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#1 Kenaltgr

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 21:49

Alan Hendry
It wasn't meant to happen, that was until Ferrari gave in to Willi Weber's demands. Weber and Schumacher would only sign to drive for the remainder of the season if Michael had the same terms he enjoyed before he retired. Simply put, the focus of the team for the remaining 7 races will centre on Michael. As Weber told the press "Ferrari had nothing to lose". You can see his point, Kimi Raikkonen is out of the title race, it is even uncertain if he will be driving for Ferrari next year. The 2009 season has been a write-off for the Scuderia thus far; they have not won a single race and look unlikely to win for the remainder of the season.
The interesting part is how Raikkonen handles this new situation. It is certainly unfair on him to have another driver take the main focus of the team, which is different to how he operated with Massa, but his lacklustre performances have certainly not made Ferrari’s decision difficult. Kimi’s manager, David Robertson, made it clear in 2006 that Schumacher‘s conditions were the stumbling block to Kimi driving with Schumacher at Ferrari in 2007. The latest news makes it difficult to see Kimi driving anything but a rally car in 2010, preceding a large payout from Ferrari for the last year of his contract.


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#2 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 21:50

blah blah blah

#3 JPW

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 21:51

yawn kenalt :down:

#4 JRUK

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 21:52

This is completely conclusive and reliable and not at all some trashy piece of tabloid journalism forming conclusions out of guesswork.

Edited by JRUK, 29 July 2009 - 21:52.


#5 Yellowmc

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 21:53

Where is this from?

#6 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 21:53

Where is this from?

www.official.com :rotfl:

#7 Kenaltgr

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 21:54

It is sad but Kimi is out at the end of the year. Does anyone think Willie Weber and Schumacher would sign to drive for the remainder of the year unless they had what they wanted. It's how Weber has operated for Schumacher's entire F1 career.

Edited by Kenaltgr, 29 July 2009 - 21:56.


#8 FlatOverCrest

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 21:55

What a load of Kack!

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#9 grunge

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 21:55

It is said but Kimi is out at the end of the year. Does anyone think Willie Weber and Schumacher would sign to drive for the remainder of the year unless they had what they wanted. It's how Weber has operated for Schumacher's entire F1 career.

dude atleast give a source/link to support your story

#10 Rinehart

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 21:56

MS is 40, hasn't raced an F1 car for 2 years, this car ever, these regulations ever, Valencia ever, he's done his neck in and racing in F1 again wasn't even a thought until 2 days ago.

And Kimi fans still want to set up an excuse before a wheel has turned????????????

#11 Raelene

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 21:57

thanks for the official announcement. Can you please also link us to the press release on this from Ferrari

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#12 Kenaltgr

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 21:57

MS is 40, hasn't raced an F1 car for 2 years, this car ever, these regulations ever, Valencia ever, he's done his neck in and racing in F1 again wasn't even a thought until 2 days ago.

And Kimi fans still want to set up an excuse before a wheel has turned????????????



Mansell didn't race in f1 from 1992 - 1994, two years, he came back at age 41, got pole position and won the race. Not bad for a fat out of shape 41 year old Mansell.

Edited by Kenaltgr, 29 July 2009 - 22:07.


#13 P123

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 21:57

I think the F1 journo is actually Alan Henry, so it's a fail at the first line.

#14 Yellowmc

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 21:58

And Kimi fans still want to set up an excuse before a wheel has turned????????????


Don't start.

Don't say Kimi fans without isolating the person you refer to.

#15 JensonF1

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 21:59

What a load of Kack!

:down:


Not really.

Alan Henry is a decent F1 scribe. Kimi is out at the end of the year, is demotivated and performing badly. To concentrate on Schumacher once again will give the new era Ferrari a massive moral boost.

This move is as much about team moral as it is about filling in for an injured Massa.

#16 engel

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 22:02

alonso will be number 1, Schumacher number 3 and kimi will just get them icecreams

number 2 was retired to honor rubens


(yawn)

#17 Scudetto

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 22:03

Alan Henry is a decent F1 scribe.


And so where did Alan Henry scribe the article? It's certainly not part of his blog about Schumacher on the Guardian site today.

#18 giacomo

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 22:03

The Schumacher comeback seriously scares the shit out of his haters here. Excuses all over the place, just in case that he might do well.

#19 MPea3

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 22:04

Don't give him a hard time guys. He's not the only one on this board that can't tell the difference between a speculative conclusion and a fact.

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#20 Yellowmc

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 22:06

To concentrate on Schumacher once again will give the new era Ferrari a massive moral boost.


Doesn't work. The whole idea of a new era Ferrari was to separate itself from Schumacher and co. It has moved on, won WDC's and WCC's on it's own and the only reason MS is in the Ferrari now is that there are no better options, be it commercially or on the track.


#21 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 22:06

Don't start.

Don't say Kimi fans without isolating the person you refer to.

I agree, calling "kimi fans" just because of him is very unfair.



Not really.

Alan Henry is a decent F1 scribe. Kimi is out at the end of the year, is demotivated and performing badly. To concentrate on Schumacher once again will give the new era Ferrari a massive moral boost.

This move is as much about team moral as it is about filling in for an injured Massa.

yeap. i think this has also got something to do with fota vs fia :down:



it's just bs. or looking for excuses early on, even if there is no need for them and maybe there will never be

#22 Kenaltgr

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 22:06

I think the F1 journo is actually Alan Henry, so it's a fail at the first line.


Alan Henry is a british journalist, Alan Hendry is American, I copied the extract from Usenet it was taken from US racing.

