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#1 philippe charuest

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 17:49

im pretty sure that it was somewhere here or at least a link , but i cant find it , what im looking for is the list of national colors of the AIACR (association internationale des automobiles clubs reconnus) or maybe it was already the CSI im not sure . there was the colors of the frames ,bonnet,wheels if different for many different country

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#2 taylov

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 19:15

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This version is from the 1936 Albi GP programme.

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#3 philippe charuest

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Posted 15 May 2009 - 20:42

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This version is from the 1936 Albi GP programme.

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THX. exactly what i was looking for . i had some vague memory of a scan of a doc of the time period like that .

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 00:50

I've read that the original color for the United States was red , but as no cars entered from the US , Italy assumed the colors . Any truth to this ?

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 07:48

I've read that the original color for the United States was red , but as no cars entered from the US , Italy assumed the colors . Any truth to this ?

Yes and no. Winton's car at the first Gordon Bennett was red. However I am convinced that racing colours at this stage were only allocated ad hoc for the G-B cup (think of things like the Paris-Madrid - Gabriel's Mors was not German). In 1901 red was used by Great Britain and in the 1904 G-B race Austria had yellow and black, Italy black and Switzerland red and yellow. The first Grands Prix, perhaps because they deliberately were not meant to be "national", did not have national colours (the winning Renault was red; the British Arrol-Johnsons had a navy tartan). However, perhaps there was a strong nationalist element behind some entrants and the ad hoc G-B colours were sometimes adopted by patriotic manufacturers? Certainly I think green for Britain was used because the Napier in 1902 wore green and it became associated with British success.

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 08:49

Yes and no. Winton's car at the first Gordon Bennett was red. However I am convinced that racing colours at this stage were only allocated ad hoc for the G-B cup (think of things like the Paris-Madrid - Gabriel's Mors was not German). In 1901 red was used by Great Britain and in the 1904 G-B race Austria had yellow and black, Italy black and Switzerland red and yellow. The first Grands Prix, perhaps because they deliberately were not meant to be "national", did not have national colours (the winning Renault was red; the British Arrol-Johnsons had a navy tartan). However, perhaps there was a strong nationalist element behind some entrants and the ad hoc G-B colours were sometimes adopted by patriotic manufacturers? Certainly I think green for Britain was used because the Napier in 1902 wore green and it became associated with British success.

National colours were mandated from the second Grand Prix in 1907, it was only in 1906 that they were free. Until 1968, of course.

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 09:26

I have the 1935 AIACR Annexes to the Year Book with two pages of national colours.I will try to scan them and post them later but iif you have any particular country-Chile or Lithuania perhaps I can answer specifics.

Edited by Red Socks, 16 May 2009 - 09:27.


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Posted 16 May 2009 - 23:22

Yes and no. Winton's car at the first Gordon Bennett was red. However I am convinced that racing colours at this stage were only allocated ad hoc for the G-B cup (think of things like the Paris-Madrid - Gabriel's Mors was not German). In 1901 red was used by Great Britain and in the 1904 G-B race Austria had yellow and black, Italy black and Switzerland red and yellow. The first Grands Prix, perhaps because they deliberately were not meant to be "national", did not have national colours (the winning Renault was red; the British Arrol-Johnsons had a navy tartan). However, perhaps there was a strong nationalist element behind some entrants and the ad hoc G-B colours were sometimes adopted by patriotic manufacturers? Certainly I think green for Britain was used because the Napier in 1902 wore green and it became associated with British success.



Thanks ensign .

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Posted 17 May 2009 - 18:16

im pretty sure that it was somewhere here or at least a link , but i cant find it , what im looking for is the list of national colors of the AIACR (association internationale des automobiles clubs reconnus) or maybe it was already the CSI im not sure . there was the colors of the frames ,bonnet,wheels if different for many different country


Using Search BB for "national colours" turned up five pages of possibilities , two with lists were:
"International Racing Colours" http://forums.autosp...showtopic=10224 - see Post 56, and
"Was red ever the official racing colour of England?" http://forums.autosp...showtopic=53357 - see Post 20

Outside TNF, 6th gear has http://8w.forix.com/...ear/colors.html and Motorsport Memorial has http://www.motorspor...lours.php?db=ct

I hope the links work as I'm not quite sure how the new forum software works.

Edited by D-Type, 17 May 2009 - 18:24.


#10 philippe charuest

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Posted 20 May 2009 - 17:14

Using Search BB for "national colours" turned up five pages of possibilities , two with lists were:
"International Racing Colours" http://forums.autosp...showtopic=10224 - see Post 56, and
"Was red ever the official racing colour of England?" http://forums.autosp...showtopic=53357 - see Post 20

Outside TNF, 6th gear has http://8w.forix.com/...ear/colors.html and Motorsport Memorial has http://www.motorspor...lours.php?db=ct

I hope the links work as I'm not quite sure how the new forum software works.

thanks . but sadly the most interesting item in the first link "post 56" there seem to be a kind of corruption of the doc (irc2.jpg),a scan of an old aiacr rules sheet , so theres no way to copy it

Edited by philippe charuest, 20 May 2009 - 17:17.


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Posted 20 May 2009 - 17:57

National colours were mandated from the second Grand Prix in 1907, it was only in 1906 that they were free. Until 1968, of course.


Did it become more loosely enforced in the 1960s such as the Brabhams being turquoise and gold, then green and gold?


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Posted 20 May 2009 - 20:27

Did it become more loosely enforced in the 1960s such as the Brabhams being turquoise and gold, then green and gold?

Actually, it was M O N E Y
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Posted 20 May 2009 - 20:37

thanks . but sadly the most interesting item in the first link "post 56" there seem to be a kind of corruption of the doc (irc2.jpg),a scan of an old aiacr rules sheet , so theres no way to copy it

Curious - it looks fine on my screen.

You could contact Felix Muelas and ask him to send you a copy direct.

Edited by D-Type, 20 May 2009 - 20:40.


#14 philippe charuest

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Posted 21 May 2009 - 17:42

I have the 1935 AIACR Annexes to the Year Book with two pages of national colours.I will try to scan them and post them later but iif you have any particular country-Chile or Lithuania perhaps I can answer specifics.

it would be very kind of you