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#101 Wander

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 17:32

A weird guy that Senna. Regarding the experiences of god and shit, I do seriously wonder if Senna had hallucinations, if his mind created a story that he sincerely believed in, or if he just lied.

Undoubtedly he believed in God and believed that he was being guided and helped by him, but the direct supernatural experiences I simply find dubious. I can only guess that he really did think it happened, but Jesus (pun intended), I guess I need to experience a hallucination or something myself to better understand where people with these religious experiences are coming from. Never had one of any kind as far as I can remember.

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#102 HopkinsonF1

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 05:55

Incidentally is it common in Brazil that a 13 year boy will go to a prostitute organised by an older family member?


Common in Brazil? Hell, it's common in Yorkshire.


#103 One

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:59

Thanx Galko, I found it toolate to join the discussion. Excuse me guys, I just jump in to say thanx...


#104 DutchCruijff

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 15:40

:rotfl: The God and Devil stuff was hilarious. Never did like his personality because he came across as a schemy sociopath.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 16:23

Thanks for uploading this and the translation - an enjoyable read.

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#106 George Costanza

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 16:38

:rotfl: The God and Devil stuff was hilarious. Never did like his personality because he came across as a schemy sociopath.



Have you even seen Ayrton back in his prime? I doubt that.

#107 1Devil1

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 16:59

Have you even seen Ayrton back in his prime? I doubt that.


He did not doubt his abilities. His post was about the character of Senna.

#108 SpaMaster

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 17:31

He did not doubt his abilities. His post was about the character of Senna.

Schemy sociopath? Crap.. :down: I am not a big fan. But he is quite a philanthropist, on the contrary.

#109 Henri Greuter

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 18:43

I was digging up some old threads and found this interview and a few user comments quite intriguing. I'm sure many new forumers would do too. Hope Mods don't mind random thread bumping. :blush:




Unique thread: Senna warshippers letting Senna critizers get away with negative comments and opinions......


Learned a lot of interesting details but it doesn't change my feelings and opinions about Senna, if anything it confirms more and more what I thought already.


"When slapped in the face by your enemy, turn him the other cheek as well"
"Don't do to other people that you don't want to be done with you"
In other words: Do not seek and go for revenge.....

If Senna was religious, then he had certainly a most unique, selfish, selfcentered version of christianity once he sat in a car.
Given all his work in charity within his private life I give him the benefit of the doubt for the out of the car part of his life.


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#110 Wander

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 20:02

"When slapped in the face by your enemy, turn him the other cheek as well"
"Don't do to other people that you don't want to be done with you"
In other words: Do not seek and go for revenge.....


Cherry-picking. There are other parts of the bible, which have no problems whatsoever with revenge.

#111 Henri Greuter

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 20:35

Cherry-picking. There are other parts of the bible, which have no problems whatsoever with revenge.


True. Butprimarily in "the Old Testament" which (for me that is) is a bundle of novels together with little credibility.

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 00:18

and the new testament is credible?

it's not uncommon for athletes to totally change personality when they 'cross the stripe' - senna is just another example of this phenomenon - while his claims of visions are also not unique for someone of strong faith. i'm sure a shrink could explain them as an extreme emotional reaction to a profound event (first WDC). i've also seen where he described the event as 'visualising' god / jesus, which is more of a concession that it was an internal experience rather than a direct audience with a deity.

as to christian - or specifically catholic - hypocrisy, brazilian culture has turned this into an art form. carnival marks the start of lent, after all!

#113 Henri Greuter

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 09:24

and the new testament is credible?

it's not uncommon for athletes to totally change personality when they 'cross the stripe' - senna is just another example of this phenomenon - while his claims of visions are also not unique for someone of strong faith. i'm sure a shrink could explain them as an extreme emotional reaction to a profound event (first WDC). i've also seen where he described the event as 'visualising' god / jesus, which is more of a concession that it was an internal experience rather than a direct audience with a deity.

as to christian - or specifically catholic - hypocrisy, brazilian culture has turned this into an art form. carnival marks the start of lent, after all!



We are drifting away from the subject I think. (Also because of my fault, I admit such)
For me the "New Testament" is at least more credible then the "Old Testament" If you want to know why PM me because I don't want to derail the thread into a religious affair. By the way, I have a Christian background but (after my own experiences with other religion obsessed people within my own life) I consider just about every form of organized religion as brainwashing, be it Christian, Muslim, Jewish or whatever.

I agree with your statement about people changing from personality and that Senna is just one of them
All what I meant to say with my remark about Senna and his religious experiences is that at least on the track as a driver I didn't see anything about such feelings and wisdom gained. I see the opposite of that within his track behaviour.

