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#1 Rogue

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 04:08

I've just read this article: http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/74513

Quoting Briatore "The drivers in our teams have been and are world champions, while the championship is now fought between a driver who was almost retired and another one who is a good guy but a paracarro (Italian saying for being as slow as a milepost at the side of a road),"

I have to say that I find these comments to be disgusting, inaccurate and just down right mean spirited. That aside, while the credibility of the championship can probably be questioned due to the general mismanagement of the FIA and FOM, I think he should probably point his criticism internally to his own team before making public comments like these.

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#2 TristanDaCunha

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 04:11

Does anyone anywhere gave a shit about what Briatore thinks?

#3 toyotaf1

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 04:13

his having a cry because his team is doing crap....i never like Briatore's attitude

#4 BuonoBruttoCattivo

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 04:18

I thought he said para culo, not para carro, or maybe even carro armato.
:o

#5 BiH

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 04:19

the comments make funny headlines but I wonder when will the FIA step in and start fining people for making comments like this other sport leagues like nba, football etc fine people

#6 wepmob2000

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 04:21

Incredible amount of sour grapes from a guy whose (then) team cheated its way to the 1994 WDC, truly this is hypocrisy at its finest.

#7 Ferrari shambles

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 04:21

Thats one bitter and twisted old man.

Good enthusiasum for his team tho - its all over two races in :rolleyes:

#8 mclarensmps

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 04:27

Nelson Piquet? lolololol... the other Formulae don't count!

#9 Little Leaf

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 05:22

That's a bit harsh isn't it? And as for saying Piquet is a world champion, I must have missed that???

I think Flab should stick to the commercial side of the sport, I tend to agree with his comments on that. On the sporting side he clearly can't look at things objectively

#10 Rogue

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 05:23

Originally posted by toyotaf1
his having a cry because his team is doing crap....i never like Briatore's attitude


Too true - he consistently has sour, emotionally charged comments to say about other teams and drivers when he isn't getting his way. I just thought this round from him was particularly nasty.

#11 Lazarus II

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 05:26

Disrepute of F1 ....Flavio must be punished Posted Image

#12 Rogue

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 06:32

Yes, I'm sure he's in for a good spanking :drunk:

#13 bogi

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 06:41

Flavor Flav
http://www.broadcast...1064695_600.jpg

Flavor Flavio
http://farm1.static....73a5cdb94_o.jpg


Spot the difference.

#14 WHITE

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 06:47

Originally posted by Lazarus II
Disrepute of F1 ....Flavio must be punished Posted Image



How many lashes ? :cool:

#15 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 06:49

A guy says something that's in line with what about half the BB thinks/says and is slammed for it. Love it.

#16 Chezrome

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 06:56

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
A guy says something that's in line with what about half the BB thinks/says and is slammed for it. Love it.


Spot the difference Ross.

BB Board: anonymous multilangual group of people who have no hand in F1
Briatore: Head of Renault F1.

That half of the BB here thinks the same as Flavio is a clear indication that they know squad about F1 and motorracing in general. Which is no suprise. That Flavio says things like these (we must think he said it, can't see misquotes here), is an indication his succes as a teammanager must have a suprising background...

#17 Racer Joe

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 06:56

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
A guy says something that's in line with what about half the BB thinks/says and is slammed for it. Love it.


May be it is the other half that is slamming him.

#18 Dalton007

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:08

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
A guy says something that's in line with what about half the BB thinks/says and is slammed for it. Love it.


Pathetic comments from Flavio because he's at the back of the grid. :down: Anyway, I thought Alonso was worth 6 tenths and was able to walk on water? :lol:

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:08

Anyone (outside Bernie and Max) that say anything from the heart in F1 is worth respect. Pity Flavio is such a prick though :)

Did he say anything last time the 'paracarro' fought for the championship? F1 is like this, every once in a while someone comes up with a car that is superior. The others catches up.

But I think Flavios comments say a lot about the direction F1 is in. They do not want to develop no more, they want to do marketing. I guess the road to spec F1 is paved.

