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#1 The Ragged Edge

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:02

No need for speculation anymore....http://www.fia.com/e...n09_weights.pdf

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#2 sulgpallur

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:14

Hamilton - 679kg
Kovalainen - 697kg*
Massa - 690kg*
Räikkonen - 673.5kg
Kubica - 659kg*
Heidfeld - 679kg
Alonso - 637kg
Piquet - 697.9kg*
Trulli - 664kg
Glock - 652kg*
Bourdais - 690kg*
Buemi - 673kg
Webber - 646.5kg
Vettel - 644kg
Rosberg - 650.5kg
Nakajima - 682.7kg*
Sutil - 648kg*
Fisichella - 679.5kg*
Button - 659kg
Barrichello - 661kg


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#3 bankoq

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:16

Extremely interesting race ahead of us!

#4 EthanM

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:16

So Vettel & Alonso are doing a very short first stint on super softs

Brawns seem to have the more flexible fuel strategy

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:18

As they line-up:


1. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 644
2. Alonso Renault 637
3. Webber Red Bull-Renault 646.5
4. Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 661
5. Button Brawn-Mercedes 659
6. Trulli Toyota 664.5
7. Rosberg Williams-Toyota 650.5
8. Raikkonen Ferrari 673.5
9. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 679
10. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 673
11. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber 679
12. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 697
13. Massa Ferrari 690
14. Glock Toyota 652
15. Nakajima Williams-Toyota 682.7
16. Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari 690
17. Piquet Renault 697.9
18. Kubica BMW-Sauber 659
19. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 648
20. Fisichella Force India-Mercedes 679.5

#6 Timstr11

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:18

Rubens 661
Alonso 637 :
He's going for a three stop apparently.

#7 EthanM

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:19

Originally posted by Timstr11
Rubens 661
Alonso 637 :
He's going for a three stop apparently.


Not necessarily, it's probably like Aus, short stint on the options longer stints on the primes

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:25

Plus in clean air you'd have a better time too.

#9 Timstr11

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:27

Originally posted by EthanM


Not necessarily, it's probably like Aus, short stint on the options longer stints on the primes

The 3 stop strategy is close to the 2 stopping in China, in terms of outcome. Whether it will be a 3 or 2 stop for Alonso depends on how well the car/tyres handle a heavy middle stint.

#10 D.M.N.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:29

Hippo suggested on the other thread that a lap round Shanghai will take about 2.5kg per lap. Based on that, here is the laps which the cars should round-about be pitting on. :)

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Obviously its not 100% accurate, the Brawns obviously won't pit on the same lap, but its just to give a brief idea. :)

#11 djellison

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:30

Not sure if 2.7kg/lap and 0.33s / 10kg is right - but if it is...

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Don't moan about any typos - I can't be bothered :)

#12 The Ragged Edge

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:36

Originally posted by Timstr11
The 3 stop strategy is close to the 2 stopping in China, in terms of outcome. Whether it will be a 3 or 2 stop for Alonso depends on how well the car/tyres handle a heavy middle stint.


It's predicted to rain at the end of the race. So those chosing to run the super-softs at the start, could lose out near the end of the race if everybody has to switch to wets. The drop off according to Bridgestone is no more than 2 seconds a lap. . That will give Raikkonen/Hamilton & Buemi(yes Buemi) a chance to stay close to the Brawns, Rosberg & Trulli, while the front 3 hold the pack up on the super-softs.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:38

Originally posted by D.M.N.
Hippo suggested on the other thread that a lap round Shanghai will take about 2.5kg per lap. Based on that, here is the laps which the cars should round-about be pitting on. :)

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Obviously its not 100% accurate, the Brawns obviously won't pit on the same lap, but its just to give a brief idea. :)

You have to distract 2-3 laps off of them:
-they use fuel when getting to the starting grid
-they use fuel during the warm-up lap
-they carry water for the driver and stuff

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:39

Originally posted by djellison
Not sure if 2.7kg/lap and 0.33s / 10kg is right - but if it is...

