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#1 D.M.N.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 17:28

I can't help but create this thread now we know it is confirmed - seeing Schumi and Hamilton racing each other, even if it just happens to be a few overtakes or side-by-sides here and there - it'll be magical! :clap:

Seeing as the McLaren is back competitive and seeing as Schumi will be near the front I'd imagine - I think chances are we will see them race each other at some point in the near future.

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#2 raiseyourfistfor

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 17:29

There will be fireworks at the starts

Edited by raiseyourfistfor, 29 July 2009 - 17:29.


#3 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 17:30

One wonders how many of the uber Lewis haters are Schumi fans and vice versa.... this thread could be tasty.

#4 MegaManson

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 17:53

I hate Lewis and admire Schumi but sadly after so long out its a no contest, Hamilton will wipe the floor with Schumi :(

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 17:54

One wonders how many of the uber Lewis haters are Schumi fans and vice versa.... this thread could be tasty.


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#6 Anomnader

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 17:55

One wonders how many of the uber Lewis haters are Schumi fans and vice versa.... this thread could be tasty.


I wonder how many posts we will get to before it gets daft. All I'll say is, there will be interesting races ahead

Edited by Anomnader, 29 July 2009 - 17:56.


#7 salamin

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 17:56

comparsion is only with kimi possible

Edited by salamin, 29 July 2009 - 17:59.


#8 P123

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 17:58

We're in for some tasty races now that McLaren have improved and Hamilton has the possibility to get in among the championship contenders. Schumacher is just added spice to that mix.

#9 rileyl

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 17:58

No Matter, the Lewis VS MS VS Kimi race would be much better than Button VS Webber!

#10 Jay

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 17:58

Lewis should rip the dude apart....

It's gonna get messy when the lights go out, "for sure" :clap:

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#11 The Ragged Edge

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 17:59

There will be fireworks at the starts


THE START LINE CHOP! The sequal. :eek:

#12 JensonF1

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 17:59

Lewis will chop, Schumi will chop, but it'll end up being a great race if they get round the first corner intact!!

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 18:05

wouldnt it be great if all of a sudden everybody gave them both the respect they deserve as outstanding racing drivers with more talent than any of us have in their little fingers..wouldnt it be nice if we could just sit back and enjoy the show...
ok, i'll shut up

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#14 P123

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 18:08

wouldnt it be great if all of a sudden everybody gave them both the respect they deserve as outstanding racing drivers with more talent than any of us have in our little fingers..wouldnt it be nice if we could just sit back and enjoy the show...
ok, i'll shut up


Shhh- you will kill this thread!

If Red Bull maintain their advantage and Brawn return to form the two of the m could be racing for the scraps...

#15 mountford

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 18:09

There will be fireworks at the starts


And all out WAR on the internet!

#16 Calorus

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 18:11

Shhh- you will kill this thread!

If Red Bull maintain their advantage and Brawn return to form the two of the m could be racing for the scraps...


Can you imagine how long it'd take to close the gap if none of the Red Bulls or Brawns can finish higher than 3rd?

#17 Alonzo

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 18:56

Firstly to correct some people afirmations, Mclaren didn't improve massively. The car has been good on slow corners since Australia, so Germany and Hungary which are almost only done with low speed in corners favours the Woking team.

In Valencia, Mclaren will do good, and probably the same for Ferrari , but in Spa Mclaren will be pathetic again and Hamilton will need binoculars to see Michael's Ferrari(who will need binoculars to see RBRs).

Since Valencia doesn't provide overtaking opportunities and in Spa they will be separated by a large gap, I don't see them fighting directly in the next 2 races.

#18 rodlamas

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:05

Firstly to correct some people afirmations, Mclaren didn't improve massively. The car has been good on slow corners since Australia, so Germany and Hungary which are almost only done with low speed in corners favours the Woking team.

In Valencia, Mclaren will do good, and probably the same for Ferrari , but in Spa Mclaren will be pathetic again and Hamilton will need binoculars to see Michael's Ferrari(who will need binoculars to see RBRs).

Since Valencia doesn't provide overtaking opportunities and in Spa they will be separated by a large gap, I don't see them fighting directly in the next 2 races.


BS maximum level exceeded :lol:

#19 D.M.N.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:06

What makes you think in Spa McLaren will be pathetic?

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#20 mkay

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:11

Firstly to correct some people afirmations, Mclaren didn't improve massively. The car has been good on slow corners since Australia, so Germany and Hungary which are almost only done with low speed in corners favours the Woking team.

