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#1 D.M.N.

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:32

Brawn :up:
McLaren :up: :up:
Rosberg :up:
Ferrari :down: :down:
BMW :down:

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#2 kosmos

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:35

Renault :down: :down: :down: :down:

#3 stevewf1

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:40

What's happened at BMW?

#4 K-One

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:43

Toyotas bit more back than I expected

Rosberg up there but he will fade away in Q3 as in previous qualis

Red Bulls very strong, will be in top 5 in quali

Mclaren have more pace thanks to interim diffusor

Ferraris where they belong

#5 Danielm

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:43

Originally posted by stevewf1
What's happened at BMW?


They put 300 more sandbags in the car than they needed.... as you know BMW ALLLLLLWAYS sandbags in PF :rolleyes:

#6 Danielm

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:45

Originally posted by K-One
Toyotas bit more back than I expected

Rosberg up there but he will fade away in Q3 as in previous qualis

Red Bulls very strong, will be in top 5 in quali

Mclaren have more pace thanks to interim diffusor

Ferraris where they belong


I think Toyota is ok, at the end when everyone was setting the fast times, they where on the hardtires. Trulli will fight for pole tomorrow.

#7 Francesc

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:45

Toyota looking very good

#8 Matt Somers

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:46

I see RBR and then Toyota as the BGP's biggest problems. I think Nico is a great driver but I think he lacks full GP focus.

#9 4ren

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:51

News seem to suggest that McLaren's two cars are different, referring to Kovalainen's car as 'less evolved' of the two MP4-24s. New diff only for Hamilton?

#10 brabhamBT19

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:52

who ran on supersofts?

and whose best time was on mediums?

#11 fiat124

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:53

Red Bull 4 and 5 in Practice 2 - they are going to fly when they get the diffuser upgrade !! Look out Brawn GP etc !

#12 MinT

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:53

changes to McClaren dont seem to have helped much.

#13 Francesc

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:56

Originally posted by 4ren
News seem to point that McLaren's two cars are different, referring to Kovalainen's car as 'less evolved' of the two MP4-24s. New diff only for Hamilton?


Why Hamilton is using a new steering wheel and Kovalainen not? Anyone know it?

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:57

Originally posted by brabhamBT19
who ran on supersofts?

and whose best time was on mediums?


Seems all the best time were on (super)soft. Those tires are quicker however it looks like could not maintain their best shape after 3/4 of the hot lap like the "Qualifying" tires in lates 80s.

#15 Motormedia

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 07:58

Originally posted by Francesc


Why Hamilton is using a new steering wheel and Kovalainen not? Anyone know it?


The new wheel allows Hamilton to control the pit wall rather than the other way around.

#16 Ferrim

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:01

Originally posted by Francesc


Why Hamilton is using a new steering wheel and Kovalainen not? Anyone know it?


[moronic mode]

Because is a cheater! He's using illegal devices such as TC and LC! And active suspension! McLaren have tampered with the ECU! Chhheeeeeeateeeeeeeeersssssss!!!

[/moronic mode]

I have no idea why one car would have a different wheel than the other...

#17 D.M.N.

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:04

Originally posted by 4ren
News seem to suggest that McLaren's two cars are different, referring to Kovalainen's car as 'less evolved' of the two MP4-24s. New diff only for Hamilton?


On Radio 5 Live they were suggesting that during FP2. Not too surprised considering Hamilton is the team-leader and has won a title.

#18 Fatality

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:12

Originally posted by D.M.N.

Not too surprised considering Hamilton is the team-leader and has won a title.


You mean not surprising considering Heikki is the number 2 driver. He was number 2 even before Lewis won the title so that justification just doesnt work im afraid.

#19 Johnrambo

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:14

Originally posted by 4ren
News seem to suggest that McLaren's two cars are different, referring to Kovalainen's car as 'less evolved' of the two MP4-24s. New diff only for Hamilton?