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#20 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:15

Originally posted by Dalton007


Pathetic comments from Flavio because he's at the back of the grid. :down: Anyway, I thought Alonso was worth 6 tenths and was able to walk on water? :lol:


I think he'd say the same thing if he was in direct competition with them. Ron Dennis probably would have said a similar thing, but with different words. And people would have criticised Dennis for being bitter. The people on this board read the quotes the way they want to read them to fit their opinion.

#21 K-One

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:36

Sweaty armpits and car developer Alonso are getting what they deserve

Just shut up, roll up your sleeves and get back to work

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:38

Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo
I thought he said para culo, not para carro, or maybe even carro armato.
:o


No speak Italian here... What does "para culo" or 'carro armato' mean?
thx.

#23 Francesc

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:43

Originally posted by Rogue
I've just read this article: http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/74513

Quoting Briatore "The drivers in our teams have been and are world champions


Piquet world champion?? :drunk: He must be talking about Nelson snr.

#24 Haribo

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:44

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
A guy says something that's in line with what about half the BB thinks/says and is slammed for it. Love it.


Does anyone think Button is slow? I don't think he's the best driver, but slow???

#25 Motormedia

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:44

With Flavio trashing this years championship and downplaying his team's chances to catch up, I can't help but wonder when the decision about a pull out is going to be made.

#26 Mika Mika

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:46

Flav is Flav, no-one takes him seriously - even in F1!!!
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/74517

Flavio is a different character. He is a loveable rogue, isn't he? He is a fantastic, flamboyant character who I think doesn't necessarily always have his thumb on the details, but he is very happy to wave his arms and state his case. Again, you have to like Flavio really, but I would not necessarily take too seriously what he is saying not least because I am not aware that anyone in the media has identified or commented on this point before he raised it himself. So he is running around saying, they said this, that and the other, but we are not actually. He is doing it. Flavio is Flavio.

#27 pippin

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:46

I've always disliked Flav, what a loser :mad: and he's always had it in for Jenson, dating back to 2001. Any more comments like that and I'll have a message for him at the British Grand Prix. :p

#28 Dalton007

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:47

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld


I think he'd say the same thing if he was in direct competition with them. Ron Dennis probably would have said a similar thing, but with different words. And people would have criticised Dennis for being bitter. The people on this board read the quotes the way they want to read them to fit their opinion.


Yes, because history proves that Flavio complains and whines about current rules when Alonso is winning. I don't think he'd be making a fuss if the shoe was on the other foot. I suspect he's really annoyed because the team promised Alonso would have a fast car this year and the team are not delivering. I'd love Alonso to be up there fighting with Button for the championship, and that's what Renault should be concentrating on. I'm sure they are.

Sure, a good number of members have an agenda and will misinterpret an opinion, but based on what Flavio has said, I think their opinions are justified. It's pots and kettles.

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:49

Originally posted by Francesc


Piquet world champion?? :drunk: He must be talking about Nelson snr.



he is talking about -teams (mclaren, renault, ferrari)...and drivers wc (hamilton, alonso, raikkonen)...

#30 Matt Somers

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:49

I have to say making derogitory remarks about Jenson and Rubens aint really gonna win him over any new fans. I appreciate where he is coming from but slamming the drivers aint gonna get him any extra friends LOL As for calling Nelshino a World Champion :rotfl:

#31 giltkid

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:57

Fat tw@t in a thong. Nuff said.

#32 MinT

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:00

Think they are preparing a room in the nursing home next to Max and Bernie.

#33 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:01

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
A guy says something that's in line with what about half the BB thinks/says and is slammed for it. Love it.


The results show that Button is the fastest, most consistent, "superstar" driver in F1... always on the limit, super smooth, no mistakes. The simple observation of either conducted race shows that JB is the best driver in the field BASED ON THOSE RACES :) , hardly consistant with Flavio's assessment.

#34 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:09

Wow, two races, neither of which has run uninterrupted. I have no doubts Jenson will be WC, but he didn't suddenly become the best driver in F1

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:11

Wait, Piquet's been a world champion? :rotfl:

#36 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:12

He said teams, as in plural, so I assume he was referring to Renault/McLaren/Ferrari.

#37 Motormedia

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:14

It's way too early to declare Button champion. Brawn happened to hit the road running but are they running fast enough? I dunno. However, it might not be too early to discount Renaults chances to catch up. I think they lack the budget for that to happen.