In Valencia, Mclaren will do good, and probably the same for Ferrari , but in Spa Mclaren will be pathetic again and Hamilton will need binoculars to see Michael's Ferrari(who will need binoculars to see RBRs).

Since Valencia doesn't provide overtaking opportunities and in Spa they will be separated by a large gap, I don't see them fighting directly in the next 2 races.


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The MP4-24 was one of the fastest car in the faster corners in Germany.

They have improved A LOT. I think you are undermining the fact that Lewis was untouchable during the race in Hungary.
Yes, they were going to perform well in Hungary (new parts or not), but not THAT well. The car manages its tyres pretty well and new parts will be brought in Valencia and maybe beyond.

You also seem to forget that Hungary is more of a driver's track, where the driver's input is key to a victory. Spa is a bit like this as well.

Lastly, you are forgetting the fact that Valencia, Spa and Monza are good KERS tracks.

Edited by mkay, 29 July 2009 - 19:14.


#21 Andy35

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:16

Why should this go down hill? Both are very similar, very talented, quite ruthless and have a reputation, probably not deserved, of being a bit arrogant.

I would have loved to see more of Schumacher v Senna but sadly that was never to be, I always felt a bit sad to be honest, missing out on perhaps a long running titanic clash. This doesn't make up for that but it is in the same mold and it will be very interesting indeed if they do end up wheel to wheel. Neither have been known for giving much quarter and they don't have the championship at stake.

Hamilton is one of the top 3 drivers in F1 today so it will be very interesting to see how he does against the top driver of his day.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:22

Firstly to correct some people afirmations, Mclaren didn't improve massively. The car has been good on slow corners since Australia, so Germany and Hungary which are almost only done with low speed in corners favours the Woking team.

In Valencia, Mclaren will do good, and probably the same for Ferrari , but in Spa Mclaren will be pathetic again and Hamilton will need binoculars to see Michael's Ferrari(who will need binoculars to see RBRs).

Since Valencia doesn't provide overtaking opportunities and in Spa they will be separated by a large gap, I don't see them fighting directly in the next 2 races.


i really dont have words for this.

.u should prolly start following another sport

...a simpler sport...

#23 Greem

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:26

Hmmm... my heart is telling me that Hamilton will wipe the floor with Schumacher, but my head is being irritatingly conservative (with a small 'c') and is telling me that it's likely to be a lot closer than it might otherwise be.
I reckon his return will make a lot of drivers raise their game. But not all - who will get left behind, if not Schumacher himself?

#24 Demo.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:37

its all ifs and buts.
In the end it needs them both to be about the same when it comes to Q3 and in an ideal world for them to be 1 and 2 on the start line then for them both to get round the first corner and then the two cars to be on simular fuel stratergies not to mention performance.
Then we could be in for a great race or....
they are both hopeless in Q3 end up 9th and 10th and once again both make it round the first corner and then we get to watch them dice it up the field.
Either way as long as they are close and both get round the first corner we could well have a great race but far more likely is that they are a number of positions apart and never get to race head to head.
lets just wait and see anyone for lewis smoked shumi :clap: :clap:

#25 JarnoA

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:41

i really dont have words for this.

.u should prolly start following another sport

...a simpler sport...


The crux of what he is saying is correct. Hungary is the closest to Monaco of any track. In Monaco, Lewis had the speed to win, but crashed. This was before the magical upgrades. In Turkey, one race later, he set the 15th fastest lap. Anyone who believes that Lewis will be able to turn up at the remaining tracks and look like he did in Hungary really should follow a simpler sport. These cars are so track dependent that all that can be said is Lewis has made a step forward since Monaco, (ie. he didn't crash), and McLaren has made a step forward, (they can probably aim to consistently get both drivers into Q3). To expect them to suddenly be RBR and Brawn beaters is unrealistic.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:44

They'll chop each other and do a Zuber-Glock-at-Magny-Cours.



No, seriously, I hope they go wheel-to-wheel at some point, that would be awesome.

Edited by paranoik0, 29 July 2009 - 19:45.


#27 Seanspeed

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:46

comparsion is only with kimi possible

Thats what I'm thinking.

The Mclaren is looking to be the better car at the moment anyway.

#28 Alonzo

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:47

Sorry for the off-topic, but:

grunge, mkay, rodlamas

I'm not the one stupid here. You guys are oviously Mclaren fanboys who don't understand about motoracing. Probably the whole technical knowledge that involves F1 is too complex for you, so I expect you to be deluded by Hungary's performance.

