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#951 PayasYouRace

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 13:24

 

Yes, but one little addition has to be made: nevertheless, Villeneuve was kinda more consistent. What I mean? Villeneuve didn't have as many "ups and downs" like Hill...

 

For Hill, it was win, win, failure (Nürburg), win, total failure (Barcelona), win, win, technical DNF (not his fault), win, win, failure (Spa), total failure (Monza), kinda failure (Estoril), win.

 

For example, there were too many unexplicable situations where Villeneuve could fight for the win or for podium and Hill had strange results (4th in Nürburg or even only 5th in Spa, though the latter one was at his fourth attempt regarding the WDC), although the car didn't have any technical issues in those races in Nürburg or Spa (at least, as far as I know). If the car had technical issues in those races, nobody woud've the right to complain much about it. But, as I said before, I guess there wasn't any technical issues in Nürburg or Spa. Those were poor results and Villeneuve was a victory contender or at least a podium contender in those races.

 

That's why I say that Villeneuve was more consistent because of the fact that Villeneuve was ALWAYS at least on the podium in 1996 when he didn't have DNFs.

 

Or, another example, Hill was about to have "matchball" in Spa and he couldn't get it. Then he had his first matchball in Monza (and everybody knows what happend), afterwards he had his second matchball in Estoril (he could've won there). At last, in Suzuka he did it at his fourth attempt in mostly more than convincing cars (bar 1994 maybe... that car doesn't stand by far in the same row as the 1993, 1995, 1996 Williams).

 

So, Villeneuve was even in 1996 better than expected.

 

And so I think the Hill > Villeneuve > Frentzen > Hill paradoxon doesn't count.

 

Why?

 

Villeneuve was much closer to Hill (he could've also very well be WDC in 1996 in his first attempt compared to Hill's fourth attempt) but Frentzen who was beaten by Villeneuve wasn't by far as close as Villeneuve regarding "getting the WDC in 1997" and Hill was of course by far not as good as Frentzen getting the contendership of the 1999 WDC (billions of self induced DNFs all over the season in 1999 for Hill).

 

So in general, in WDC-possible seasons Hill beat Villeneuve marginally whereas Frentzen and Hill were beaten extremely in 1997 or 1999. So it is probably more like Villeneuve > Frentzen > Hill.

 

[Sorry once again for the very simple and clumsy grammar or sentence structures.]

 

Well maybe you should have made an effort to find out. At the Nurburgring, Hill's car suffered from some sort of rear end instability, to the point that Patrick Head was checking the car out at a pitstop to try to determine what went wrong. It dropped him to 11th, so recovery to 4th was pretty good. At Spa he didn't have any technical issues, but got caught out with the pits at the safety car. The team told him to stay out and he had to drive slowly through the Bus Stop, then had to make a pitstop later dropping him right down the field to 13th. Again, recovery to 5th is pretty good considering the team made an error.

 

So his season is more like win, win, win, technical issues, win, engine failure, spun off DNF, win, win, technical DNF, win, 2nd, team mistake, crash, 2nd, win.

 

In light of his issues at Spa it's disingenuous to claim he stuffed his chances of "matchball" as you put it. At Monza, Hill, Villeneuve, Schumacher and a host of others made the same mistake with the tyre stacks, so we can't single out Damon for being unlucky with the result of that mistake. Somehow you count it as winning the title at his 4th attempt, even though he couldn't win it at all at Spa. After Estoril, he was 1 point from winning it. As long as Jacques didn't win and he didn't DNF, he would have been champion, and as Murray Walker said, "but he fought!" and won convincingly.

 

In the entire season of 16 races, Jacques beat Damon twice when neither had problems, and was set to beat him only another 2 times: Melbourne, where nobody's experience counted, and Silverstone. In those two races technical issues settled the fight. Jacques' 1996 was impressive for a rookie, but for all his "consistency" he didn't beat Damon that often. Jacques said in Hungary that it was extra special to finally beat Damon while he was still on the race track.

 

But then I know you're never going to pass up an opportunity to put Damon down.



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Posted 08 February 2014 - 17:03

Flashback - Where was Jacques Villeneuve?

 

Four years ago at the opening ceremonies at the Olympics in Vancouver Jacques was helping carry the Olympic flag:

 

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You can see him here lined up third on the grid with Terry Fox's mom in pole position and Donald Sutherland sharing the front row.