Senna proclaimed he saw God at Monaco 1988? If that expression was done by him to explain his character as a driver, then I think it was in the one lone second that he ever looked in his rear view mirror during those `magical laps`of him and saw his own helmet reflecting in the mirror. With his manner of driving and track behaviour, I rate all the religious comments of the racing driver Senna as pure blasphemy and of no value other then a manner to defend his selfishness and disrespect for anyone but himself.
As for the person Senna outside the cockpit, away from race tracks, I give him the benefit of the doubt given his charity funds etc.


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Edited by Henri Greuter, 25 December 2012 - 09:26.


#114 Jimisgod

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 11:26

Incidentally is it common in Brazil that a 13 year boy will go to a prostitute organised by an older family member?


Not Brazil, and not a prostitute, but what boys in their mid teens get up to with girls and the support of their male peers is best not discussed here. :p :blush:


#115 WhatOh

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 12:20

Common in Brazil? Hell, it's common in Yorkshire.


I have images of Marina from Last of the Summer Wine

#116 BrazilianMcLarenFan

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 14:43

Ayrton Senna was a contradictory person.

But he paid much attention to his public image. Since the beggining of his career.

I have a book, in portuguese, called "Senna - the hero revealed". It has many details about his personal life.

Even the hoax abour him being a homossexual was a subject that he investigates.

The writer , Geraldo Rodriguez, have acess to the family and seek with many details aspects of his life.

I was thinking about translate it and post it here.

Edited by BrazilianMcLarenFan, 25 December 2012 - 15:51.


#117 aditya-now

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 17:35

Ayrton Senna was a contradictory person.

But he paid much attention to his public image. Since the beggining of his career.

I have a book, in portuguese, called "Senna - the hero revealed". It has many details about his personal life.

Even the hoax abour him being a homossexual was a subject that he investigates.

The writer , Geraldo Rodriguez, have acess to the family and seek with many details aspects of his life.

I was thinking about translate it and post it here.


Wow, translating the whole book and posting it here would be a feat, indeed. :D

I am sure you meant only selected parts, but that would be very welcome as well - we don't have access to that book lest we learn Portuguese. Thanks in advance if you provide some materials that provide further insights on angles that the Playboy interview has touched upon.

#118 WhatOh

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 23:16

I am sure you meant only selected parts, but that would be very welcome as well - we don't have access to that book lest we learn Portuguese. Thanks in advance if you provide some materials that provide further insights on angles that the Playboy interview has touched upon.


If I am thinking about the same book, someone has posted a series of videos on Youtube which translates some parts of the book. I would not waste your time watching them.
I am not sure what insights the book can really provide and it seems to concentrate around Senna's WAGs which is bit tacky and unnecessary. The Times ran an article about this book when it was the 10th (?) anniversary of Senna's death. It caused a bit of a stir and am pretty certain the Senna family did not endorse it.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 14:58

If I am thinking about the same book, someone has posted a series of videos on Youtube which translates some parts of the book. I would not waste your time watching them.
I am not sure what insights the book can really provide and it seems to concentrate around Senna's WAGs which is bit tacky and unnecessary. The Times ran an article about this book when it was the 10th (?) anniversary of Senna's death. It caused a bit of a stir and am pretty certain the Senna family did not endorse it.


Thank you for the info, then!

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#120 BoschKurve

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 15:53

Senna was an interesting contradiction in human character. But then again, what I would say is that to be contradictory is part of the human experience. We're all contradictory for better or worse at the end of the day. Certainly in his case the contradictions could seem much more extreme, but to this I say, would he still have been Senna had he not exhibited the contradictions? I think he is a fascinating study as a person.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 18:23

Playboy: Some people say that although you are indeed the best driver currently, but you have a big fault: you are too reckless. Do you agree with that?

Senna: Enterpreneurial spirit, quickness and determination are characteristical of me, not just on the race track but on every other field of life. These are very worthy characteristics. But in certain situations a too strong character can backfire. I have so much willpower that from time to time it backfires. But that’s what it’s all about: you can learn some things only step by step.


I am a prost fan and will quickly state that this in fact was a problem with Senna.

But I have to admit that his response is not only right on the money but frankly inspirational.

The rest is delusional ramblings.

His jabs at Prost are completely not how a gentlemen should act. Since he sued NP I suppose by his own logic Prost should have sued him?

Not saying Prost was any poster boy for propper behavior either.

Edited by aportinga, 28 December 2012 - 18:37.


#122 WhatOh

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 11:29

Thank you for the info, then!

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I have a subscription to The Times; I think they ran a number of articles during 2004. If you like I can copy and paste them to you. Although you may have read them before. :)

Edited by WhatOh, 29 December 2012 - 11:37.


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 02:42

I have a subscription to The Times; I think they ran a number of articles during 2004. If you like I can copy and paste them to you. Although you may have read them before. :)


That was a real treat, WhatOh! Thanks a lot and a great, prosperous and auspicious 2013 for you!