"he MP4-24 was one of the fastest car in the faster corners in Germany. "

To that happen, Nurburgring would need faster corners. :rotfl: Man, I can't believe this kind of people posts here.

There are only 2 medium corners and one fast chicane which is flat out for all cars, and more, there is no way to know how fast each car was in that medium speed corners.

But I don't want waste my time discussing with fanboys who doesn't undertand technical stuff. Let's make a bet:

I claim Mclaren will be slower than the following cars in Spa's Q2 and/or(if you like) Q3 fuel adjusted: RBR, Brawn, Williams

If that doesn't occur, I receive a 1 month ban, if that occurs then the forum has 1 month free of your posts.

Accept it?

Edited by Alonzo, 29 July 2009 - 21:25.


#29 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:47

The crux of what he is saying is correct. Hungary is the closest to Monaco of any track. In Monaco, Lewis had the speed to win, but crashed. This was before the magical upgrades. In Turkey, one race later, he set the 15th fastest lap. Anyone who believes that Lewis will be able to turn up at the remaining tracks and look like he did in Hungary really should follow a simpler sport.


His point was that the car was fast in Germany as well, so yes it can perform on faster tracks.

Edited by wewantourdarbyback, 29 July 2009 - 19:47.


#30 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:50

Sorry for the off-topic, but:

grunge, mkay, rodlamas

I'm not the one stupid here. You guys are oviously Mclaren fanboys who don't understand about motoracing. Probably the whole technical knowledge that involves F1 is too complex for you, so I expect you to be deluded by Hungary's performance.


No, you really cannot predict how they will go with the amount of development on the car, the Nurburgring is very different to Monaco and Hungary and the Mac performed well there, who knows how it will perform at the faster tracks.

And I'm a Williams fan, you don't have to be a Mac fanboy to think they may well be fast.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:58

Firstly to correct some people afirmations, Mclaren didn't improve massively. The car has been good on slow corners since Australia, so Germany and Hungary which are almost only done with low speed in corners favours the Woking team.

In Valencia, Mclaren will do good, and probably the same for Ferrari , but in Spa Mclaren will be pathetic again and Hamilton will need binoculars to see Michael's Ferrari(who will need binoculars to see RBRs).

Since Valencia doesn't provide overtaking opportunities and in Spa they will be separated by a large gap, I don't see them fighting directly in the next 2 races.

Yes, Hungary played to Mclaren's known strengths, but I think you're ignoring the fact that they seem to have 'fixed' their rear downforce problem and their car is most certainly a lot better overall than it was before. Look at the apex speeds from the past two races. They are not down miserably like they were before.

Basically, it looks as though the car is truly transformed. I wouldn't be surprised to see them fighting for more podiums and wins.

Oh yea, and I'm not a Mclaren fan, but a Ferrari fan.

Edited by Seanspeed, 29 July 2009 - 20:00.


#32 Seanspeed

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:59

Sorry for the off-topic, but:

grunge, mkay, rodlamas

I'm not the one stupid here. You guys are oviously Mclaren fanboys who don't understand about motoracing. Probably the whole technical knowledge that involves F1 is too complex for you, so I expect you to be deluded by Hungary's performance.

"he MP4-24 was one of the fastest car in the faster corners in Germany. "

To that happen, Nurburgring would need faster corners. :rotfl: Man, I can't believe this kind of people posts here.

There are only 2 medium corners and one fast chicane which is flat out for all cars, and more, there is no way to know how fast each car was in that medium speed corners.

Your brains are remarkable! :lol:

But I don't want waste my time discussing with fanboys who doesn't undertand technical stuff. Let's make a bet:

I claim Mclaren will be slower than the following cars in Spa's Q2 and/or(if you like) Q3 fuel adjusted: RBR, Brawn, Williams, Ferrari and Toyota.

If that doesn't occur, I receive a 1 month ban, if that occurs then the forum has 1 month free of your posts.

Accept it?

A little arrogant, aren't ya?

#33 Alonzo

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:00

His point was that the car was fast in Germany as well, so yes it can perform on faster tracks.


Nurburgring is faster on average speed because it has longer straights, but in terms of corners, Hungaroring has even more medium speed ones.

Only in Spa and Suzuka , where the majority of corners are medium/high speed taken, we will see again Mclaren poor downforce putting them back in the grid.

In Hungaroring, comparing Alonso's, Webber and Kovalainen's onboard with speedmeter, one could easily how Mclaren is slow in corners that depends on aerodynamics.

A little arrogant, aren't ya?


No, F1 is too complex for me, I'm stupid.