Weight	Fuel	Laps (2.7kg/lap)	Time	Fuel Delay (.33s/10kg)	Adjusted Time

Rubens Barrichello	  661	 56			20.7		 96.493	1.848	94.645

Jenson Buton			  659 	 54			20.0		 96.532	1.782	94.750

Jarno Trulli			  664.5	 59.5	22.0		 96.835	1.964	94.872

Seb Vettel			  644		 39			14.4		 96.184	1.287	94.897

Mark Webber			  646.5	 41.5	15.4		 96.466	1.370	95.097

Fernando Alonso 	  637	 32			11.9		 96.381	1.056	95.325

Kimi Raikkonen 	  673.5	 68.5	25.4		 98.089	2.261	95.829

Nico Rosberg			  650.5	 45.5	16.9		 97.397	1.502	95.896

Lewis Hamilton	  679	 74			27.4		 98.595	2.442	96.153

Seb Buemi			  673	 68			25.2		 99.321	2.244	97.077


That could be about right, Brawn still on top and Alonso really mixing it in there. Big gap then after Alonso.
Interesting calculation. :up:



Originally posted by F.M.

You have to distract 2-3 laps off of them:
-they use fuel when getting to the starting grid
-they use fuel during the warm-up lap
-they carry water for the driver and stuff



I still presume Alonso is going to stop much earlier, as soon as the option tyres show real signs of degradation, so after app. 8 laps, Vettel and Webber will be in after 10 laps, no use to continue much longer on the super softs...

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:41

Its probably comforting for the Jenson & Rubinho that the cars ahead are very very much lighter. And I'd always back Ross Brawn in a strategy game

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:41

Originally posted by F.M.

You have to distract 2-3 laps off of them:
-they use fuel when getting to the starting grid
-they use fuel during the warm-up lap
-they carry water for the driver and stuff


Excatly...

I wander if alonso will pit as early as lap 8 - using the first stint simply to get rid of the softs...

#17 Elliux

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:44

Briatore said this morning that the softer tyre will last approx. 11 laps, so expect Fernando to come in around that lap ;)

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:46

Originally posted by EthanM
Brawns seem to have the more flexible fuel strategy


This is Ross Brawn we're talking about. He usually gets the race strategy right...

#19 primer

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:48

Originally posted by D.M.N.

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Thanks for the table.

Are Heikki and Nelson planning on a one stop? :confused:
Are they so confident (or despondent?) that they will run the latter half of the race on softer tires? Or perhaps an extra short third stint?

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#20 noikeee

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:50

I thought Red Bull was genuinely quicker than Brawn. I'm disappointed. :

Barrichello for the win tomorrow then, nicely done in outqualifying Button with 1 extra lap of fuel.

#21 noikeee

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:52

Originally posted by primer


Thanks for the table.

Are Heikki and Nelson planning on a one stop? :confused:
Are they so confident (or despondent?) that they will run the latter half of the race on softer tires? Or perhaps an extra short third stint?


Either that or they're betting on weird conditions, like a safety car or rain, that would benefit a different strategy.

#22 Hippo

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:52

Originally posted by primer
Are Heikki and Nelson planning on a one stop? :confused:
Are they so confident (or despondent?) that they will run the latter half of the race on softer tires? Or perhaps an extra short third stint?

Well, the forecast predicts at least a rain possibility. So maybe they just want the biggest flexibility available considering their poor starting positions. If the rain starts half way through the race they'll be in an excellent position. Also soft tires wouldn't be needed anymore if there was rain.

#23 djellison

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 10:58

I'm guessing....

10 : Alonso
12 : Vettel
13 : Webber
15: Rosberg
18 : Button
19 : Barrichello
20 : Trulli

Assuming an unspectacular start - it'll start....

SV, FA, MW, RB, JB, JT

Lap 13 and it'll be just

RB, JB, JT....

Laps 13 to 20 will be vital - that's when those three have to put in the laps to get past the lighter front three.

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#24 frankrei

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:02

Here's my interpretation:

Brawn has set the cars up to be kind to the super softs -> kind to the super softs means slower in qualifying, but the possibility for a longer stint on them in the race. They are going to be the only ones of the front runners starting on the hard tires.

The reasoning is simple:

* cars are terrible at the start, but very consistent during the race
* if it rains a lot, you don't have to use the super softs at all
* if it rains a bit, you can stay out on the super softs
* if there is a safety car period any gap that you build up before it will disappear, so zooming away at the front might not work out well for you.

