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#1 potmotr

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:40

According to Jonathan Noble's Twitter feed:

Renault has been suspended from the European Grand Prix for the wheel loss suffered by Fernando Alonso

Home hero's team banned from home race...

I know it has been a tragic week for motorsport but lets get some perspective.

Wheels have fallen off racing cars as long as there has been racing.

It is certainly rarer these days, but sheesh.

Edited by potmotr, 26 July 2009 - 16:41.


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#2 MichaelPM

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:42

****ing WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Didnt see that coming...

"It means Alonso will miss his home event that takes place in Valencia next month, unless he moves to another team."
Hmmm...

#3 potmotr

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:43

So either Alonso ends up driving for Ferrari or this is successfully appealled.

I can't believe how kneejerk Formula One is sometimes.



#4 D.M.N.

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:43

Is that a joke?

#5 Ben

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:44

"It means Alonso will miss his home event that takes place in Valencia next month, unless he moves to another team."


What like Ferrari...

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#6 Jay

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:44

Holy ****

There will be mass rioting if Alonso isn't driving there...

Look out below..

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#7 primer

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:44

Are FIA at least going to be consistent about this from now on?


#8 Yellowmc

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:44

Quick, Ferrari sign him up to cover for Massa.

#9 potmotr

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:44

From Autosport

Renault has been suspended from the European Grand Prix for the events that led to a wheel coming off Fernando Alonso's car in Hungary today.

Following a post-race discussion with the stewards, it was deemed that the team had breached the regulations enough for it to be suspended from the next event.

It means Alonso will miss his home event that takes place in Valencia next month, unless he moves to another team.


http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/77354

Edited by potmotr, 26 July 2009 - 16:44.


#10 BRK

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:44

:lol:

#11 Lazy Prodigy

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:44

Formula One must be strung out with these recent wheel incidents. Shame! I hope they realize the less cars on the grid makes it less credible.

#12 aditya-now

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:45

According to Jonathan Noble's Twitter feed:

Renault has been suspended from the European Grand Prix for the wheel loss suffered by Fernando Alonso


So now we know why Flavio Briatore left the paddock already during the race. He must have been smelling it and wanted to avoid the onslaught!


#13 potmotr

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:45

Is that a joke?


Nope, was on Jonathan Noble's Twitter feed, now is dropping on the website.

#14 Harrelson

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:45

Most stupid decision ever. Alonso had to get back to pits and he wasn't even racing back

#15 primer

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:45

Is that a joke?


FIA have to go after one or two teams to create a rift in FOTA. Business as usual.

#16 fanboy

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:45

A sickenly unprofessional knee jerk reaction that only happened because of what happened to felipe massa. Another black eye for F1. Its really barely better than WWE now. Just so full of shit. A team suspended for an entire race for a tyre falling off? What about vettel driving around a whole lap with his wheel hanging off, I guess that wasnt as unsafe? just absurd.

#17 Crazy Ninja

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:45

Where does the time go? April 1st again already!!!!!

#18 MichaelPM

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:45

Are FIA at least going to be consistent about this from now on?

Until the memory of Henry Surtees and Massa's accident fades I assume.

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:45

Are FIA at least going to be consistent about this from now on?

I don't see Brawn betting banned for a race for bits falling off Rubens' car, so probably not.

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#20 jonaldinho

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:45



.......How convenient!

So Alonso shows up at his home race in a nice new red racesuit....

#21 aditya-now

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:46

From Autosport



It means Alonso will miss his home event that takes place in Valencia next month, unless he moves to another team.


http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/77354


It means Alonso might switch to Ferrari already for the European GP!

Edited by aditya-now, 26 July 2009 - 16:46.


#22 as65p

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:46

So either Alonso ends up driving for Ferrari or this is successfully appealled.

I can't believe how kneejerk Formula One is sometimes.


:up:

Still the same polemic kneejerk shit like 2005 years ago. Hilarious.

#23 Francesc

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:46

So at the end it was true that Piquet wouldn't be racing at Valencia :rotfl: :rotfl:

#24 mursuka80

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:46

Is it april fools? This is ridicoulus :mad: Wheels have come off before and no team has been banned for it.They just cant change rules on a fly.

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:46

A sickenly unprofessional knee jerk reaction that only happened because of what happened to felipe massa.


Massa? I'd say it's more a reaction based on what happened to Surtees. Flying wheels ain't very popular in motorsport right now for obvious reasons.

#26 JensonF1

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:47

If I were a Spanish Alonso fan with a ticket for Valencia I'd be asking the F1 for a refund...

#27 MichaelPM

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:47

I don't see Brawn betting banned for a race for bits falling off Rubens' car, so probably not.

Very good point

#28 Yellowmc

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:48

As for the punishment itself, it's deserved.

Given what has happened recently, Renault should have ordered Fernando to stop immediately. We have already had 1 death recently by a wheel and another serious injury from something much smaller, it's shameful for Renault to then continue along ordering Fernando to drive on with a loose wheel for god's sake.

#29 otoelpiloto

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:48

UNA PUTA MIERDA PARA LA FIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

#30 potmotr

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:48

Until the memory of Henry Surtees and Massa's accident fades I assume.


