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#1 Dunc

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:32

1. Moby singing "Lift me up", I like Fleetwood Mac but much preferred this.
2. Louise Goodman, way better than Lee McKenzie.

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#2 The Lonely

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:36

You prefer Louise "can't ask a question just make a statement" Goodman?

I don't miss anything personally.

#3 kar

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:38

Not much really.

The 2003-2005 theme music maybe. Used to get me fired up for the race.

Perhaps, being charitable, James Allen in the pitlane. Tony Jardine as a pundit. (Didn't think I'd say that after he got binned for 2006).

#4 Clatter

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:38

Can't think of anything I miss.

#5 Yellowmc

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:38

The ad-breaks at vital moments in the race. Definitely.

#6 Blythy

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:39

DI Blundell

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:40

Nothing. The beeb is better in every way except where it is the same

#8 Dunc

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:42

Originally posted by Yellowmc
The ad-breaks at vital moments in the race. Definitely.


I actually kind of miss them in qualifying. DC and EJ's chat between sessions is pretty dull IMHO. Mind you, I suppose not having them in the race makes that a price worth paying.

#9 potmotr

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:43

Originally posted by Dunc

2. Louise Goodman, way better than Lee McKenzie.


Are you serious? I thought Goodman was a patsy. And her syrupy "Thanks Jenson/Lewis/David/Giancarlo" after each interview made me sick.

However, I miss how tight the ITV pre-show was.

Each second was accounted for and it made for really pacey television.

I feel that the BBC has too much time on its hands and not enough pre-recorded interviews and (especially) technical features to play.

So as a result they go to their default position of Jake/Coulthard/Eddie Jordan talking at length. Boring IMO.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:44

Nothing...although, irritating as the ad breaks were, it did give you an obvious point to go to the toilet or grab something from the kitchen. On balance I (obviously) prefer no ad breaks, but toilet breaks are now more subjective.

Oh, and James Allen. Well, insofar that it is quite cathartic to be forced to shout "SHUT UP YOU F*CKING C*NT!!!" repeatedly for an hour and a half.

#11 Owen

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:46

Not a damn thing. :clap:

#12 Clatter

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:47

Originally posted by Dunc


I actually kind of miss them in qualifying. DC and EJ's chat between sessions is pretty dull IMHO. Mind you, I suppose not having them in the race makes that a price worth paying.


You do know you can change channel, or look away from the TV if something doesnt interest you?

#13 Slowinfastout

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:48

I liked Eddie Jordan's implication better back in the ITV days..

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:49

nothing at all

#15 kar

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:49

Originally posted by potmotr


Are you serious? I thought Goodman was a patsy. And her syrupy "Thanks Jenson/Lewis/David/Giancarlo" after each interview made me sick.

However, I miss how tight the ITV pre-show was.

Each second was accounted for and it made for really pacey television.

I feel that the BBC has too much time on its hands and not enough pre-recorded interviews and (especially) technical features to play.

So as a result they go to their default position of Jake/Coulthard/Eddie Jordan talking at length. Boring IMO.


Hmmm ITV Pre-show, yeah it was tight and pacy and had a formula.

2007/2008 it went like this

1. Intro to location (always cool)
2. Recap of Lewis' previous race
3. Pundits talking about lewis
4. Talk about FIA screwing Lewis and McLaren
5. Brundle's track guide and how Lewis rules at driving.
6. Fawning, vomit inducing interview with Rider and Lewis
7. Recap of thursday driver 'kettle' interviews
8. James Allen's recap of qually
9. Punditry about Lewis' latest bowel movements, in front of McLaren garage
10. Grid walk and celeb hunting
11. Recap of everything that's happened so far and what it means for Lewis.

From 2003-2006 copy/paste Jenson for Lewis.

#16 engel

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:50

I don't miss much from ITV, I do think the BBC needs to shorten it's buildup though. It kinda drags on too long

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:50

So far, nothing.

#18 Buttoneer

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:50

The Unbreakable James Allen. Legard is terrible.

I also miss Eddie Jordan being completely and utterly absent from the entire show.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:51

Originally posted by Buttoneer
The Unbreakable James Allen. Legard is terrible.

I also miss Eddie Jordan being completely and utterly absent from the entire show.


:rotfl: I think we agree on both.

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#20 Orin

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:51

I'm missing being annoyed so much. The Beeb only have Eddie Jordan, whereas on ITV just about everything was annoying. I miss screeching at the TV. :cry:

#21 MWM

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:55

Originally posted by kar


Hmmm ITV Pre-show, yeah it was tight and pacy and had a formula.

2007/2008 it went like this

1. Intro to location (always cool)
2. Recap of Lewis' previous race
3. Pundits talking about lewis
4. Talk about FIA screwing Lewis and McLaren
5. Brundle's track guide and how Lewis rules at driving.
6. Fawning, vomit inducing interview with Rider and Lewis
7. Recap of thursday driver 'kettle' interviews
8. James Allen's recap of qually
9. Punditry about Lewis' latest bowel movements, in front of McLaren garage
10. Grid walk and celeb hunting
11. Recap of everything that's happened so far and what it means for Lewis.