In other words, he's chosen to let his cars get away cleanly with no pressure and then pull away from the field as the guys in front are making their fuel stops. Then he has kept all possible choices open to them: a short stint on the super softs, a long-ish stint on the super softs, not using them at all if it rains late in the race, etc..

Renault simply worked out (total number of laps - 2 * longest stint possible with fuel tank compromised due to KERS) and put that weight into the car. They can now either let Alonso drive for a couple of laps with shot tyres or they can go to a three stopper. Whichever way he goes, he's unlikely to get back out higher than 5th.

Red Bull meanwhile are always going for the pole no matter what. It's a nice position to be in and it's what Adrian Newey's cars are best at.. in the race they are usually nail-bitingly fragile but that has improved recently. They'll be strong.

At the moment, however, it's looking good for the Brawns once again, especially for Rubens who was a bit faster than Jenson despite carrying a bit more fuel. Well done. If they keep out of trouble at the start, they'll be the cars to beat.

Then again, we all know what predictions are good for in F1..

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:03

Originally posted by D.M.N.
Hippo suggested on the other thread that a lap round Shanghai will take about 2.5kg per lap. Based on that, here is the laps which the cars should round-about be pitting on. :)

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Obviously its not 100% accurate, the Brawns obviously won't pit on the same lap, but its just to give a brief idea. :)


Looking at that chart, can we conclude how big some of the tanks are ?

Presuming if your heavy and out of the top 10, you just declare as much fuel as you can carry, the tanks sizes are :-

BMW 74 kg of fuel
FI 74.5
Williams 77.5
Ferrari 85
STR 85
McLaren 92
Renault 92.9

Redbull, Brawn and Toyota are all runnning under their max fuel.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:03

Chinese GP qualifying analysis.

Previous:
Australian GP estimates and comparison with real pitstops
Malaysian GP estimates and comparison

Assumptions:
Fuel consumption: 2.78 kg/lap, 2.55 kg/5 km (Williams preview)
Slow lap (pit to the grid + warm up) fuel consumption: 40 % of normal lap
Q2 starting weight of car w/o fuel + driver + fuel remaining when pitting: 607 kg
Race starting weight of car w/o fuel + driver + fuel remaining when pitting: 610 kg
Average time penalty from Q2-Q3 time differences (2 lowest and 2 highest penalties ignored) : 0.079 s per lap of fuel and 0.028 per kg of fuel

Pit stops.
Driver		Team		  Calc pit lap  Pit lap guess Remaining laps
Alonso		Renault	   8.912		 8			 48
Vettel		Red Bull	  11.430		11			45
Webber		Red Bull	  12.329		12			44
Sutil		 Force India   12.869		12			44
Rosberg	   Williams	  13.768		13			43
Glock		 Toyota		14.308		14			42
Kubica		BMW		   16.826		16			40
Button		Brawn GP	  16.826		16			40
Barrichello   Brawn GP	  17.545		17			39
Trulli		Toyota		18.804		18			38
Buemi		 Toro Rosso	21.862		21			35
Räikkönen	 Ferrari	   22.042		22			34
Hamilton	  McLaren	   24.020		24			32
Heidfeld	  BMW		   24.020		24			32
Fisichella	Force India   24.200		24			32
Nakajima	  Williams	  25.351		25			31
Massa		 Ferrari	   27.977		27			29
Bourdais	  Toro Rosso	27.977		27			29
Kovalainen	McLaren	   30.495		30			26
Piquet		Renault	   30.819		30			26