Both are extremely tragic events and every lesson should be learned from both so repeats can be prevented.

But as long as you have pitstops where pitcrews must change the wheels of racecars under extreme time pressure there is a risk of a wheel not being properly attached.

It happens all the time in almost every series.

Renault will surely have extremely strong grounds to appeal this.

And will we see Brawn suspended because a spring fell from their car?

What a joke.


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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:48

I don't see Brawn betting banned for a race for bits falling off Rubens' car, so probably not.


That was a sudden loss of a mechanical part within the bodywork.

This was a case of a loose wheel with parts falling off, stupid.

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:48

I don't see Brawn betting banned for a race for bits falling off Rubens' car, so probably not.


Yeah, but that was before.

Now its after and everyone has to be seen running around and pretending to do something about it. Even if there is no real "it" for reasonable minded people and even if there's nothing to prevent freak accidents in racing, or life in general. Doesn't matter, actions have to be taken regardless...

:yawnface:

Edited by as65p, 26 July 2009 - 16:51.


#33 D.M.N.

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:49

The Brawn incident wasn't human error, the Renault incident was.


#34 Nuvol

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:49

It means Alonso might switch to Ferrari already for the European GP!

are you stupid?

#35 otoelpiloto

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:49

If I were a Spanish Alonso fan with a ticket for Valencia I'd be asking the F1 for a refund...


of course, we are going to start a boicot right now :down: :down: :down: :down: :down:

#36 JensonF1

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:49

Massa out of the Ferrari seat for the foreseable future. Renault banned from Valencia.

Obviously a perfect storm for Alonso to join Ferrari 'early'.

Flavio leaving early with his suitcase... and we thought that was because Piquet had another rubbish race :)

#37 fanboy

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:49

Massa? I'd say it's more a reaction based on what happened to Surtees. Flying wheels ain't very popular in motorsport right now for obvious reasons.

Ye probably right and just as absurd of course. This is supposed to be a professional sport you cant regulate in such an emotive way. Its amazing the stupidity of F1 never ever ceases to amaze me. Just when you think it cant do something anymore stupid it does.

#38 potmotr

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:50

As for the punishment itself, it's deserved.

Given what has happened recently, Renault should have ordered Fernando to stop immediately.


Sure, a financial penalty or a grid penalty for Valencia, but total exclusion?

And how did Fernando or Renault know the wheel was going to come off?

They probably assumed it was loose but would be held on by the safety catch until he could get back to the pits.

Lets get some perspective here, wheels have been falling off race cars for decades.




#39 MichaelPM

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:50

The Brawn incident wasn't human error, the Renault incident was.

Last I knew they where investigating it, maybe someone put it on wrong aswell.

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#40 MegaManson

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:50

Utter madness

I would not like to be a police officer in Spain now

Completely over the top knee jerk reaction by the FIA

#41 hello86

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:50

are you stupid?


I wondered when the first one will come out with this idea :rotfl: ...the spanish and italian press will soon follow :stoned:

#42 F1 Tor.

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:51

:rotfl: Cue soap opera music and an entire month to talk about it. Ahhh, good times.



#43 AlexS

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:51

What to expect from FIA. It is rotten to the core.

#44 whitewaterMkII

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:51

What a fvcking joke.
If there was ever a race series that should fire it's sanctioning body fron top to bottom, it's F1.
I have no idea how the teams put up with this chickenshiit.

Edited by whitewaterMkII, 26 July 2009 - 16:53.


#45 OnyxF1

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:51

This action is a bit harsh and it isn't going to impress the Spaniards much, particularly those who are going to Valencia to see Alonso. It's almost like the FIA wants F1 to alienate it's fans.

Edited by OnyxF1, 26 July 2009 - 16:52.


#46 Jedi_F1

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:52

:down: :rolleyes: :evil: :confused: :down: ):

#47 BiH

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:52

very harsh decision by FIA............so with 4 weeks till next race I predict alonso in ferrari at valencia

#48 Touti

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:52

Most stupid decision ever. Alonso had to get back to pits and he wasn't even racing back



I disagree. Yes the penalty is harsh and ridiculous but Alonso didn't have to get back to the pits, what he had to do was stop asap knowing that he was gonna lose a wheel. The problem is that Renault keeping the car on track with a loose wheel is no different than Ferrari letting Kimi drive with an exhaust bouncing all over the place, how come Ferrari wasn't summoned to any meeting and wasn't suspended for the following race ?

Please don't take my comment as an accusation of favoritism toward Ferrari because it's not. I'm only saying that this penalty isn't fair considered that Ferrari wasn't suspended for doing something far more dangerous IMO.

It only shows once again that the FIA and F1 just can't get things to be equal. One more example of why the stewards should be the same for all races.

Edited by Touti, 26 July 2009 - 16:53.


#49 pRy

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:52



Any more out there? Were McLaren punished for that one?

#50 fed up

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 16:53

It was irresponsible of Alonso to drive around the track with a loose wheel. The team should have instructed him to pull over as it was very dangerous and, in light of Surtees and Massa, was perhaps a bit stupid by the team.