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#6101 primer

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Posted 13 November 2009 - 18:36

Loved the two part Clifford interview at motomatters. Such straight speaking and honesty. :up:

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#6102 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 13 November 2009 - 20:10

Good looking bike. Looks like it has a ttx rear and 25mm kit front. Has it got the kit ECU?

Should be good for 5 seconds a lap :-) Will you have white plates next year? Does AFM use yellow/white plates?


Ohlins all around, yep. Has the original Ohlins valving and everything so it will be a good starting point. Kit ECU, Dynojet electronics, Supersport motor.. should be as competitive as I can ride it.

I have 3 race weekends left before I get my expert license and white plates. It looks like AFM will do a full-on Novice class next year, so I may be competing for a championship on top of running the expert races. 1:45's at Sears Point should be doable before the season is done.

Edited by Chubby_Deuce, 13 November 2009 - 20:11.


#6103 Andy35

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Posted 13 November 2009 - 20:18

This is dead on, whether you're talking about MotoGP and F1. It's the reason that Max was right to push the carmakers out of F1.


Loved the two part Clifford interview at motomatters. Such straight speaking and honesty. :up:



No, it's a load of rubbish

" Honda are manufacturers first and racers second; they can stop any time, it's not their core business is it? So when you lose the WCMs and the Team Roberts and so forth, you lose any vestige of stability."

So how many Honda based bikes in MotoGP in 2010 and how many Honda powered teams in Moto2? How many years have Honda been in motorcycling? THE major manufacturer in motorcycles, Honda, even after a bad year is very stable still. I think it's just sour grapes from someone who has an axe to grind after biting off more than he could chew at the wrong time.

"they can stop any time" .. yeah but they didn't, unlike you. Go cry me a river.


Andy

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#6104 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 13 November 2009 - 20:22

Honda is a public company, it is at the mercy of their BoD. No company will continue to fund a massive racing operation such as Honda's when/if their company is bleeding huge sums of money. Racing is the first thing to go.

I think the only carmaker that you can really say will ALWAYS go prototype racing is Ferrari. All others will do so as long as it makes sense.

#6105 ex Rhodie racer 2

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Posted 13 November 2009 - 22:24

No, it's a load of rubbish

" Honda are manufacturers first and racers second; they can stop any time, it's not their core business is it? So when you lose the WCMs and the Team Roberts and so forth, you lose any vestige of stability."

So how many Honda based bikes in MotoGP in 2010 and how many Honda powered teams in Moto2? How many years have Honda been in motorcycling? THE major manufacturer in motorcycles, Honda, even after a bad year is very stable still. I think it's just sour grapes from someone who has an axe to grind after biting off more than he could chew at the wrong time.

"they can stop any time" .. yeah but they didn't, unlike you. Go cry me a river.


Andy

Not much of a Clifford fan. He should have stuck to journalism IMO, but he has got a point.
Honda have taken their toys and gone home once already, back in the days when their 4 strokes were being swamped by the 2 stroke revolution. It took them another 15 years before they decided to come back, and they will go again if it suits them.
It´s not about motorcycle racing and the fans that follow the sport. It´s just business, nothing else.

#6106 Lazy Prodigy

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Posted 13 November 2009 - 22:35

Not much of a Clifford fan. He should have stuck to journalism IMO, but he has got a point.
Honda have taken their toys and gone home once already, back in the days when their 4 strokes were being swamped by the 2 stroke revolution. It took them another 15 years before they decided to come back, and they will go again if it suits them.
It´s not about motorcycle racing and the fans that follow the sport. It´s just business, nothing else.

Yep. Could you imagine the business in motogp if Honda were running at the rear? Were they not evaluating their total motorsports operations when BAR Honda pulled out of F1? Honda has to win... its good for business. thats why Pedrosa is always on the hot seat from Repsol and Japan every other year.

Think of it after the winner of Moto 2. They will say something like " I want to thank Honda they are the best" bike engine or something like that. But its good publicity for riders to say that even though nobody else is in Moto2

Edited by Lazy Prodigy, 13 November 2009 - 22:44.


#6107 Kaiser

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 14:42

Someone start the new thread!

#6108 craftverk

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 14:44

Should there be seperate threads for the Superbike championships and MotoGP this time?

#6109 Youichi

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 15:25

Someone start the new thread!


Smithy where are you ?

A list of entrants/riders should do it.

#6110 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 16:40

New Footage of Stoner's crash

Edit: It would help if I put in the link: http://www.motorcycl...o/?R=EPI-120193

wrt to new threads, maybe we should do the same as last year, an off season thread and then a 2010 thread when the superbikes kick off.

#6111 bonneville

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 17:03

wrt to new threads, maybe we should do the same as last year, an off season thread and then a 2010 thread when the superbikes kick off.


How about the 2010 - MotoGP silly season (Moto2; WSBK; AMA; BSB) thread.

#6112 Lazy Prodigy

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 17:23

New Footage of Stoner's crash

Edit: It would help if I put in the link: http://www.motorcycl...o/?R=EPI-120193

wrt to new threads, maybe we should do the same as last year, an off season thread and then a 2010 thread when the superbikes kick off.

Of course Rossi will play mid games... besides there is no reason to be scared if Lorenzo leaves with Stoner an Pedrosa on the market.

#6113 ex Rhodie racer 2

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 21:15

How about the 2010 - MotoGP silly season (Moto2; WSBK; AMA; BSB) thread.

I don´t know about the others, but I´m quite happy with the single thread format. Makes it easier to take it all in without having to hop about the forum.

#6114 maczippy

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 21:29

So when are we starting the "The 2 Wheel Thread 2010 - MotoGP; WSBK; AMA; BSB"

Smithy..isn't this your job to start it orf....

Andrew :)

#6115 smithy

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 21:36

Seeing as I got beaten to it, let's use the off season thread for the time being.

#6116 Ody Mandrell

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 04:16

It´s just business, nothing else.

I suppose it's easy to kick Honda while it's momentarily down, but to say that a company with this pedigree is just about widgets and profits is nutty. They have more GP constructor championships than ANY other marque. Saying Honda is just a business is like saying grand prix is just a business.

Since Honda, like every single other company in the history of motorsport, isn't a charity, it has to worry about the bottom line in addition to corporate pride, but that doesn't mean that they don't care about maintaining their racing legacy. Agree w/ Andy -- Clifford's talking nonsense.

#6117 milestone 11

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 15:06

Does anyone have any news of the goat at Vallelunga?

#6118 beanoid

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Posted 22 November 2009 - 19:58

Here