Fuel corrected qualifying performance.
FC Pos		Pos		   Driver		Team		  Q3-FC		 Q3			Q2			Q1			Gap
1			 4			 Barrichello   Brawn GP	  94.958		96.493		95.503		95.701		
2			 5			 Button		Brawn GP	  95.054		96.532		95.556		95.533		0.096
3			 1			 Vettel		Red Bull	  95.133		96.184		95.130		96.565		0.174
4			 6			 Trulli		Toyota		95.201		96.835		95.645		96.308		0.243
5			 3			 Webber		Red Bull	  95.344		96.466		95.173		95.751		0.385
6			 2			 Alonso		Renault	   95.528		96.381		95.803		96.443		0.570
7			 7			 Rosberg	   Williams	  96.161		97.397		95.809		95.941		1.202
8			 8			 Räikkönen	 Ferrari	   96.199		98.089		95.856		96.137		1.241
9			 9			 Hamilton	  McLaren	   96.549		98.595		95.740		95.776		1.590
10			10			Buemi		 Toro Rosso	97.445		99.321		95.965		96.284		2.487
11			11			Heidfeld	  BMW									   95.975		96.525		0.010
12			12			Kovalainen	McLaren								   96.032		96.646		0.067
13			13			Massa		 Ferrari								   96.033		96.178		0.068
14			14			Glock		 Toyota									96.066		96.364		0.101
15			15			Nakajima	  Williams								  96.193		96.673		0.228
16			16			Bourdais	  Toro Rosso											  96.906		0.233
17			17			Piquet		Renault												 96.908		0.235
18			18			Kubica		BMW													 96.966		0.293
19			19			Sutil		 Force India											 97.669		0.996
20			20			Fisichella	Force India											 97.672		0.999

Driver performance in Q3 compared to team performance in Q2. (Fuel corrected Q3 time minus best time of the team in Q2.)
Driver		Team		  Q3-FC BTQ2
Alonso		Renault	   -0.915
Barrichello   Brawn GP	  -0.545
Button		Brawn GP	  -0.449
Trulli		Toyota		-0.444
Vettel		Red Bull	  0.003
Webber		Red Bull	  0.214
Räikkönen	 Ferrari	   0.343
Rosberg	   Williams	  0.352
Hamilton	  McLaren	   0.809
Buemi		 Toro Rosso	1.480

Teammate battle. Fuel corrected time difference to teammate in the latest comparable qualifying session.
Driver		Team		  Team Battle   TB Decider	Excuses
Buemi		 Toro Rosso	-0.622		Q1			
Alonso		Renault	   -0.465		Q1			Alonso had double diffuser, Piquet not
Heidfeld	  BMW		   -0.441		Q1			
Trulli		Toyota		-0.421		Q2			
Rosberg	   Williams	  -0.384		Q2			
Hamilton	  McLaren	   -0.292		Q2			Kovalainen was blocked
Vettel		Red Bull	  -0.211		Q3			
Räikkönen	 Ferrari	   -0.177		Q2			
Barrichello   Brawn GP	  -0.096		Q3			
Sutil		 Force India   -0.003		Q1			
Fisichella	Force India   0.003		 Q1			
Button		Brawn GP	  0.096		 Q3			
Massa		 Ferrari	   0.177		 Q2			
Webber		Red Bull	  0.211		 Q3			
Kovalainen	McLaren	   0.292		 Q2			Kovalainen was blocked
Nakajima	  Williams	  0.384		 Q2			
Glock		 Toyota		0.421		 Q2			
Kubica		BMW		   0.441		 Q1			
Piquet		Renault	   0.465		 Q1			Alonso had double diffuser, Piquet not
Bourdais	  Toro Rosso	0.622		 Q1

Time penalties per lap in the first stint compared to the lightest car.
Driver		Fuel Penalty
Alonso		0.000
Vettel		0.199
Webber		0.270
Sutil		 0.313
Rosberg	   0.384
Glock		 0.426
Kubica		0.625
Button		0.625
Barrichello   0.682
Trulli		0.781
Buemi		 1.023
Räikkönen	 1.037
Hamilton	  1.194
Heidfeld	  1.194
Fisichella	1.208
Nakajima	  1.299
Massa		 1.506
Bourdais	  1.506
Kovalainen	1.705
Piquet		1.731

Edit: Adjusted formatting for the new BB.

Edited by ville, 30 April 2009 - 14:41.


#27 noikeee

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:05

That's some excellent analysis, thanks a lot.

#28 djellison

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:09

Awesome work Ville - how do you format the text so well with vB?

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#29 MichaelPM

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:13

Originally posted by Youichi


Looking at that chart, can we conclude how big some of the tanks are ?

Presuming if your heavy and out of the top 10, you just declare as much fuel as you can carry, the tanks sizes are :-

BMW 74 kg of fuel
FI 74.5
Williams 77.5
Ferrari 85
STR 85
McLaren 92
Renault 92.9

Redbull, Brawn and Toyota are all runnning under their max fuel.

I doubt the Renault designed for KERS would have a bigger fuel tank then the cars without KERS.