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Posted 08 February 2014 - 17:04

Jacques Villeneuve is being considered as one of the drivers for the Mahindra Formula E team.



#954 fastlegs

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 18:48

Jacques Villeneuve is being considered as one of the drivers for the Mahindra Formula E team.

 

I think it would be a win win situation for both JV and Formula E.

 

I also think it would be great to see Ross Braun get involved with Formula E now that he's retired from F1.



#955 PayasYouRace

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 19:09

Flashback - Where was Jacques Villeneuve?

 

Four years ago at the opening ceremonies at the Olympics in Vancouver Jacques was helping carry the Olympic flag:

 

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You can see him here lined up third on the grid with Terry Fox's mom in pole position and Donald Sutherland sharing the front row.

 

I think he's got a good chance of leading into T1.

 

BTW has anyone found Jacques in the Where's Wally? yet?



#956 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 19:23

I think he's got a good chance of leading into T1.

 

BTW has anyone found Jacques in the Where's Wally? yet?

 

 

Jacques the cricket player?  Who knew.



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Posted 08 February 2014 - 19:26

 

BTW has anyone found Jacques in the Where's Wally? yet?

 

I started to look, but then realised its a lot harder than "Where's Wally".

Am I looking for classic 1996 Jacques?

Blondy Jacques?

Purple hair Jacques?

Current shaved head Jacques?

Is he wearing his helmet, or not?

...and so I stopped looking.

 

P.S. To mods, a lot of this thread recently isn't "Where is Jacques Villeneuve", but just another stupid "my favorite driver is better than your crappy favorite driver" pissing contest, and a lot of posts need to be deleted.



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Posted 08 February 2014 - 19:49

 

Is he wearing his helmet, or not?

 

 

He is.



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Posted 13 February 2014 - 12:08

Rallycross! http://www.telegraph...ampionship.html

 

That means if Villeneuve lands a Formula E seat, he will have raced in every championship that ever existed.

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:lol:


Edited by Spillage, 13 February 2014 - 12:08.


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 12:30

Ok. Then Im going to Hell this year. I cannot let this chance slip!

#961 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 12:39



Flashback - Where was Jacques Villeneuve?

 

Four years ago at the opening ceremonies at the Olympics in Vancouver Jacques was helping carry the Olympic flag:

 

D3D319BD7A114FAC71FC1D64885D5.jpg

 

You can see him here lined up third on the grid with Terry Fox's mom in pole position and Donald Sutherland sharing the front row.

 

At first glance of the picture, I thought JV was going to make a cameo appearance in one of the Hunger Games films.



#962 eronrules

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 12:39

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either that peugeot is a monster truck or JV is showing his age  :eek:

 

http://grandprix247....s-championship/

 

“I am really looking forward to entering the rallycross arena with Albatec Racing, With my previous ice-racing experience, I’m excited about driving sideways in a 600bhp, four-wheel-drive Peugeot 208 over the combination of loose and tarmac surfaces, not to mention the jumps. With the added incentive of it being an FIA World Championship, the opportunity was really too good to miss.

 
“We had a very successful test in France. I was very impressed with the quality of the team, particularly on the engineering side – it reminded me of my time in F1. The car is just so responsive, the power is amazing and with 600bhp to play with, who wouldn’t be excited? I was pleasantly surprised by how reactive the car is to any changes, and I’m very much looking forward to getting into the events.”
 


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 16:50

Just hoping we wont get tons of RX 'experts' hanging around now...

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 18:02

Rallycross! http://www.telegraph...ampionship.html
 
Pablo Elizalde ‏@EliGP[/size]  2m
That means if Villeneuve lands a Formula E seat, he will have raced in every championship that ever existed.
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:lol:


Told you all this story a couple of pages ago in this thread. :-/

#965 jonpollak

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 02:37

Nigerian Streaming Club has tendered an offer for broadcast rights

Great to hear unfettered truth on that soppy SkySportsF1 interview !

Our sorry ass world needs MORE JV.
http://www.autosport...t.php/id/112511


Jp

Edited by jonpollak, 14 February 2014 - 04:01.


#966 SophieB

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 08:45

Folks, this thread has long exceeded its initial remit and now that we all know where JV is likely to be, it is being closed. People are of course welcome to open threads to discuss his views etc. In the meantime, I will transfer his comments about F1 into a new thread.