Which team will be next (or last) to fit their car with a DDD package?
#1
Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:09
Force India will be the last? This is bad news for them, having to spend all resources to fit their car with the DDD package.
STR will get its package a few weeks after Red Bull...
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#2
Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:24
#3
Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:24
#4
Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:26
#5
Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:27
Whoever brings DDD implementation first isn't so important - it's important who makes most out of implementation.
#6
Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:28
#7
Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:29
Originally posted by tahadar
i think you'll find that Force India is one of the teams that will easily be able to fit the double diffuser package
Yep, McLaren and Force India appear ready to go with the new diffusers.
#8
Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:31
#9
Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:34
Originally posted by glorius&victorius
Force India will be the last? This is bad news for them, having to spend all resources to fit their car with the DDD package.
Just the opposite mate
STR will be the last one to fit it
#10
Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:47
#11
Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:48
Originally posted by Lopek
RBR and STR will be among the last, if the do it at all - they have suspension in the way.
You are correct, assuming AN tries to design a DD like the BF1.
But this rule has oppend the posibility of all maner of underbody ground effects, using the new defenition of a "hole"
Expect a whole range of new ideas to come out of the teams as they seek to make the most of this ruling.
#12
Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:52
#13
Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:55
Yeh, they said as much at the appeal hearing.Originally posted by Massa_f1
I read on f1-live Reanult have theres ready for china.
#14
Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:58
Ferrari probably in Spain along with BMW.
TBH I think most except the 2 that have their DDDs ready would realistically target Spain for a launch.
#15
Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:59
Last: Ferrari and Toro Rosso
#16
Posted 15 April 2009 - 12:05
With zero testing, how are they going to take such a fundamental design change to a race and get it right first time? It will be a busy Friday.
#17
Posted 15 April 2009 - 12:07
Then Renault, Ferrari, BMW and Red Bull as the last team to introduce DDD.
#18
Posted 15 April 2009 - 12:07
I think they didn't protest because of the engine supply and also because they saw it when it appeared, facepalmed, and realised they had missed a trick. They also have 'spies' in the camp because of various seconded staff members who will have been assured of the legality and who will have seen the rear end of the car when mating the engine to gearbox.
#19
Posted 15 April 2009 - 12:53
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#20
Posted 15 April 2009 - 13:06
#21
Posted 15 April 2009 - 17:32
Ferrari last. (Turkey)
#22
Posted 15 April 2009 - 17:35
Originally posted by metz
Mac and Reno first. (Sepang)
they'll need a time machine first
#23
Posted 15 April 2009 - 17:37
#24
Posted 15 April 2009 - 17:44
Seriously. AMuS reports that McLaren and Renault will be presenting their early DD solution this Sunday at Sepang.Originally posted by metz
They have one....;)
#25
Posted 15 April 2009 - 18:35
Originally posted by metz
Seriously. AMuS reports that McLaren and Renault will be presenting their early DD solution this Sunday at Sepang.
I think you mean Shanghai, Sepang was two weeks ago ;)
#26
Posted 15 April 2009 - 19:24
I just checked, They clearly say Sepang.Originally posted by Mackey
I think you mean Shanghai, Sepang was two weeks ago ;)
I therefore assumed they are testing or doing some kind of demo there.
Maybe someone can help me with the translation of this report dated today:
"Die Frage für die nächsten Wochen lautet somit: Wer baut die beste Kopie? McLaren-Mercedes und Renault wollen schon am Sonntag in Sepang einen neuen Diffusor präsentieren, der allerdings noch nicht die endgültige Lösung darstellt. Zum Europa-Auftakt in vier Wochen wollen auch BMW-Sauber und Force India mit neuen Teilen kommen. Komplizierter wird es bei Ferrari und Red Bull. Hier dauert es nach eigener Aussage jeweils bis zum siebten WM-Lauf in der Türkei (7.6.), bis das komplizierte Heck umgerüstet ist."
edit: Unless, of course, they made a mistake.