#30 EthanM

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:15

Originally posted by djellison
Awesome work Ville - how do you format the text so well with vB?

Doug


using the code tag instead of the quote tag

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:17

The first handful's strategy of light fuel weight is a stupid one - when rain is predicted but unsure you should always carry fuel to be able to stay out longer. Theres a chance that it will rain but their small fuel weight will still force them to pit and then maybe pit just some laps later again if it rains but if it rains early they will have to change to wets and refuel then while the others just change tyre.

Is Brawn smart or these other clowns just make him look good?

#32 Claudius

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:22

Glory lap by Alonso.
And Vettel.
:

Let's see if they can take an advantage tomorrow.
But Brawn have more room to change their strategy depending on the circumstances. And they have Ross.

#33 EthanM

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:24

It is extremely superfluous to make smart/dumb calls based on a maybe ... it all depends on if it rains, when it rains, where everybody is relative to their strategy etc etc etc.

Unless obviously you can guarantee rain on lap 20 in which case yeah whoever stops before that may be handicapped.

#34 Mackey

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:27

Looking at the fuel-corrected times:

-Brawn hides their pace in Q2. This backs the theory said before.
-Alonso found a second between Q2 and Q3 :eek: :eek:

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:29

Originally posted by djellison
Awesome work Ville - how do you format the text so well with vB?

I copy the text from spreadsheet, convert tabs to spaces and then use the [code=auto:0] tag (# icon in the vB editor).

#36 Galko877

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:30

I think Hamilton is a secret favourite - at least for a podium finish. He has a very heavy car but coupled with a not too bad starting position, especially if we consider he is the only one in the Top 10 to have KERS. He could win 4-5 positions at the start already. He is also a good overtaker and has an agressive approach, so this could turn out well for him and McLaren. Of course a lot will depend on the rain and when it comes if it comes.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:33

The top 3 in the WDC - Button, Barrichello and Trulli still look stronger given more fuel, just need to keep in touch in the beginning and then use their extra laps to pitstop pass them.

#38 eoin

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:35

Originally posted by Claudius
Glory lap by Alonso.
And Vettel.
:


Why are people saying that Alonso and Vettel are light but ignoring Webber? He just 2.5kg heavier than his team mate.

Brawn still have the fastest car. Fuel adjusted Rubens would be on pole by .2s.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:37

Awesome thread, thanks for the analysis guys. Things are pretty much how I expected, although Rosberg is about 10kg lighter than I was expecting in comparison to the competition.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:44

Stupid question:

Why are some of the weights starred? The note on the FIA sheet says these are the 'decalred weights'. Surely all cars have had to declare the weight?

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:44

Originally posted by Galko877
I think Hamilton is a secret favourite - at least for a podium finish. He has a very heavy car but coupled with a not too bad starting position, especially if we consider he is the only one in the Top 10 to have KERS. He could win 4-5 positions at the start already. He is also a good overtaker and has an agressive approach, so this could turn out well for him and McLaren. Of course a lot will depend on the rain and when it comes if it comes.


I think Hamilton isn't a favourite - at least for a podium finish. He has a very heavy car which will screw his softs and coupled with a bad starting position, especially if we consider he is the only one in the Top 10 to have KERS which will be a handicap. He could lose 4-5 positions at the start already. He is also a dangerous overtaker and has a too agressive approach, so this could turn out bad for him and McLaren. Of course a lot will depend on the rain and when it comes if it comes which will screw his high weight situation.



Out of the Alonso, Kimi and Hammo fans I have had to suffer for the last couple of years at least the Kimi fans this year have stayed realistic about things. ;)

#42 cheapracer

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:47

Originally posted by eoin


Why are people saying that Alonso and Vettel are light but ignoring Webber? He just 2.5kg heavier than his team mate.

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Because they are talking about

1/ Drivers who can finish a race

2/ Drivers who are similar or faster than their teammates

3/ See 1/ and 2/

#43 peroa

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:47

Originally posted by smartie_f1
Stupid question:

Why are some of the weights starred? The note on the FIA sheet says these are the 'decalred weights'. Surely all cars have had to declare the weight?


Q3 cars are weighed for real, all others have to report their weight already today.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:49

Originally posted by cheapracer


Because they are talking about

1/ Drivers who can finish a race

2/ Drivers who are similar or faster than their teammates

3/ See 1/ and 2/


Remind us all how many races Vettel has finished this year?

