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#1 Dooly Tilly

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:20

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He won't get away with blocking Kovalainen.

The only question is, 5 place or 10 place grid penalty? :(

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#2 HoldenRT

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:21

Hmm :(

#3 D A

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:21

5 place drop is the standard.

#4 boost

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:22

not good :

#5 roadie

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:22

Was it on an out-lap for HK though?

#6 D A

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:22

Originally posted by roadie
Was it on an out-lap for HK though?


Don't think so.

#7 alg7_munif

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:23

Originally posted by Dooly Tilly
The only question is, 5 place or 10 place grid penalty? :( [/B]

That depends on his answer to the stewards :rotfl:

#8 Anomnader

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:23

I'm not sure anything will happen as I'm not 100% sure McLaren will appeal.

Waits to be proved wrong, just my opinion.

#9 Anomnader

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:23

Originally posted by roadie
Was it on an out-lap for HK though?


Nope his last fast lap.

#10 morganeryl

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:23

oh damn, please let that be an outlap, we've had enough penalties as it is

#11 HoldenRT

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:24

Vettel always tells the truth though. Sometimes to his detriment. :cool:

#12 wingwalker

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:24

Originally posted by roadie
Was it on an out-lap for HK though?



It was an in lap for Vetter, I don't think he will get away with that. Team could and should have radioed him and tell to move off the line and let Kova pass him at the back straight (which Kova expected, judging from the video), there is plenty of space there.

#13 Anomnader

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:24

Can anyone remember when Lewis got hit last year for blocking (with Heikki just in front) did Heikki also get done for blocking?

#14 jesee

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:25

Vettel is now becoming the bad boy of formula 1. He keeps making silly mistakes by being over-enthusiastic. He definately blocked Kova. I feel sorry for Heiki. Anyway since it is Mclaren, the FIA might look the other way or Mclaren might not protest :mad:

#15 wingwalker

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:25

Originally posted by Anomnader
Can anyone remember when Lewis got hit last year for blocking (with Heikki just in front) did Heikki also get done for blocking?


It was in Malaysia and yes, they both got penalized.

#16 alg7_munif

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:26

Originally posted by Anomnader
I'm not sure anything will happen as I'm not 100% sure McLaren will appeal.

Waits to be proved wrong, just my opinion.


That doesn't mean that the stewards won't start their own "investigation" like in Australia. I hope that they will do their job better this time if they are investigating. It is sad to see another driver getting penalised for the incompetency of the stewards.

#17 MrAerodynamicist

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:27

Originally posted by morganeryl
oh damn, please let that be an outlap, we've had enough penalties as it is

Doesn't matter if it's an out lap. Remember the time at Monza when Alonso got a penalty for 'blocking' Massa. He was on an outlap and was urgently trying to cross the line before the flag came out. A hot lap is the only valid excuse.

#18 wingwalker

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:28

It's even more RB's screw up than Vettel's, this is why they have radio and GPS (or whatever system they're using) on the pitwall.

#19 Galko877

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:29

Originally posted by MrAerodynamicist

Doesn't matter if it's an out lap. Remember the time at Monza when Alonso got a penalty for 'blocking' Massa. He was on an outlap and was urgently trying to cross the line before the flag came out. A hot lap is the only valid excuse.


On the other hand Hamilton got no penalty when he was blocking Kimi in Brazil 2007...

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#20 peroa

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:29

Originally posted by Galko877


On the other hand Hamilton got no penalty when he was blocking Kimi in Brazil 2007...


:stoned: :drunk:

#21 F1Fund

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:30

Is that definitely Vettel? Hard to tell from the picture

#22 vsubravet

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:30

If I were the McLaren management I wouldn't go about lodging a complaint. Better steer clear of the stewards and let HK start 12th; heavens are not going to fall. But if the team lodge a complaint I'm sure they're going to get docked off the points or worse still, DQed. :p

#23 LoudHoward

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:31

Looks like the yellow roll over bar, so it's Vettel. Still, he was being blocked by the Williams was he not?

#24 Fudce

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:31

Who is that ahead of Vettel? I wonder if they could be penalised too (it looks almost like a Williams to me, and I can't see a yellow bar, so Rosberg?)

#25 Lazarus II

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:32

Originally posted by D A
5 place drop is the standard.

