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#1 Doug Nye

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Posted 20 July 2009 - 21:08

Just for a bit of harmless fun...after a grim weekend...

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#2 Giraffe

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Posted 20 July 2009 - 21:14

What, every car and driver?!?! Come on Doug, be reasonable..... :well: Okay, I'll open the bidding with Goodwood and Sebring................. :blush:

Edited by Giraffe, 20 July 2009 - 21:39.


#3 hatrat

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 07:06

Second photo is Sebring and from the evidence of rear-engined cars probably 1961 - maybe the support race at the 12 Hour Florida International GP of Endurance for Sports Cars in March 1961.


#4 RAP

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 07:20

Goodwood photo is Easter 63
Pole Paul Hawkins Ian Walker BT6
Hulme BT6
Gardner BT6
Row 2
Arundell 27
Procter Tyrrell T67
Row 3
Bradley Lola 5A
John Dunn BT6
Rhodes T67
Row 4
Attwood Lola 5A
de Udy Lotus 22
Row 5
Maglia 22
Banting BT6
Mastin 22
Row 6
Brooke Lotus 20
Cole Cooper 59
Row 7
Berrow-Johnson Lola 5A
Conradsen Cooper 59
Row 8
Alan Rees Lola 5A
Row 9 (no practice times)
Spence 27
Hine Gemini
Greenville Gemini
Source - "Formula Junior Fact Book" (this series is now avaiable from Formula 1 Register reprinted on an "on request" basis)

#5 Giraffe

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 07:28

What, every car and driver?!?! Come on Doug, be reasonable..... :well: Okay, I'll open the bidding with Goodwood and Sebring................. :blush:


My first comment was meant to be tongue in cheek, but I really should know better on TNF, shouldn't I?!?! :blush:


#6 Doug Nye

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 12:43

Splendid - I knew someone would take the bait. So that just leaves the Sebring FJ grid identities and the names and addresses of every bystander...

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#7 alansart

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 12:54

Goodwood photo is Easter 63
Pole Paul Hawkins Ian Walker BT6
Hulme BT6
Gardner BT6
Row 2
Arundell 27
Procter Tyrrell T67
Row 3
Bradley Lola 5A
John Dunn BT6
Rhodes T67
Row 4
Attwood Lola 5A
de Udy Lotus 22
Row 5
Maglia 22
Banting BT6
Mastin 22
Row 6
Brooke Lotus 20
Cole Cooper 59
Row 7
Berrow-Johnson Lola 5A
Conradsen Cooper 59
Row 8
Alan Rees Lola 5A
Row 9 (no practice times)
Spence 27
Hine Gemini
Greenville Gemini
Source - "Formula Junior Fact Book" (this series is now avaiable from Formula 1 Register reprinted on an "on request" basis)


A 10 lapper which started at 1.30pm :)


#8 Vitesse2

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 12:58

.... the names and addresses of every bystander...

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From the left: Hiram Q Heffelfinger of Hackensack NJ ..... :p


#9 D-Type

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 13:21

Splendid - I knew someone would take the bait. So that just leaves the Sebring FJ grid identities and the names and addresses of every bystander...

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Every bystander or just TNF members? :wave:


#10 F3Wrench

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 17:29

...plus the jet size on the SU carburettor on the Morris Minor van in the foreground... :lol:

#11 David Birchall

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 18:13

Splendid - I knew someone would take the bait. So that just leaves the Sebring FJ grid identities and the names and addresses of every bystander...

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Well, I'll make a stab--that is Jim Hall in an Elva third from right in the front row.

My auntie Doris third from left in the back row at the far side of the most distant spectators.
I think.....


#12 hatrat

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 20:56

With the Sebring photo I think the car on pole (front right-hand side) is Charlie Kolb in a Gemini Mk3. The only other car I can identify is car #31 Paul Layman in a Sadler. The result of the race was Kolb 1st, Walt Hansgen (Cooper T56) 2nd, Ron Hissom (Lotus 20) 3rd, Jim Hall (Lotus 20) 4th, Pedro Rodriguez (Cooper T56) 5th, Bob Rubin (Lotus 18) 6th, Bill Wuesthoff (OSCA) 7th, Dick Thompson (Lotus 20) 8th, Bob Dusinberre (Cooper T52) 9th, Floyd Aaskov (Lotus 18) 10th.

All this assuming it is the 24 March 1960 Sebring race.

Edited by hatrat, 21 July 2009 - 20:58.


#13 RA Historian

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 21:20

With the Sebring photo I think the car on pole (front right-hand side) is Charlie Kolb in a Gemini Mk3. The only other car I can identify is car #31 Paul Layman in a Sadler. The result of the race was Kolb 1st, Walt Hansgen (Cooper T56) 2nd, Ron Hissom (Lotus 20) 3rd, Jim Hall (Lotus 20) 4th, Pedro Rodriguez (Cooper T56) 5th, Bob Rubin (Lotus 18) 6th, Bill Wuesthoff (OSCA) 7th, Dick Thompson (Lotus 20) 8th, Bob Dusinberre (Cooper T52) 9th, Floyd Aaskov (Lotus 18) 10th.

All this assuming it is the 24 March 1960 Sebring race.

With the cars mentioned, it has to be 1961. Gemini Mk 3, Lotus 20, Cooper T-56, et al, are all 1961 cars.

Tom

Edited by RA Historian, 21 July 2009 - 21:20.