McLaren modus operandi since 2008 in full effect. :down:

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#20 Motormedia

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:17

Originally posted by Johnrambo


McLaren modus operandi since 2008 in full effect. :down:


Same MO as most teams. It's not always parts are ready for both cars. It's not always new parts turn out to be an advantage. It's not always both drivers need updates to their cars. It's not always things are what they look like.

#21 F1 Truth

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:19

Originally posted by 4ren
News seem to suggest that McLaren's two cars are different, referring to Kovalainen's car as 'less evolved' of the two MP4-24s. New diff only for Hamilton?

From the MP4-24 thread:

Originally posted by toyotaf1
looks like their using a slightly different diffuser on heikki's car....

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Could be just simple comparison work now that the teams have to do their testing on Fridays.

#22 Matt Somers

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:20

Jenson's 1:37.450 was done on the harder tyre, he also had a massive slide he corrected in turn 13 of that lap too :clap:

#23 RiDE

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:21

Originally posted by Motormedia


The new wheel allows Hamilton to control the pit wall rather than the other way around.


:lol:

#24 Kelateboy

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:27

Originally posted by Matt Somers
Jenson's 1:37.450 was done on the harder tyre, he also had a massive slide he corrected in turn 13 of that lap too :clap:

Which means that he could easily go for a 1:36 lap on supersoft and low fuel.

-KB

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:29

Originally posted by F1 Truth

From the MP4-24 thread:

Could be just simple comparison work now that the teams have to do their testing on Fridays.


Thats what I was going to say. It makes perfect sense to have the cars on different programs so that they can see what works best.

#26 Matt Somers

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:33

Originally posted by Kelateboy

Which means that he could easily go for a 1:36 lap on supersoft and low fuel.

-KB


Exactly, Practice sessions will always throw someone in the mix like Lewis in the first session due to where they feed in with fuel and current grip on the circuit enabling a fast time in their current trim, i'm just watching thru the replay of the 1st session now but it appears the Brawns are consistantly putting in good times

#27 Lukin83

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:34

Originally posted by stevewf1
What's happened at BMW?


The same what happened in Australia and Malaysia? They were at the bottom of the timesheets in every friday practice this year. Also, Shanghai seems to be a track that gives even more advantage to the diffusor gang... Ferraris and BMWs are fighting for P8 here. BTW congratulations to Brawn GP for another 1-2.

#28 MWM

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:43

Originally posted by Lukin83


The same what happened in Australia and Malaysia? They were at the bottom of the timesheets in every friday practice this year. Also, Shanghai seems to be a track that gives even more advantage to the diffusor gang... Ferraris and BMWs are fighting for P8 here. BTW congratulations to Brawn GP for another 1-2.

1-3 surely? Rosberg got 2nd in FP2

#29 Lukin83

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:45

Originally posted by MWM

1-3 surely? Rosberg got 2nd in FP2


Sorry, I'm talking about the race already :cat:

#30 RoutariEnjinu

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:50

Originally posted by Fatality


You mean not surprising considering Heikki is the number 2 driver. He was number 2 even before Lewis won the title so that justification just doesnt work im afraid.


Yeah, he should have stayed at Renault....................................................................

#31 Mika Mika

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:52

Originally posted by RoutariEnjinu


Yeah, he should have stayed at Renault....................................................................


HAHAHAHA - At McMerc he's a Number 2 driver, at Renault he'd just be a Number 2 ;)

#32 brabhamBT19

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 09:38

Originally posted by Mika Mika


HAHAHAHA - At McMerc he's a Number 2 driver, at Renault he'd just be a Number 2 ;)


At Renault he would be number 8 :)

#33 J2NH

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 10:14

Surprised a little that the removal of KERS and redistribution of weight in the Ferrari did not seem to help more. I know it's just Friday but good job by Sutil, he might be the real deal.

