 years, yes 3, including the year he became WDC and he looked so lost for most of the championship. If not Raikkonen, Alonso would the better team mate for Massa. I don't have any evidence that Kubica would be good for Ferrari and Vettel is still green in my opinion and he needs a couple of seasons to settle. If not Alonso I'd pick Vettel rather than Kubica, but not in the short term.

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 01:00

Originally posted by Decode


You keep pushing the idea that what happened at Mclaren only happened because of a tough team mate, when thats just not true.


I'm raising the possibility, because i was not inside mclaren, all we know including yourself, are reports from the media, lewis hamilton, fernando alonso, ron dennis and other members of the team, everyone tells their side, the same way i can't be positive that it was fernando alonso demanding to be number 1, I also can't be positive that it was lewis hamilton playing everyone agaisnt a 2 time champion... I don't think anyone can know this for sure, Alonso will defend his acts, as will hamilton, and ron and so on, it's only normal.

But I don't think Alonso thought at the begining of 2007 that he would have a handful of a teammate, a rookie, after they kept showing the same pace, things started to happen, and we don't know for sure who started to crack under the pressure of fighting for the championship tittle inside the same team. It's no wonder they could do nothing against Raikkonen, if Massa had done a better job than kimi it would have been him the champion, for sure it wouldn't be Alonso or Hamilton, since they were too busy having to "watch their back" inside their own team.

To me the one to blame is Ron dennis, just like in 89... he was never good at keeping his players from playing dirty against each other.

There was a feeling in the media that the mclaren being a british team was pushing harder for hamilton, a young british driver, and then Alonso offers up money to his side of the team for everytime he comes in front of hamilton, do you see where i'm getting at? nobody there played it clean, nobody!

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 01:25

Originally posted by Poltergeistes

and we don't know for sure who started to crack under the pressure of fighting for the championship tittle inside the same team.


Surely it was the driver who started all the trouble at Monaco and Hungary? The driver who at both moments was on the back foot?
Of course the entire mclaren team and british media will try to twist the truth and blame the spanish enemy but those moments showed pretty clearly which driver cracked and which one was the trouble maker in 2007.

Originally posted by Poltergeistes

There was a feeling in the media that the mclaren being a british team was pushing harder for hamilton, a young british driver, and then Alonso offers up money to his side of the team for everytime he comes in front of hamilton, do you see where i'm getting at? nobody there played it clean, nobody!

Thats just more british media propoganda. Many drivers over the years offer bonus payments to their mechanics, there is nothing dirty about it what so ever, infact its a really really nice thing to do, yet the british twisted it, into something 'dirty'. Whats the suggestion? That Alonso was paying team members to sabotage Hamilton? See when you think, its just nonsense. Another example of Alonso being played out to be the bad guy.

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 02:42

Originally posted by Decode


Surely it was the driver who started all the trouble at Monaco and Hungary? The driver who at both moments was on the back foot?
Of course the entire mclaren team and british media will try to twist the truth and blame the spanish enemy but those moments showed pretty clearly which driver cracked and which one was the trouble maker in 2007.


Thats just more british media propoganda. Many drivers over the years offer bonus payments to their mechanics, there is nothing dirty about it what so ever, infact its a really really nice thing to do, yet the british twisted it, into something 'dirty'. Whats the suggestion? That Alonso was paying team members to sabotage Hamilton? See when you think, its just nonsense. Another example of Alonso being played out to be the bad guy.


My opnion? Hamilton is not that rat as alot of us ferrari fans says, and Alonso is not the bad boy that the british media paints. I'm not saying that they haven't made mistakes, or done things that i personally think they shouldn't have done, but i don't think they are bad boys, I agree with you that the british media basically tried to make alonso look like he was the dirty rat of formula one, and everyone who either knows him, or has worked with him says differently (except for some at mclaren).

I actually think, that in F1 drivers are so determined to win races, and be champions that, now that mclaren isn't run by ron dennis (technically), if mclaren starts playing a better game, and renault doesn't, i wouldn't say Alonso would never join mclaren with hamilton again... that is how formula one is, that's how it has always been.

Senna and prost were enemies for years, i don't think alonson and hamilton's feud even comes close to what those 2 had at one point in their careers, but prost have said many important things, and even senna's family confirmed it, towards the end they became closer.

At one point every sucessful driver in F1 understands that, for better or for worse these are the people that they will be spending their careers, a good part of their lifes with, every other weekend, during most of the year... it's like a family member that you hate things they've done to you, still they are part of the family. I think alot of the "Alonso, hamilton hate" is only something made up by the press, to get attention. they get over things, they may not forget, they will always disagree with each other in regards of what took place in 2007, but that doesn't mean they cant move past that in the future.

#98 moody

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 13:05

..they are the two best drivers in F1

#99 otoelpiloto

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 13:12

Originally posted by jesee


Excuses excuses excuses! To blame the press...are you joking? The driver is responsible for what happens on track together with his team. Why in high heaven would you lay the blame of being beaten on the track by a rookie on the press :rolleyes:


first of all I am not joking, I am simply quoting, and the answer is clear, british press harmed me the most so far in my f1 career...your opinion...I don't care, I only bother what alonso or any other implied say

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#100 otoelpiloto

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Posted 13 April 2009 - 13:16

Originally posted by jesee
I would never put a prima-donna like Alonso with a competitive driver. He needs somebody like piquet....who by the sound of things he is not very happy at the moment with all the attention being given to Alonso...and justifiably so. If Alonso goes to Ferari, give him somebody like Kova, not Vettel or Kubica. That would be another disaster.


as anyone can see of your 2 comments, you're the kind of other alonso basher...alonso needs somebody like piquet? that's why he joined mclaren expecting to race kimi? that's why he never said anything bad about trulli? that's why he never said anything bad about hamilton?

do you see? you read to much british press