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#1 alg7_munif

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:02

Great pace from Vettel and Alonso.
Good pace from Brawns.
Hamilton ran out of tyre? Perhaps a heavy car?

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#2 F.M.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:03

1. S. Vettel
2. F. Alonso
3. M. Webber
4. R. Barichello
5. J. Button
6. J. Trulli
7. N. Rosberg
8. K. Raikkonen
9. L. Hamilton
10. S. Buemi
11. N. Heidfeld
12. H. Kovalainen
13. F. Massa
14. T. Glock
15. K. Nakajima
16. S. Bourdais
17. N. Piquet
17. R. Kubica
19. A. Sutil
20. G. Fisichella

RBR :up:
Alonso :up:
Brawn :rotfl:
Raikkonen :up:
Buemi :up: :up:

#3 Francesc

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:04

Brawn already falling back??

#4 Gecko

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:04

Vettel is already a legend :up:

#5 pUs

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:04

Awesome qual by both Alonso and Vettel. :up: :up: One great champion and perhaps a future one? Can't wait to see the qual weights. Why didn't Vettel do more laps than he did? He spent more time in the pits than anybody else, makes his final result even more impressive.

#6 leomax

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:05

Redbull :eek:
Renault power top3!!!

#7 lokiman

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:05

Piquet's got some explaining to do after that.......

#8 mkay

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:05

Vettel and Alonso on fumes.
Webber is light.
Hamilton, Buemi and Raikkonen are heavy.

#9 mumu37

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:05

Wow! Vettel!!!! Alonso!!!!


But i'm still hoping Kimi will do better tomorrow!

#10 Dooly Tilly

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:06

The two best drivers in F1 are 1-2 on the grid. Great stuff. :up:

#11 alg7_munif

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:06

Maybe the Brawns are heavy, if that is the case then the race could easily their. Alonso might be light since his Q2 and Q1 pace is not that fast.

#12 F.M.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:06

Raikkonen the only one in the top then without a special diffuser

#13 pUs

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:07

I don't think the redbull cars are that light. They seem to have found some serious pace.

#14 F.M.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:07

Originally posted by lokiman
Piquet's got some explaining to do after that.......

he doesn't have the new diffuser, will that do it?

#15 alg7_munif

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:07

Originally posted by lokiman
Piquet's got some explaining to do after that.......

Alonso got new updates but not Piquet.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:07

Originally posted by F.M.
Raikkonen the only one in the top then without a special diffuser


yes, but guess who's topping the time sheets : a non-ddd car !! :rotfl:

#17 ForMules

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:07

Originally posted by Francesc
Brawn already falling back??



and the season isn't yet finished

let's ferari and mac and bmw working a lil on thier diffusers, Brawn will eat the garbage of the paddock for the rest of the season

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Alonso changing big stuffs on his car with only 6laps of tests, 2th on qualy,

well, i don't think its on light fuel or fume, renault is used to get 20kg fuel more than Razor Braun cars!

#18 niallmckiernan

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:07

Originally posted by F.M.
Raikkonen the only one in the top then without a special diffuser


red bull??

#19 mumu37

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:08

Redbull don't have DD diffuser. Has renault installed one?

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#20 undersquare

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:08

All about when they're going to run the options I guess. Very cool from Vettel though I bet the Brawns are heavy, Lewis too hopefully.

#21 lokiman

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:08

Originally posted by F.M.

he doesn't have the new diffuser, will that do it?


Not to that extent, I daresay.

#22 denthierry

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:08

Originally posted by F.M.
Raikkonen the only one in the top then without a special diffuser


AFAIC the RBRs don't have a special diffuser right? Or have they managed to bolt something on, à la McLaren??

#23 F.M.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:09

Red Bull still has a "different" diffuser ;)

#24 ForMules

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:09

Originally posted by undersquare
All about when they're going to run the options I guess. Very cool from Vettel though I bet the Brawns are heavy, Lewis too hopefully.



all this credit to brawn the cheating team, well! :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:10

Originally posted by lokiman


Not to that extent, I daresay.


can't believe all the fuss about the DDDs and now a non-DDD car making P1 !! Hilarious !
:rolleyes: :lol:

#26 pUs

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:10

Alonso must be pretty light though. Either that, or he totally f*d up Q2. There is only like half a second separating his Q2 and his Q3 laps

#27 tahadar

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:10

so who is gettin the penalty for screwing over kovalainen?