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:20

Originally posted by Rogue
Quoting Briatore "The drivers in our teams have been and are world champions, while the championship is now fought between a driver who was almost retired and another one who is a good guy but a paracarro (Italian saying for being as slow as a milepost at the side of a road),"

Which one is which?

#39 PNSD

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:23

As Alan put it, Flavio is Flavio.

He has been like this since I remember, and he always will be. Whether you love him or hate him you can not deny that he offers some entertainment value both on the pitwall and whenever he speaks to the press.

tbh, i think the important thing is in no posistion whatsoever to judge Rubens, or Jensons ability.

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#40 Matt Somers

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:26

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Wow, two races, neither of which has run uninterrupted. I have no doubts Jenson will be WC, but he didn't suddenly become the best driver in F1


No he suddendly got a competitive car and Ferrari/McLaren etc gave their drivers the mules he has been dragging around for Honda for years ;)

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:35

falavio is a tit, if he in the situation like brawn all we hear is how dumb everyone else is etc etc.

flavio grow up u little man.

Anyone know if FIA will take action? you can't just get away with comments like that surely?

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:39

"Just when there's talk of setting a budget cap to 30 million, we've spent 15m for KERS and 10m more for the diffusers. We're left with five to travel and to pay the employees."



He may have sour grapes but he makes a good point here.

#43 MichaelJP

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:40

Has to be seen as the sourest of sour grapes.

Like others have said, it happens from time to time in F1 that one team finds a significant loophole in the rules and exploits it. Either you allow that to happen or F1 becomes like NASCAR. Personally I don't want F1 to become NASCAR and Flav is out of order.

Not just Flav either but the teams who lost the appeal should stop moaning and try to get the rules changed so clear decisions on legality are made as soon as winter testing begins.

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:42

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Wow, two races, neither of which has run uninterrupted. I have no doubts Jenson will be WC, but he didn't suddenly become the best driver in F1


So what? It's not like it's always the best driver who wins the WDC. Button wouldn't be the first one.

#45 Clatter

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:43

Originally posted by RedBaron


He may have sour grapes but he makes a good point here.


Well the KERS is an FIA created problem, and Renault would have to spend the rest on improving their car anyway.

#46 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:44

You effectively can't because they aren't official sessions.

That said I reckon now that they have fixed testing they should nominate an 'official test day' either at the last test before the first race or the penultimate test (to give time to test modifications) and run it as an official FIA session with tech inspection and everything. That way you can lodge protests, which is the only way to fix these things. Otherwise the first chance you have available to go through the system is the very first race. Which is why almost every year now we have some squabble over flexing or otherwise out-of-dimension parts.

They could model it after the 'Grand Prix Zero' model MotoGP uses and have an hour long televised session and whoever sets the fastest time gets a prize of some kind.

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:46

After reading Flavio's comments and comparing them to Alonso's (re tyres), I have come to the conclusion that Renault is in the unique position of having a driver who is demonstrably more intelligent than the team boss.

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:46

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
They could model it after the 'Grand Prix Zero' model MotoGP uses and have an hour long televised session and whoever sets the fastest time gets a prize of some kind.


:up: :up: Great Idea.

You win am BMW.

Sadly will never happen - it's far to sensible an Idea...

#49 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:46

I thought Alonso's comments about tires were just as chippy as anything Briatore said :lol:

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:49

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
You effectively can't because they aren't official sessions.

That said I reckon now that they have fixed testing they should nominate an 'official test day' either at the last test before the first race or the penultimate test (to give time to test modifications) and run it as an official FIA session with tech inspection and everything. That way you can lodge protests, which is the only way to fix these things. Otherwise the first chance you have available to go through the system is the very first race. Which is why almost every year now we have some squabble over flexing or otherwise out-of-dimension parts.

They could model it after the 'Grand Prix Zero' model MotoGP uses and have an hour long televised session and whoever sets the fastest time gets a prize of some kind.


I'm not sure any system would get rid of the squabbles unless the whole chassis etc. is frozen, as new parts could be added at any time up to the point of scrutineering.