#27
Posted 15 April 2009 - 19:45
It doesn't say anything about Sepang the place, the word Sepang means 'separate':Originally posted by metz
"Die Frage für die nächsten Wochen lautet somit: Wer baut die beste Kopie? McLaren-Mercedes und Renault wollen schon am Sonntag in Sepang einen neuen Diffusor präsentieren, der allerdings noch nicht die endgültige Lösung darstellt. Zum Europa-Auftakt in vier Wochen wollen auch BMW-Sauber und Force India mit neuen Teilen kommen. Komplizierter wird es bei Ferrari und Red Bull. Hier dauert es nach eigener Aussage jeweils bis zum siebten WM-Lauf in der Türkei (7.6.), bis das komplizierte Heck umgerüstet ist."
"The question for the next race is who will build the best copy? McLaren Mercedes and Renault will already have a new diffuser, although admittedly not the final version. In Europe in four weeks BMW-Sauber and Force India expect to run their version. There is confusion about Ferrari and Red Bull, they admit theirs may not be ready until Turkey."
#28
Posted 15 April 2009 - 21:36
#29
Posted 15 April 2009 - 22:26
The thing may be a whole different beast.
#30
Posted 15 April 2009 - 22:49
If they really don't understand this, how can they know whether the DD they are working on is legal?
But if they do understand it, they must have been lying to the ICA. And we all know what can happen to liars, don't we?
#31
Posted 15 April 2009 - 23:23
Originally posted by sanjiro
You are correct, assuming AN tries to design a DD like the BF1.
But this rule has oppend the posibility of all maner of underbody ground effects, using the new defenition of a "hole"
Expect a whole range of new ideas to come out of the teams as they seek to make the most of this ruling.
Exactly what I was thinking.
I half expect Newey (who seems more than a little peeved) to come back with some radical design based on this new interpretation. possibly multiple layers and he may even redsign the suspension to mount a long way forward to give even greater scope.
What will happen if RBR turn up with something at Monaco that this loophole has allowed and lap the entire field?
#32
Posted 16 April 2009 - 09:40
A slap on the wrist? Unless you're a McLiar in which case it's a crime against humanity and freedom and the FIA goes to DEFCON 1.Originally posted by anthony says
But if they do understand it, they must have been lying to the ICA. And we all know what can happen to liars, don't we?
#33
Posted 16 April 2009 - 10:17
#34
Posted 16 April 2009 - 10:34
So the question for the next weeks is: Who will make the best copy? McLaren-Mercedes and Renault are going to present a new diffusor already in Sepang on Sunday, although it won't be the final version. At the start of the european season in four weeks also BMW-Sauber and Force India want to present new parts. The situation at Ferrari and Red Bull is more complicated. According to them, redesigning the complete rear will take until the 7th race in Turkey (June 7th).Originally posted by metz
"Die Frage für die nächsten Wochen lautet somit: Wer baut die beste Kopie? McLaren-Mercedes und Renault wollen schon am Sonntag in Sepang einen neuen Diffusor präsentieren, der allerdings noch nicht die endgültige Lösung darstellt. Zum Europa-Auftakt in vier Wochen wollen auch BMW-Sauber und Force India mit neuen Teilen kommen. Komplizierter wird es bei Ferrari und Red Bull. Hier dauert es nach eigener Aussage jeweils bis zum siebten WM-Lauf in der Türkei (7.6.), bis das komplizierte Heck umgerüstet ist."
#35
Posted 16 April 2009 - 11:10
#36
Posted 16 April 2009 - 12:34
BMW's double-diffuser won't be ready until Barcelona next month. "There we will have a new aero package, and I hope the diffuser," said Nick Heidfeld.
#37
Posted 16 April 2009 - 12:39
Thanks Verbal.Originally posted by Verbal
So the question for the next weeks is: Who will make the best copy? McLaren-Mercedes and Renault are going to present a new diffusor already in Sepang on Sunday, although it won't be the final version. At the start of the european season in four weeks also BMW-Sauber and Force India want to present new parts. The situation at Ferrari and Red Bull is more complicated. According to them, redesigning the complete rear will take until the 7th race in Turkey (June 7th).
I think they made a mistake, meaning China, not Sepang.