If they are the smart boys and think by their knowledge that Mclaren improved enough aerodynamically, so they may bet and ban me for a month.


Edited by Alonzo, 29 July 2009 - 20:04.


#34 rolf123

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:03

Who cares about Schumi vs Lewis except for Lewis fanboys?

The cars are not even comparable anymore. Lewis is barely a footnote in F1 history. Schumi is the greatest (I know, arguable).


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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:04

Who cares about Schumi vs Lewis except for Lewis fanboys?

Yea, pretty much. :lol:

Edited by Seanspeed, 29 July 2009 - 20:09.


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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:09

Great! They will both will go for it as they have nothing to lose!

@rolf123, As you know Lewis has only small footnotes: one of them is the youngest F1 champion so far record and he might take the Schumi 7 x WC record. :p

Long time ago that we can look forward to a next GP!





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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:10

His point was that the car was fast in Germany as well, so yes it can perform on faster tracks.


It was fast in Germany. Still doesn't show the high speed corner performance, and regardless of wheel breaking incidents, there is no way on this planet that Lewis could have won in Germany. RBR, or in particular, Webber was on a different planet. Even if Lewis got ahead at turn 1, he would have been beaten in the pits by both Webber and Vettel. He MAY have been able to get a podium in place of Massa, but that is debatable.


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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:13

@rolf123, As you know Lewis has only small footnotes: one of them is the youngest F1 champion so far record and he might take the Schumi 7 x WC record. :p


He DEFINITELY won't get the youngest double world champion spot though. :p


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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:18

I think this thread should be called Schumi vs Button. And I can't see Hamiltons (youngest champion) record extending beyond this season, Schumi will ensure Vettel wins the title. Tin hat and outrageous cynic at your service. :wave:

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#40 Alonzo

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:26

Look at the apex speeds from the past two races. They are not down miserably like they were before.


In Nurburgring, the apex speed shown was in the fast chicane which is easily flat out for every car in F1. Ferrari's had the fastest speed there probably due to Kers and therefore higher acceleration and so achieving more speed in that corner.

In HUngary, the apex speed shown was from the slow chincane done at aprox 100Km/h, so that only reveal mechinal grip qualities.



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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:26

Schumi will ensure Vettel wins the title. Tin hat and outrageous cynic at your service. :wave:


That'll be clever off him, whats he going to do, ram everyone of the road who is in front of Vettel? and I don't think Ferrari will be too please with your scenario.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:26

Pedro de la Rosa talked during last race about improvements in the MC.
He said they gained 0.7secs for the Ring and 0.3 for the Hungaroring.
Maybe a bit optimistic, but the updates worked extremely well.
Now the Mc is the second best car. (but i won´t bet a 1 month forum ban) :)

Edited by danii, 29 July 2009 - 20:27.


#43 Lewis

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:29

haha. :rotfl: I can live with Vettel taking that record, Lewis still has many more records.

But is it not a bit short for Schumi to become fit for Valencia?

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:35

Lewis is barely a footnote in F1 history.


May I please have the recipe for what you are on? I would like to make a giant fortune selling it to the weak willed of this planet.

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:40

May I please have the recipe for what you are on? I would like to make a giant fortune selling it to the weak willed of this planet.


I'd hazard a guess that he starts off with some Ergotamine Tartrate.

#46 werks prototype

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:41

That'll be clever off him, whats he going to do, ram everyone of the road who is in front of Vettel? and I don't think Ferrari will be too please with your scenario.


:drunk: I'm only joking. I'm like everyone else and waiting to savour the aesthetic of the commentary. "And Hamilton has got away well, but so has Schumacher" There is something wrong about the whole thing though Isn't there? It's just a bit weird, a bit videogame-ish? Ali vs Tyson.

Edited by werks prototype, 29 July 2009 - 20:42.


#47 Lewis

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:42

lol. you guys all have good humor! much better then on other forum! :p

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:43

Hamilton is one of the best driver ever but he is still young so he did a lot of mistakes. He has a lot more to learn but considering what he has done so far after only three years in Formula 1, I never doubt that he would break the 7 times WDC record.

#49 P123

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:44

Thats what I'm thinking.

The Mclaren is looking to be the better car at the moment anyway.


Absolutley- in Valencia the Ferrari will be the worst car ever to have graced F1. The McLaren will be at least 4s faster but Schumacher will make up the difference.  ;)

#50 abc

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 20:53

They'll chop each other and do a Zuber-Glock-at-Magny-Cours.



No, seriously, I hope they go wheel-to-wheel at some point, that would be awesome.

That video is kiling me, seriously :rotfl: