It looks like BMW could be out of F1 at the end of the year, after the company called an emergency press conference for tomorrow morning
Bye Bye BMW Sauber?
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 21:46
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 21:52
If true then I would expect others to follow, Renault especially. I'm surprised they haven't already.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 21:53
Thanks for the update - this is terrible news if it proves true.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 21:54
Jebus, if they chicken out, I'll sell my beemer tomorrow.
That's really disappointing. Gone without a fight ...
That's really disappointing. Gone without a fight ...
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 21:54
If true then I would expect others to follow, Renault especially. I'm surprised they haven't already.
I wonder if it is a "bye bye BMW" or a "bye bye Max F1, hello ..."
Edited by ZZMS, 28 July 2009 - 21:54.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 21:55
Jesus ****ing Christ. It would be an absolute disaster for F1 if they leave.
I hope that it's not true.
I hope that it's not true.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 21:56
bet mosley wishes he had played hardball for a bit longer now
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 21:57
it is highly likely they will exit, but there are dozens of other things it could be.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 21:57
Jesus ****ing Christ. It would be an absolute disaster for F1 if they leave.
why? bmw have done nothing for the sport really since they returned, no one will notice they are gone
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 21:58
but there are dozens of other things it could be.
Like what?
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 21:59
**** no..
Budget cap anyone?
Budget cap anyone?
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:01
Sad if they indeed would leave but hey that's FOTA here now gone tomorrow. 
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:02
Like what?
sacking of mario, partly selling to f.i virgin, concorde stuff, participation in le mans next year
I agreed all very unlikely
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:02
am not suprised they look so stupid with this season and they have all that money and its gone to waste.
Edited by Massa_f1, 28 July 2009 - 22:02.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:02
why? bmw have done nothing for the sport really since they returned, no one will notice they are gone
So being one of only 6 race winners and introducing Kubica and Vettel to F1 is doing nothing?
F1 fans will notice any team withdrawal.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:02
bet mosley wishes he had played hardball for a bit longer now
Well it's a "I told you so" from him if it turns out the decision was made at board level and is due to cost versus reward. If they do quit due to costs, it will sort of make a mockery of the whole "We don't want a budget cap" argument being put forward by the manufacturers.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:02
Jesus ****ing Christ. It would be an absolute disaster for F1 if they leave.
I hope that it's not true.
I must admit that I laughed at them when the 2009 car proved a dog, I thought it served them right after arrogantly abandoning their 2008 campaign halfway through the season. I would never have imagined things becoming so bad that they would leave, though.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:03
Speculation Alert:
Heidfeld to McLaren...
Heidfeld to McLaren...
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:04
Good ridence; they're an arrogant team that spoilt the name Sauber. Peter ran a great little team and was a man of integrity.
BMW came up and dumped Villeneuve for no good reason, they have two boring drivers who wouldn't really be missed much if they were out of F1 altogether.
Also can anyone explain why BMW road cars are so hidiously expensive? I
was recently in the market for a small family hatchback and I looked at all the options available and the basic entry level 1-series would've cost me nearly £17k!!! In the end I got a top-spec Kia Ceed for £5k less! Great sense of humour those Germans...
BMW came up and dumped Villeneuve for no good reason, they have two boring drivers who wouldn't really be missed much if they were out of F1 altogether.
Also can anyone explain why BMW road cars are so hidiously expensive? I
was recently in the market for a small family hatchback and I looked at all the options available and the basic entry level 1-series would've cost me nearly £17k!!! In the end I got a top-spec Kia Ceed for £5k less! Great sense of humour those Germans...
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:04
Oh no. That would well and truely suck. Poor old Quick Nick.
What chance Robert Kubica at Ferrari or Mclaren in 2010?
What chance Robert Kubica at Ferrari or Mclaren in 2010?
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:04
Kubica to McLaren is more likely. He has more years in him.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:05
Speculation Alert:
Heidfeld to McLaren...
good joke, dude...
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:06
Also can anyone explain why BMW road cars are so hidiously expensive? I
was recently in the market for a small family hatchback and I looked at all the options available and the basic entry level 1-series would've cost me nearly £17k!!!
So you settled for a Ferrari?
They're expensive because they're a premium brand whose build quality and performance reflect that.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:06
So being one of only 6 race winners
1 of 6? I count 7 other winning teams.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:06
Damn. I guess it's going to be easier for me to chicken out from being a BMW Sauber glory run supporter.
More seriously, this is kinda ****ed for F1. What could possibly happen to the team? Another Brawn scenario? I don't even understand how is Brawn supposed to survive for next year.
And yeah, Renault's next. I'm surprised it took half a year for another manufacturer to follow Honda.
More seriously, this is kinda ****ed for F1. What could possibly happen to the team? Another Brawn scenario? I don't even understand how is Brawn supposed to survive for next year.
And yeah, Renault's next. I'm surprised it took half a year for another manufacturer to follow Honda.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:07
So being one of only 6 race winners and introducing Kubica and Vettel to F1 is doing nothing?
F1 fans will notice any team withdrawal.
no history, bland white cars, true f1 fans won't notice and won't care even if they do, stop being so melodramatic.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:07
Good ridence; they're an arrogant team that spoilt the name Sauber. Peter ran a great little team and was a man of integrity.
BMW came up and dumped Villeneuve for no good reason, they have two boring drivers who wouldn't really be missed much if they were out of F1 altogether.
Also can anyone explain why BMW road cars are so hidiously expensive? I
was recently in the market for a small family hatchback and I looked at all the options available and the basic entry level 1-series would've cost me nearly £17k!!! In the end I got a top-spec Kia Ceed for £5k less! Great sense of humour those Germans...
yes and I am sure your Kia has the same build quality as a Beemer....
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:07
They might not have achieved their aims, but I think it´s a gross exageration to say they won´t be missed. They have a massive following in Germany.why? bmw have done nothing for the sport really since they returned, no one will notice they are gone
Personally though, I can´t say I´m suprised. The trouble is of course, it could lead to a chain reaction amoungst the manufacturer teams, Toyota and Renault being the most likely to follow suit.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:07
(BMWs) They're expensive because they're a premium brand whose build quality and performance reflect that.
worth every cent.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:07
kubica to ferrari? (I doubt Massa can race in 3 weeks time)
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:08
Good ridence; they're an arrogant team that spoilt the name Sauber. Peter ran a great little team and was a man of integrity.
BMW came up and dumped Villeneuve for no good reason, they have two boring drivers who wouldn't really be missed much if they were out of F1 altogether.
Also can anyone explain why BMW road cars are so hidiously expensive? I
was recently in the market for a small family hatchback and I looked at all the options available and the basic entry level 1-series would've cost me nearly £17k!!! In the end I got a top-spec Kia Ceed for £5k less! Great sense of humour those Germans...
I personally know a couple of members of the Sauber team, and I resent your gloating over their possible redundancy. I will try to find out what is going on, but anyone who laughs at peoples jobs being taken away are below contempt IMHO.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:08
More seriously, this is kinda ****ed for F1. What could possibly happen to the team? Another Brawn scenario? I don't even understand how is Brawn supposed to survive for next year.
hate to say it, but mosley getting those three new teams in for next year means that bmw withdrawing is not a big issue at all.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:08
no history, bland white cars, true f1 fans won't notice and won't care even if they do, stop being so melodramatic.
no you must be correct...an F1 fan wouldn't notice 18 cars instead of 20.
Have you ever even watched a GP?
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:10
no history, bland white cars, true f1 fans won't notice and won't care even if they do, stop being so melodramatic.
Obviously, you have been following F1 all of 1 year.
Check out BMW history, then realise how stupid your post is.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:10
hate to say it, but mosley getting those three new teams in for next year means that bmw withdrawing is not a big issue at all.
Yeah, who gives a crap about BMW, we've got Team America.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:10
Here is my main question, I can stomach the BMW name leaving F1 but I cannot stomach their taking the Sauber name out with them.
Peter Sauber is an excellent team owner and has been for many many years. In my book (though he does not have the same results...) I put him in the same category as Frank Williams. Sure he never dominated the sport but it means a lot (IMO) to not only survive for many many years as an independent but to always be respected and capable of fighting from the middle of the grid up into the points. I don't ever remember Sauber being spectacular, but I don't ever remember them being on the last 2 rows of the grid.
Anybody have any idea what will happen to the Sauber team/eqipment/facilities etc etc?
Peter Sauber is an excellent team owner and has been for many many years. In my book (though he does not have the same results...) I put him in the same category as Frank Williams. Sure he never dominated the sport but it means a lot (IMO) to not only survive for many many years as an independent but to always be respected and capable of fighting from the middle of the grid up into the points. I don't ever remember Sauber being spectacular, but I don't ever remember them being on the last 2 rows of the grid.
Anybody have any idea what will happen to the Sauber team/eqipment/facilities etc etc?
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:11
We have new teams coming in next season. BMW will not be missed, honestly, they won a single race which was down to pure luck and since them abandonded development to focus on 09, fat lot of good that did. As long as Kubica stays in F1, I'm not bothered what happens to BMW.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:12
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This is exactly why I supported the FIA against FOTA all along. A sport controlled and run by the teams wouldn't last 10 minutes.
This is exactly why I supported the FIA against FOTA all along. A sport controlled and run by the teams wouldn't last 10 minutes.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:12
Yeah, who gives a crap about BMW, we've got Team America.
yeah take a dig at the most serious outfit of the 3 new ones because you have a chip on your shoulder against Americans... Don't take a dig at the 2 hangers on that crawled out of the woodwork when a budget cap idea came up...
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:12
I'm sure my Kia has better build quality, otherwise why does Kia give me 7 year warranty compared to 3 with the BMW?yes and I am sure your Kia has the same build quality as a Beemer....
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:13
That is seriously bad news.
BMW are my favourite team along with McLaren.
And they have Quick Nick driving for them.
I've always liked BMW's progress toward the front through 2006 then 2007 then 2008.
Sure, this year hasn't gone great because the team thought KERS was a good decision.
They were wrong and it has ruined their season.
But they could easily be back next year.
A real blow.
BMW are my favourite team along with McLaren.
And they have Quick Nick driving for them.
I've always liked BMW's progress toward the front through 2006 then 2007 then 2008.
Sure, this year hasn't gone great because the team thought KERS was a good decision.
They were wrong and it has ruined their season.
But they could easily be back next year.
A real blow.
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I'm sure my Kia has better build quality, otherwise why does Kia give me 7 year warranty compared to 3 with the BMW?
riiight....keep on deluding yourself
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:13
What a lousy attitude.
I think most real F1 fans would be sad to see this team go. Despite this one bad season, they've shown to be very promising.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:13
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This is exactly why I supported the FIA against FOTA all along. A sport controlled and run by the teams wouldn't last 10 minutes.
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Posted 28 July 2009 - 22:13
That is seriously bad news.
BMW are my favourite team along with McLaren.
And they have Quick Nick driving for them.
I've always liked BMW's progress toward the front through 2006 then 2007 then 2008.
Sure, this year hasn't gone great because the team thought KERS was a good decision.
They were wrong and it has ruined their season.
But they could easily be back next year.
A real blow.
nothing is official yet my friend, though I agree with your sentiment.