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:49

Originally posted by smartie_f1
Stupid question:

Why are some of the weights starred? The note on the FIA sheet says these are the 'decalred weights'. Surely all cars have had to declare the weight?



Cars which made into Q3 are fueled to the race levels right after Q2, so the fuel is already there. Other cars don't have physically fuel in the car yet, but the teams declare what the levels will be.

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:51

Originally posted by cheapracer


Because they are talking about

1/ Drivers who can finish a race

2/ Drivers who are similar or faster than their teammates

3/ See 1/ and 2/

:up: :smoking:

#47 Anomnader

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:51

Originally posted by cheapracer


I think Hamilton isn't a favourite - at least for a podium finish. He has a very heavy car which will screw his softs and coupled with a bad starting position, especially if we consider he is the only one in the Top 10 to have KERS which will be a handicap. He could lose 4-5 positions at the start already.


What!!!! Kers helps at the start not disadvantages, Kers will help him ovetake AND defend!

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:53

Originally posted by cheapracer


I think Hamilton isn't a favourite - at least for a podium finish. He has a very heavy car which will screw his softs and coupled with a bad starting position, especially if we consider he is the only one in the Top 10 to have KERS which will be a handicap. He could lose 4-5 positions at the start already. He is also a dangerous overtaker and has a too agressive approach, so this could turn out bad for him and McLaren. Of course a lot will depend on the rain and when it comes if it comes which will screw his high weight situation.



Out of the Alonso, Kimi and Hammo fans I have had to suffer for the last couple of years at least the Kimi fans this year have stayed realistic about things. ;)

So what if he has a heavy car? That means he'll most likely be starting on the medium compound.

Handicap? Not at the start, if you haven't noticed, cars with KERS have had better starts than cars without - just look at Alonso in Malaysia...

Dangerous overtaker? What? :lol:

You're talking absolute crap. Those with heavier fuel loads will have an ADVANTAGE as weight isn't as big of a handicap in the wet as it is in the dry

Ah Kimi fangirls(yes, even men). The proclaimed fastest man in F1, who's able to crash numerous times and retain that name. Ralistic indeed. Nah, more weird and creepy. I've never seen such zealous worship of someone eating ice cream than I have with Kimi.

I'm not a real fan of any current driver (my heart is still with Schumacher), I just don't like you :lol:

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:56

Originally posted by peroa


Q3 cars are weighed for real, all others have to report their weight already today.


Originally posted by wingwalker



Cars which made into Q3 are fueled to the race levels right after Q2, so the fuel is already there. Other cars don't have physically fuel in the car yet, but the teams declare what the levels will be.


Thank you :)

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Posted 18 April 2009 - 11:59

Originally posted by cheapracer
I think Hamilton isn't a favourite - at least for a podium finish. He has a very heavy car which will screw his softs and coupled with a bad starting position, especially if we consider he is the only one in the Top 10 to have KERS which will be a handicap. He could lose 4-5 positions at the start already. He is also a dangerous overtaker and has a too agressive approach, so this could turn out bad for him and McLaren. Of course a lot will depend on the rain and when it comes if it comes which will screw his high weight situation.

Out of the Alonso, Kimi and Hammo fans I have had to suffer for the last couple of years at least the Kimi fans this year have stayed realistic about things. ;)

I'm not even a Lewis fan, but I do think he's got a good shot in the race.

Your point about him possibly losing 4 to 5 positions at the start makes no sense. He has KERS while everybody in front of him does not. He could very likely make up a few places this way.

And I keep seeing people say that he's a dangerous overtaker and everything, but the guy seems to make his passes stick with pretty damning frequency, doesn't he? I saw mountains of people claiming that he was going to be the result of all kinds of trouble in Australia when he started from the back, but he seemed to do quite well for himself.

And since when is carrying more weight a bad thing when it rains? If anything, its an advantage because you aren't risking having to come in too early for fuel reasons when you needed to wait a bit longer before changing your type of tire.

Also, why does starting heavy mean he's screwed with the softs? He doesn't have to *start* on softs, you know.

I'm sorry, but I just dont see much sense in your arguments.

Again, I am not a Lewis fan, so I'm not just blindly defending the guy.