#14 dretceterini

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 01:27

Sebring 1961 Fj grid:

Charlie Kolb, USA Charlie Kolb Gemini Mk 3 - Ford
Walt Hansgen, USA Walt Hansgen Cooper T56 - BMC
Ron Hissom, USA Carroll Shelby Lotus 20 - Ford
Jim Hall, USA Jim Hall Lotus 20 - Ford
Pedro Rodriguez, MX Pedro Rodriguez Cooper T56 - BMC
Bob Rubin, USA Bob Rubin Lotus 18 - Ford
Bill Wuesthoff, USA Bill Wuesthoff Osca - Fiat
Dick Thompson, USA Richard Thompson Lotus 20 - Ford
Bob Dusinberre, USA Robert Dusinberre Cooper T52 - BMC
Floyd Aaskov, USA Floyd Aaskov Lotus 18 - Ford
DNF Augie Pabst, USA Augie Pabst Isis - Fiat
DNF Jean Lloyd, USA Jean Lloyd Stanguellini - Fiat
DNF Guido Lollobrigida, USA Guido Lollobrigida Stanguellini - Fiat
DNF Bill Fuller, USA Bill Fuller Merlyn
DNF Joe Mogliner, USA Joe Mogliner Elva
Harry Carter, USA Harry Carter Lotus 18 - Ford
Ed Hugus, USA Ed Hugus Isis - Fiat
Vic Merino, USA Vic Merino Elva 200
Marvin Dee, USA Marvin Dee Osca - Fiat
Frank Mabry, USA Frank Mabry Lotus 18 - Ford
Paul Layman, USA Paul Layman Sadler - BMC


#15 hatrat

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 02:22

[quote
All this assuming it is the 24 March 1960 Sebring race.
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Sorry - there was a loose wire between the brain and the typing finger .... should have been 24 March 1961.
The race at Sebring was a support race at the annual 12 Hour Florida International Grand Prix of Endurance for Sports Cars. The fastest lap for the Formula Junior race was Charlie Kolb in the Gemini at 3'21.0".

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 08:54

...plus the jet size on the SU carburettor on the Morris Minor van in the foreground... :lol:

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 11:57

.090"



WHICH jet; main...air correction, etc :p

Edited by dretceterini, 23 July 2009 - 11:57.


#18 David Birchall

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 19:02

WHICH jet; main...air correction, etc :p



The one and only jet - it's an SU Stu :wave:

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 19:30

For an old Brit that’s real nostalgia too!!

I love that General Post Office ( GPO) Morris Minor van in the foreground. They were always painted in dark green, proudly bearing the inscription "Post Office Telephones" (Many years before "BT") and underneath that “Telephone Manager” and then the district (in Goodwood’s case probably Guildford).

My Dad worked for the GPO/BT and I was really excited the one and only day he drove one home ( Hey, I was only 6 or 7 at the time!!)—it even had the ladders on the roof!

Also it’s parked next to a nice BBC truck in their old green and grey colours…”Auntie” probably showed the first 4 laps of the Glover Trophy before whisking us off to see horses wandering around the Haydock Park paddock for an hour……

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#20 D-Type

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 23:04

GPO vans came in red and green. The red ones were used for parcel delivery and the green ones for telephone repairs. They used to sell them off after about five years. So, if you were buying an ex-GPO van you would go for a green one as it had spent most of its life sitting by the side of the road while a red one would have put on a lot more miles.

#21 David Birchall

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Posted 23 July 2009 - 23:49

But they both had rubber wings (fenders) didn't they? :)


Jeez, I must be bored....

#22 dretceterini

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 05:44

The one and only jet - it's an SU Stu :wave:



Ok then; the parts number of every part of that particular SU, plus the number of rivets on every fj ever produced...individual car by car.. :p

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 08:10

Ok then; the parts number of every part of that particular SU, plus the number of rivets on every fj ever produced...individual car by car.. :p

Part number for the carby is AUD13, carb body is AUC8236, the metering needle is AUD1478 (weak = AUD1242, rich = AUD1149) needle screw is AUC2057, piston spring is AUC4387, Damper is AUC8103, Jet is AUD9098, needle and seat is WZX1100, float is WZX1300, throttle spindle is WZX1310, throttle disc is WZX1320, gasket kit is AUA66.

I will leave the rivet counting to the others. :drunk:

#24 Mistron

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 08:55

2 rivets - they hold the butterfly to the throttle spindle.

I assume it'll be an HS2 SU?

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Posted 24 July 2009 - 11:35

What is the interesting 'silvery' looking car #4 in the middle of the Sebring photo? The one in front of what looks like a Lotus 18?

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 02:26

What is the interesting 'silvery' looking car #4 in the middle of the Sebring photo?


Car #4 looks like an Elva 200 that has a distinctive tail fin. Vic Merino drove one in the Sebring race on 24 March 1961.

#27 Pedro 917

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 08:27

Well, I was a bit confused as Pedro drove a very shiny silver Cooper T56 (start # 9) and the only car that looks like it, had a driver with a white helmet (2nd row).
Then I remembered that Pedro wore a white helmet that weekend so it is Pedro (see arrow).
Ricardo Rodriguez was also on the grid and drove an Osca (start # 40 - see arrow). He finished 12th.

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 09:47

In the Sebring photo can anyone identify driver of the pale coloured Lotus 18 in midfield ??

Bearing in mind colour rendition on B&W film stock would the car be painted yellow ??

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#29 Pedro 917

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 08:33

I know there was a Mexican who drove a light blue Lotus 18.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 14:39

Pedro drove a Cooper t56 with a polished alloy body with a large Coke symbol on the nose. I'll find the picture ( SCG maybe)
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Posted 20 October 2009 - 15:38

Pedro drove a Cooper t56 with a polished alloy body with a large Coke symbol on the nose. I'll find the picture ( SCG maybe)
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This is Pedro in the Cooper at Sebring in that FJ race scanned from SCG. Though I cannot see the coke symbol.

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#32 Barry Boor

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 22:22

From way back in post # 12, Hatrat said:

#31 Paul Layman in a Sadler.


I wonder if it was this actual car:

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