#28 K-One

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:11

Originally posted by ForMules



all this credit to brawn the cheating team, well! :rotfl: :rotfl:


Renault is a cheater team as well

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:11

My god!! vettel p1!! yeah, i was woried about him when he didn't go at the first 15 minuts of Q2 and the last 10 minuts of Q3!! i was really worried.

They ARE light, but not on fumes, RBR is realy getting its space

#30 Flexa

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:12

Originally posted by tahadar
so who is gettin the penalty for screwing over kovalainen?


Vettel it seems.

#31 mkay

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:13

Originally posted by pUs
Alonso must be pretty light though. Either that, or he totally f*d up Q2. There is only like half a second separating his Q2 and his Q3 laps


Judging from the look on his face right now (at the press conference), it suggests he is indeed on fumes.

#32 MrAerodynamicist

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:13

I think it was Vettel that blocked Heikki, we could see a Renault starting from the front tomorrow...

#33 morganeryl

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:13

Suprised at Red Bull's pace, Vettel might be in the title hunt if Red Bull can make a DDD soon.

Alonso might be planning to get his softs out of the way asap imo.

#34 Galko877

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:14

When comparing Q2 and Q3 I don't think Vettel is too light. Alonso is more suspect for being very light.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:14

Big question is which RBR was that blocked Kovi on his flying lap in Q2? I think it was Seb, and I would expect that car to get a penalty.

Could be another great headline for F1 with the pollsitter gets penalised by losing his fastest (and only) lap! :rolleyes:

#36 mumu37

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:15

anybody know the weights of each car? thanks

#37 Galko877

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:15

Originally posted by morganeryl


Alonso might be planning to get his softs out of the way asap imo.


Yeah, I think he said 2 days ago that the softs only last for 6 laps. Perphaps they planned a 6-lap first stint for him. ;)

#38 Lada Lover

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:15

Alonso is the best driver in F1. :up:
Vettel :up:
Webber :up:

#39 MrAerodynamicist

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:15

Originally posted by Lopek
Big question is which RBR was that blocked Kovi on his flying lap in Q2? I think it was Seb, and I would expect that car to get a penalty.

I've watched it in slow-mo, and it hard to tell, but it doesn't look like there was any yellow on the helmet. Which would make it Vettel...

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#40 F.M.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:16

Originally posted by mumu37
anybody know the weights of each car? thanks

Yes, all cars weigh 605 kg with the driver in it :p
If you want the race fuel added to this too, you'll have to wait for probably a couple of hours

#41 Flexa

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:16

Well, remember, Vettel getting penalised means Alonso on pole.

#42 Lada Lover

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:17

Originally posted by undersquare
Was it Vettel or Webber who obstructed Kovy, anyone know? I'm expecting a penalty for whoever it was.


More likely Webber and he will be angry because he doesn't know he has a penalty yet.

#43 Lada Lover

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:18

Vettel only made one run. The RB pulled into the pits after the block. Had to be Webber.

#44 mkay

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:18

There will not be any penalty. McLaren will not protest.

#45 undersquare

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:19

Originally posted by Flexa
Well, remember, Vettel getting penalised means Alonso on pole.


Yes, amazing performance. Anyone know the fuel consumption/time adjustment here?

#46 alg7_munif

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:20

Can't wait for a DD diffusor from McLaren and I hope that they will still be around after the WMSC.

Originally posted by mkay
There will not be any penalty. McLaren will not protest.

That doesn't stop the stewards from "investigating" in Australia right?

#47 Fatality

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:20

Alonso is probably very light so he can make his stint of softs very short. Hopefully he isnt crazy light though.
Vettel is looking like the real deal. Beating webber again in qualifying. I think brawn will still win, their race pace is far superior.

#48 F.M.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:21

Originally posted by alg7_munif
Can't wait for a DD diffusor from McLaren and I hope that they will still be around after the WMSC.

They already have a small one ;)

Can't wait for the Ferrari and especially RBR one

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:22

Originally posted by Fatality
I think brawn will still win, their race pace is far superior.


I agree. And I think they are a lot heavier then all of those guys in front of them. I can't wait the fuel loads.

#50 RodrigoL

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:22

Originally posted by Lada Lover
Vettel only made one run. The RB pulled into the pits after the block. Had to be Webber.


It could have been Buemi ??