#34 Scotracer

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 10:25

Mclaren solidly fast (I think they were running race simulations in FP2). :up: :up:
Brawn epic as ever (particularly in S3). :up: :up: :up:
Williams very strong :up: :up:
Red Bull look like the main contenders for Brawn this weekend. :up: :up:
Toyota very strong. :up: :up:
Ferrari...well, thanks for playing? :
BMW...Heidfeld was nowhere and Kubica had ZERO balance :eek:
Force India really look to be moving up in the world :up:
Toro Rosso solid :up:

#35 Cenotaph

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 10:39

McLaren don't really seem that much better... at least, i don't see any point in applauding their efforts and bash Ferrari at the same time

#36 F.M.

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 10:48

Originally posted by Cenotaph
McLaren don't really seem that much better... at least, i don't see any point in applauding their efforts and bash Ferrari at the same time

Indeed, people have to look at stint times and not just at the final list of fastest time. Ferrari stint times were ok

#37 Thanatos

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 11:11

Originally posted by fiat124
Red Bull 4 and 5 in Practice 2 - they are going to fly when they get the diffuser upgrade !! Look out Brawn GP etc !


I agree, if this DD Diffuser really does give you a load of extra performance, then yeah Red Bull will be the dark horse. But they have a different suspension layout, and I've read won't be able to incorporate a DDD?

#38 Raziel

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 11:11

Originally posted by Cenotaph
McLaren don't really seem that much better... at least, i don't see any point in applauding their efforts and bash Ferrari at the same time


Heh you wish! :) We can clearly see that Ferrari was all over the place. Much more damage without KERS, much more.... :)

#39 Keith68

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 11:19

After Flavio opens his gob and insults two of the paddocks nice guy drivers in a totally unjustified way (what harm have Jenson or Rubbens ever done to anyone in F1?) I have to say I'd like to see Jenson win by a country mile and lap both Reanult's at least 3 times each.

If he can fit in a few slow drives through the pits giving Flavio the finger that would be nice too.

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#40 Owen

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 11:20

Race is Brawn's for the taking...

#41 as65p

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 11:22

Originally posted by Keith68
(what harm have Jenson or Rubbens ever done to anyone in F1?


I think that was precisely Flavios point.

#42 D.M.N.

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 11:35

Dunno whether anyone has noticed, but there is a possibilty of rain for Sunday afternoon, thankfully if the rain did come, I doubt it be anything as big as in Malaysia.

http://live.autospor...ntary.php/id/79

Tomorrow, things will change slightly, and there is possibly a sting in the tail on Sunday ...

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All week the weather models have been projecting the timing of the rain, and as new data arrives those forecasts are continually updated. Over recent days, the trend has seen a slight acceleration of the low towards the east coast, meaning the cloud and subsequent rain is now predicted to arrive at the circuit slightly earlier than originally forecast.

The latest prediction for Sunday, at the time of writing, is that the day is set to begin with overcast conditions and rain could occur before the race is complete. Once any rain starts, it will be on for hours, leading to a very wet Sunday evening with as much as 30 millimetres of rainfall predicted.


The race starts at 15:00 local time, so will finish at approx 16:30. I wonder if any teams will "deliberately" leave the super-soft stint till last and hope for rain near the end? That way they won't need to go through the horrible stint.

#43 Atreiu

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 11:41

So, will Button run away with it again?

#44 Francesc

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 12:10

Toyota will win the race

#45 Owen

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 12:13

Originally posted by Atreiu
So, will Button run away with it again?


Would have thought so.

#46 rodlamas

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 12:29

Do we have the link for the complete times???

Thanks.

#47 Phucaigh

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 12:30

http://www.fia.com/e...sion2_times.pdf

It looks a lot closer between the main teams - Brawn, Toyota, Red Bull and Williams.

#48 Phucaigh

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 12:31

Originally posted by rodlamas
Do we have the link for the complete times???

Thanks.


http://www.fia.com/e...sion1_times.pdf
http://www.fia.com/e...sion2_times.pdf

#49 d246

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 12:37

Got to hand it to Red Bull. They're doing a far better job than the other 'established' non-diffuser teams.

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 12:40

Originally posted by D.M.N.
Brawn :up:
McLaren :up: :up:
Rosberg :up:
Ferrari :down: :down:
BMW :down:


Wold be nice to put some times... :rolleyes: