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#1 maplestone71

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 21:53

Some random thoughts / questions on Chunky's cap-throwing at the chequered flag:
- Did he do this from "day 1" when his cars won (i.e. Innes Ireland's first win at the Glen in 1961?) or, if not, when did it start and was it spontaneous?
- Were there any embarrassments (did he mistakenly throw it when Emerson came "second" at Mosport in 1973 or did he miss any wins, maybe Ronnie's last-lap win at Kyalami in 1978?)
- Did he throw at Indy in 1965? And similar to above, in 1966 when Jimmy came "second"?

Are there any other renowned win celebrations? The nearest thing I can think of is Ken Tyrrell's abobe head handshake which I've seen a few times on film clips / pictures

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#2 Doug Nye

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 21:56

John Cooper's forward roll...

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#3 john winfield

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 21:57

John Cooper's forward roll?

Doug, you type too quickly!

#4 Doug Nye

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 21:59

Sorry pardon - the other less obvious one was Ken Tyrrell habitually beaming and rubbing his hands together upon a win, in anticipation of drawing the cash.

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#5 PeterElleray

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 22:08

Originally posted by maplestone71

- Were there any embarrassments (did he mistakenly throw it when Emerson came "second" at Mosport in 1973 or did he miss any wins, maybe Ronnie's last-lap win at Kyalami in 1978?)


according to pete lyon's in autosport , yes he did, 'high into the air.. with a gesture of real exhuberance'. The next bit of the report goes on to describe the official holding the chequered flag looking on in bemusement whilst waiting for Peter Revson's McLaren to wave it at... and the rest of the field 'pummelling' the cap as it lay there in the middle of the track.

quite a nice little picture really - and im sure ive read elsewhere of other occassions where 'the cap' became a target for the rest of the field at the end....

peter

ps btw the cap was thrown at kyalami, its on the tv footage.

#6 COUGAR508

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 18:36

Can anyone confirm when Chapman started the "cap throwing" celebration? At some races, such as Monaco and Hockenheim in 1970, he contented himself with standing on the track and shaking his fists or waving his arms. This also seems to have been the case on occasion in the 1967/68 era.

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 22:09

Kyalami 1978
just before the start Chapman made them take a few litres out of Andretti's car to save weight. Mario was leading the race but with 3 laps to go he had to make a pitstop to refuel and finally finished 7th a lap behind. Ronnie Peterson took the lead from Patrick Depailler on the last lap for a thrilling victory and duly had Chapman's cap thrown. In his autobiography Mario says that he was so annoyed about the refuelling that he was strongly tempted to run over the cap!

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 23:09

I recall when Mario won the LBGP for Lotus, Chapman threw his hat high into the air to celebrate, and Jody Scheckter, who had led from start to nearly finish (due to a flat front) swerved waaaay out of the way to run it over!
Great moment and :up: for Jody.

#9 PeterElleray

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 00:17

Originally posted by Direct Drive
I recall when Mario won the LBGP for Lotus, Chapman threw his hat high into the air to celebrate, and Jody Scheckter, who had led from start to nearly finish (due to a flat front) swerved waaaay out of the way to run it over!
Great moment and :up: for Jody.


just checked it out, VERY deliberate! must have been well p*ss*d off at having lost the lead so late in the race with a slow puncture and the last thing he would have wanted to see was the cap being thrown with gusto!. The coverage goes on to show 'parc ferme', Jody can be seen in the background looking 'grumpy'...

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#10 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 02:26

I imagine ACBC would be fined millions for his exuberance today.....

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 08:24

Originally posted by Jack-the-Lad
I imagine ACBC would be fined millions for his exuberance today.....

Jack


I wonder when the last on-track celebration took place in F1? Did Chapman go on to the track when De Angelis won in Austria in '82?

Certainly, some Renault personnel were on the track to greet Jean-Pierre Jabouille at Dijon in '79.

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 10:19

Originally posted by COUGAR508


I wonder when the last on-track celebration took place in F1? Did Chapman go on to the track when De Angelis won in Austria in '82?

Yes, he did. Cap and all.

#13 COUGAR508

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 10:36

Chapman is not immediately visible on the TV footage, although I may not have been looking hard enough.

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 16:27

Originally posted by COUGAR508
I wonder when the last on-track celebration took place in F1? Did Chapman go on to the track when De Angelis won in Austria in '82?


I think the Leyton House team celebrated with similar exuberance at Paul Ricard in 1990 for the win that nearly was.

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 16:54

I have just remembered that some of the Lotus mechanics came on to the track at Estoril in 1985 when Senna crossed the line...

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 18:25

Originally posted by D-Type
Kyalami 1978
just before the start Chapman made them take a few litres out of Andretti's car to save weight. Mario was leading the race but with 3 laps to go he had to make a pitstop to refuel and finally finished 7th a lap behind. Ronnie Peterson took the lead from Patrick Depailler on the last lap for a thrilling victory and duly had Chapman's cap thrown. In his autobiography Mario says that he was so annoyed about the refuelling that he was strongly tempted to run over the cap!


Mario was in 1st place for the first 20 laps of this race. Never after that. Depailler lead from lap 64 until the last lap (78) when Peterson took the lead about 1km from the end.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 04:05

I always thought he started throwing his cap in the air - in fact that he started wearing that black cap - when a Lotus became a John Player Special.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 04:12

Originally posted by COUGAR508


I wonder when the last on-track celebration took place in F1? Did Chapman go on to the track when De Angelis won in Austria in '82?

Certainly, some Renault personnel were on the track to greet Jean-Pierre Jabouille at Dijon in '79.


It went further in time than that... I can recall Lotus mechanics were on the track to greet Senna when he won in Portugal in '85. Afterwards I think they finally banned the practice.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:41

Anyone have any info on the hats? Where he bought them, size, etc? I'm sure someone on here knows. The details that people know on here is crazy.

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#20 SEdward

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 13:14

I once bought an article that was marketed as a "Jackie Stewart Cap" in the early 1970s. Very similar to Chapman's artifice.

Made of black corduroy, it was pretty neat, but I have no idea where it is now... Probably at the bottom of some cardboard box in my Mum's house.

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#21 RA Historian

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 14:03

Originally posted by SEdward
I once bought an article that was marketed as a "Jackie Stewart Cap" in the early 1970s. Very similar to Chapman's artifice.

Made of black corduroy, it was pretty neat, but I have no idea where it is now... Probably at the bottom of some cardboard box in my Mum's house.

Edward

Ed, I still have mine! Got it in the early 70s as a gift, and still wear it occasionally. But I only wear it around knowing people, as the non-enthusiasts all think I am wearing a Greek fisherman's cap. It does have a tab inside of it labeling it as a "Jackie Stewart Cap". I always thought that Chunky was wearing something very similar, if not the same.
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#22 COUGAR508

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 18:39

Originally posted by Victor_RO


It went further in time than that... I can recall Lotus mechanics were on the track to greet Senna when he won in Portugal in '85. Afterwards I think they finally banned the practice.



There was almost an accident, because Mansell, who was following Senna, had to take evasive action.

#23 elansprint72

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 19:44

I believe that it was a Breton cap, as favoured by Dutch Barge Captains.

www.headstart-hats.co.uk/

#24 URY914

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Posted 29 April 2009 - 00:40

See, I knew someone would know where to get one!

#25 maplestone71

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 00:05

For those so minded, Clive & co. are now selling them (obviously not now expecting Fernandes and Gascoyne to be using any) ...
Classic Team Lotus Chunky caps for sale

Jon