I think he needs more Posted Image

#26 F1Fund

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:32

Originally posted by LoudHoward
Looks like the yellow roll over bar, so it's Vettel. Still, he was being blocked by the Williams was he not?


Not if Vettel was on an in lap because he can't argue about being held up himself. He should have just got out the way. Tough though because wasn't much space for him to go elsewhere

#27 MrAerodynamicist

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:33

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#28 HoldenRT

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:34

Originally posted by Lazarus II

I think he needs more Posted Image

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#29 wingwalker

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:36

Originally posted by F1Fund


Not if Vettel was on an in lap because he can't argue about being held up himself. He should have just got out the way. Tough though because wasn't much space for him to go elsewhere


There was plenty, Kova was looking everywhere to pass him on the straight (it;s a frame from a video shown on BBC).

#30 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:38

when in q2 did that happen?

#31 Lazarus II

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:38

Vettel's punishment - he must wear his leather leiderhosen and have a private meeting with "Uncle" Max Posted Image

#32 D A

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:40

Originally posted by Gilles4Ever
when in q2 did that happen?


At the end as Vettel only did one lap.

#33 F. Scaramanga

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:42

He canĀ“t lose the pole position. You know... ;)

#34 alg7_munif

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:43

No sign of any investigation yet, these stewards are surely incompetence :mad:

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:44

Originally posted by alg7_munif
No sign of any investigation yet, these stewards are surely incompetence :mad:


That's because the car that may benefit from their ruling could be McLaren ;)

#36 Lazarus II

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:45

Don't McLaren have to actually lodge a complaint for an investigation?

#37 MrAerodynamicist

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:45

Or the media just being slow in reporting events.

#38 Lazarus II

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:47

Originally posted by MrAerodynamicist
Or the media just being slow in reporting events.

That's true. The blood thirsty media can persue it if they feel the need.

#39 jesee

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:49

Originally posted by alg7_munif
No sign of any investigation yet, these stewards are surely incompetence :mad:


Iam not sure McLaren will protest. They stand to gain nothing .....just more negative publicity. In all honesty anyway, i don't think Kova could have done better than where he is at the moment. So i would say let it be, let it be! Iam fed up by the word steward. It has become such a negative word....every time is penalties, bans, lies, cheats, skudthuggery, maxwhips, Charlie somebody.....just don't wanna hear. Let it be, let it be!

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#40 morganeryl

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:49

Originally posted by MrAerodynamicist
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Is just me or does that look like Webber's helmet?

#41 alg7_munif

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:50

Originally posted by Lazarus II
Don't McLaren have to actually lodge a complaint for an investigation?

Like in Australia? Wait, didn't the stewards start an "investigation" on their own and didn't look at all the data first then?

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:51

yellow t-cam = second car number.

14= webber.

15= vettel

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:51

Originally posted by alg7_munif
Like in Australia? Wait, didn't the stewards start an "investigation" on their own and didn't look at all the data first then?


I think a protest from Mclaren is required in this case.

#44 morganeryl

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:52

Originally posted by Flexa
yellow t-cam = second car number.

14= webber.

15= vettel


Thanks for that :up:

#45 Lazarus II

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:53

Originally posted by femi


I think a protest from Mclaren is required in this case.

Didn't the Shanghai stewards take it upon themselves last year with Kova & Hamilton blocking in qual?

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:56

Originally posted by Lazarus II

Didn't the Shanghai stewards take it upon themselves last year with Kova & Hamilton blocking in qual?


I think there was a protest logded by the agrieved team, no?

#47 Lazarus II

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:58

Originally posted by femi


I think there was a protest logded by the agrieved team, no?

I can't remember and it's 3am here so I'll find out tomorrow :wave:

#48 craftverk

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 07:59

He should get a penalty. I hope the stewards don't make any exceptions for everyone's favorite overhyped German driver :up:

It would look silly though, to get pole only to have it taken away, but rules are rules...

#49 lustigson

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 08:00

Originally posted by roadie
Was it on an out-lap for HK though?

I thought Kovalainen was on an outlap, too. He was swerving left and right on the straight.

#50 rolf123

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 08:01

I wonder if it's worth a sneaky punt on Alonso or Webber to lead the first lap, if Vettel will get a penalty. The bookies haven't priced this in yet.....