From 2003-2006 copy/paste Jenson for Lewis.

heh - beautifully summarised! :up:

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:56

Originally posted by kar


:rotfl: I think we agree on both.

Twice in one week scares me. To be fair to Eddie, he has made some interesting comments about the 'team' factor and what the motivation of a team might be as opposed to that of the driver, and in that regard he's a better option than Stoddart. But I've already had enough of 'mememememememememe! LOOK AT ME!!!' constantly. Hope he calms down.

#23 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:56



:drunk: :drunk:

#24 kar

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 14:57

Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback


:drunk: :drunk:


Nah, that had nothing on the swift cover chickens.

#25 potmotr

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:00

Originally posted by kar


Hmmm ITV Pre-show, yeah it was tight and pacy and had a formula.

2007/2008 it went like this

1. Intro to location (always cool)
2. Recap of Lewis' previous race
3. Pundits talking about lewis
4. Talk about FIA screwing Lewis and McLaren
5. Brundle's track guide and how Lewis rules at driving.
6. Fawning, vomit inducing interview with Rider and Lewis
7. Recap of thursday driver 'kettle' interviews
8. James Allen's recap of qually
9. Punditry about Lewis' latest bowel movements, in front of McLaren garage
10. Grid walk and celeb hunting
11. Recap of everything that's happened so far and what it means for Lewis.

From 2003-2006 copy/paste Jenson for Lewis.


Agreed, they did get involved in Lewisteria a bit too much.

This year is appears they're scared to go near him. I don't think I've seen Anthony Hamilton interviewed once.

How ever, from a technical point of view, ITV was much sharper.

BBC's Malaysian Grand Prix build up shows, especially on the Saturday, had incredibly poor production values.

The pre-recorded items are edited really poorly. Quite often the shot they've overlaid over the voice/soundbite doesn't even match what they're talking about.

And compared to the slick ITV pre-recorded features, the BBC's were straight from the 80s (the BMW story's slow walking two-shots along a lake's edge!) while the two cameras involved in the wideshot/tight shot combo with the three pundits kept getting in the way of each other, or would be cut to before the shot was composed.

Plus there is the repetition of shots in the pre-cut items. A massive no no in any television production except for the most important shots.

I was a big critic of ITV's content but you can't fault them technically. The BBC is looking a bit like a bloated state run corporate from a technical standpoint IMO.

#26 Slowinfastout

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:01

Originally posted by Orin
I'm missing being annoyed so much. The Beeb only have Eddie Jordan, whereas on ITV just about everything was annoying. I miss screeching at the TV. :cry:


I personally found it less annoying to have a generally inferior show... with only one blatant flaw (Jordan), it makes it more annoying to me for some reason, as the problem is an easy fix but obviously it won't be adressed...

I found myself genuinely wanting to see DC bitchslap EJ at times... Every time Eddie oppened his mouth during the Sepang rain delay, it was krankly unbearable lol..

:cry: :yawn:

#27 D.M.N.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:03

Originally posted by potmotr
However, I miss how tight the ITV pre-show was.

Each second was accounted for and it made for really pacey television.

I feel that the BBC has too much time on its hands and not enough pre-recorded interviews and (especially) technical features to play.

So as a result they go to their default position of Jake/Coulthard/Eddie Jordan talking at length. Boring IMO.


So, you enjoyed things like this:

Steve: So Mark, how's this track going to affect the McLaren car.
Mark: Oh, Steve, it'll affect the car a lot.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:03

Originally posted by potmotr


Agreed, they did get involved in Lewisteria a bit too much.

This year is appears they're scared to go near him. I don't think I've seen Anthony Hamilton interviewed once.

How ever, from a technical point of view, ITV was much sharper.

BBC's Malaysian Grand Prix build up shows, especially on the Saturday, had incredibly poor production values.

The pre-recorded items are edited really poorly. Quite often the shot they've overlaid over the voice/soundbite doesn't even match what they're talking about.

And compared to the slick ITV pre-recorded features, the BBC's were straight from the 80s (the BMW story's slow walking two-shots along a lake's edge!) while the two cameras involved in the wideshot/tight shot combo with the three pundits kept getting in the way of each other, or would be cut to before the shot was composed.

Plus there is the repetition of shots in the pre-cut items. A massive no no in any television production except for the most important shots.

I was a big critic of ITV's content but you can't fault them technically. The BBC is looking a bit like a bloated state run corporate from a technical standpoint IMO.


Ah I knew I forgot something from ITVs build-up, the obligatory Anthony Hamilton interview - although either Anthony or ITV realised it was getting too much and turned the dial down to 7 and consequently we saw less of Anthony.

You're right about the production values, but that takes time, I think. It's like an F1 car, you get the basics right then you hone, hone, hone. Apart from Eddie Jordan the BBC have gotten it mostly right. Some of us may well prefer Allen to Leggard, think McKenzie is duller than dishwater. But they aren't too bad.

Give em a season and I think it will get much better in terms of spit and polish.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:04

Simon Taylor from 1997

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:06

Originally posted by D.M.N.


So, you enjoyed things like this:

Steve: So Mark, how's this track going to affect the McLaren car.
Mark: Oh, Steve, it'll affect the car a lot.


I think you are missing his point, he's not talking so much about the content of the buildup, but rather the production values.

It's kinda like American Survivor (love it!) versus UK Dirty Dacing - time of your life (accidentally wandered on to the living tv channel one day).

Production values were very, very good with ITV. They aren't quite there with the BBC, but they will get better.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:08

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:09

Originally posted by Dunc
1. Moby singing "Lift me up", I like Fleetwood Mac but much preferred this.
2. Louise Goodman, way better than Lee McKenzie.


Have to disagree on both counts, I thought that music was terrible, such a relief to see the back of it. Lee is a vast improvement too, I was really up to here with Mumsy.

Legard is a waste of space, doesn't know anything apart from what we can all see anyway, stiff delivery and just doesn't contribute to enjoying the race at all. Allen at least knew F1 even if he tried too hard sometimes to be the Murray Walker he wasn't. But how the BBC didn't recruit Toby Moody still upsets me :cry: , like turning down the Beatles IMO.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:11

Originally posted by undersquare
But how the BBC didn't recruit Toby Moody still upsets me :cry: , like turning down the Beatles IMO.


I presume you are talking about MotoGP when you say that? Him and Julian Rider.

#34 potmotr

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:15

Originally posted by D.M.N.


So, you enjoyed things like this:

Steve: So Mark, how's this track going to affect the McLaren car.
Mark: Oh, Steve, it'll affect the car a lot.


Yeah, but those ITV pundit breaks were only ever a minute or so.

A pundit break on BBC in Malaysia ran for seven excruciating minutes.

I was hankering for an ad break that never came!

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:20

Originally posted by D.M.N.


I presume you are talking about MotoGP when you say that? Him and Julian Rider.


Toby started in F1 in fact, and did the historic F1 event at Silverstone last year alongside Murry Walker. He was great. And available, after Eurosport lost MotoGP (before fortunately getting it back as we saw).

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:22

Originally posted by potmotr


Yeah, but those ITV pundit breaks were only ever a minute or so.

A pundit break on BBC in Malaysia ran for seven excruciating minutes.

I was hankering for an ad break that never came!


that's why I think the BBC should cut the buildup a bit. They have an hour uninterrupted, it's both difficult to fill and make interesting. I think they should limit DC/EJ to at most two debates instead of the oh we got some time let's talk to EJ and DC and definitely give Martin an extra 5 mins to do a proper gridwalk, I mean did he make it to row 3 either in Malaysia or Melbourne?

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:22

Nothing at all.

#38 MinT

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:25

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:26

Blundell was a total plank, i could feel my IQ lowering as he spoke.


i don't mind Jordan's idiocy i just wish he could get to the point faster, he should have a mouth based KERS system, only allowed 6.6 seconds of comment per point.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:27

No Eddie "I used to be a team boss" jordan moving every subject into a discussion about him.

He should be either sacked or bound and gagged through every show.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:29

NOTHING. Not a damn thing.

The BBC does nothing worse, and does swathes better. I could not be happier with our new F1 broadcaster.

#42 kar

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:30

Originally posted by Josta
No Eddie "I used to be a team boss" jordan moving every subject into a discussion about him.

He should be either sacked or bound and gagged through every show.


Oh come on Josta, you didn't take that to its logical conclusion... :)

#43 D.M.N.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:31

For those regarding build-up. The hour build-up is only for Asian races, one in Europe the buildup will begin at 12:10/12:15 time.

#44 Owen

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:32

Just read through all the comments. What a legacy they've created... :lol:

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:38

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ITV F1 in 1998....

#46 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:38

Originally posted by engel


that's why I think the BBC should cut the buildup a bit.

Don't watch it then? :stoned:

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:39

I found, to my horror, that 15 or so laps into Malaysia I *really* wanted a wee (too many cups of tea in the buildup). Thank God it rained when it did. The moment the safety car deployed I was off.

So for one moment and one moment only so far this season, I really really really missed the adverts :lol:

#48 CoolFiltered

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:40

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#49 Orin

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:40

Originally posted by Owen
Just read through all the comments. What a legacy they've created... :lol:


:lol:

It must be nice to be appreciated.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 15:41

  • I miss the James Allen and Martin Brundle commentary
  • I miss NOT having to listen to Eddie Jordan
  • I miss NOT having to bear with Jonathan Legard's appaling commentary
  • I miss Martin Brundle's pole position lap guides