#23 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 22:07

The Schumacher comeback seriously scares the shit out of his haters here. Excuses all over the place, just in case that he might do well.

even if they hate him they all know he will do well
maybe frans doesn't but he's actually cute......Forza Jos, Frans :wave:

#24 Scudetto

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 22:09

Alan Henry is a british journalist, Alan Hendry is American, I copied the extract from Usenet it was taken from US racing.


Ah, well, in that case we're clearly getting the straight poop from a man obviously at the epicenter of negotiations between Ferrari and Schumacher. :well:

#25 Kenaltgr

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 22:11

Doesn't work. The whole idea of a new era Ferrari was to separate itself from Schumacher and co. It has moved on, won WDC's and WCC's on it's own and the only reason MS is in the Ferrari now is that there are no better options, be it commercially or on the track.



Kimi is out of Ferrari on 2010. He has 7 races left, Schumacher had 7 races left, Ferrari have nothing to lose. They have not won a race so far this year with Kimi. If you think at age 40 Shumacher and his manager Willi Weber would come back to F1 under condition which he has never previously raced (equal treament as his teammte) you need to see a psychiatrist.

Edited by Kenaltgr, 29 July 2009 - 22:14.


#26 BRK

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 22:12

I wish these journos would at least wait until he actually got back in the car before the bashfest began.

#27 engel

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 22:29

Kimi is out of Ferrari on 2010. He has 7 races left, Schumacher had 7 races left, Ferrari have nothing to lose. They have not won a race so far this year with Kimi. If you think at age 40 Shumacher and his manager Willi Weber would come back to F1 under condition which he has never previously raced (equal treament as his teammte) you need to see a psychiatrist.


Actually Kimi has a contract for 2010, unless obviously you decided to cancel it

PS the only Alan Henry I 've heard of is this guy -> http://www.guardian....ofile/alanhenry
Whoever that American dude you 're quoting is, I ve never heard of him, how is he related to F1?

Edited by engel, 29 July 2009 - 22:31.


#28 Raelene

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 22:38

Whoever that American dude you 're quoting is, I ve never heard of him, how is he related to F1?


I'd like an answere to that as well - I googled him and couldnt' find anything related to the post presented in this thread. In fact could hardly find any info on this Alan Hendry

Edited by Raelene, 29 July 2009 - 22:40.


#29 Menace

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 22:46

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :yawnface:

#30 MinardiRuled

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 22:51

So the Raikkonnen fans are already making excuses just in case Kimi's slower than Schumacher? :rotfl:

#31 onemoresolo

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 22:56

Kimi is out of Ferrari on 2010. He has 7 races left, Schumacher had 7 races left, Ferrari have nothing to lose. They have not won a race so far this year with Kimi. If you think at age 40 Shumacher and his manager Willi Weber would come back to F1 under condition which he has never previously raced (equal treament as his teammte) you need to see a psychiatrist.


How about 1999 when he played the role of Eddie Irvine's number 2? A role he filled very well, I may add. So that's utter cack.

#32 Kenaltgr

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 23:13

Actually Kimi has a contract for 2010, unless obviously you decided to cancel it

PS the only Alan Henry I 've heard of is this guy -> http://www.guardian....ofile/alanhenry
Whoever that American dude you 're quoting is, I ve never heard of him, how is he related to F1?


Yeah he's American, so that makes him dumb and means he can't understand F1, right. Bigotry based on nationality alive and well on this forum.

#33 Niro

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 23:16

Funny how people get excited about seeing MS vs Hammy or MS vs Vettel. Dudes, Ferrari is no match for those cars, and Schumi knows it. He's back for one reason and one reason only. He's won it all - there's only one naggering thing left and he's already made sure the job get's done. You'll see the result soon.

#34 maverick69

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 23:16

Yeah he's American, so that makes him dumb and means he can't understand F1, right. Bigotry based on nationality alive and well on this forum.


Eh? Where the hell did the poster indicate that lot of rubbish?

#35 reason42

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 23:18

blah blah blah

LMAO.

Got to get me some T shirts with this printed on it!

#36 Arska

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 23:19

People, please don't feed this troll called Kenaltgr.

#37 Odvan

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 23:20

Kimi is out at the end of the year, is demotivated and performing badly.

Just curious - where exactly?

F60 isn't winning car - where was Ferrari with MS in 2005? We don't have Michelen and Indy this year. Sorry.

I suppose it's mass craziness.

#38 engel

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 23:21

Yeah he's American, so that makes him dumb and means he can't understand F1, right. Bigotry based on nationality alive and well on this forum.



Um the fact I never heard of him makes his opinion irrelevant, not his nationality. Unless of course you can link us his articles, magazines he works for, credentials, whatever ... fact he's not even googlable isn't really helping your case either

#39 SupraDupra

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 23:21

Pure speculation. I doubt this guy has any connection who would be privy to such information.

And who wants to see MS just cruising around as the golden boy? I for one want to see him race everyone including his teammate!

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Posted 29 July 2009 - 23:22

Just curious - where exactly?

F60 isn't winning car - where was Ferrari with MS in 2005? We don't have Michelen and Indy this year. Sorry.

I suppose it's massa craziness.


You lost an 'a' so I corrected you.

#41 Turbo4

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 04:28

At the end of the day, if Kimi doesn't absolutely wipe the floor with Michael Schumacher given the multitude of advantages he has over the 40 year old former champion, it will just prove what many have suspected for years about Kimi: wrong guy, right place, right time.

#42 jimm

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 04:33

Mansell didn't race in f1 from 1992 - 1994, two years, he came back at age 41, got pole position and won the race. Not bad for a fat out of shape 41 year old Mansell.



He qualified well but was not in shape to push the whole race and that was after being in CART for the 2 years he was out of F1. His race win was after Hill and MS crashed and after he had been blown off by both.

Hill, who does not get the credit he deserves, blew Mansell away every race they competed together.

If Schumacher comes in and does substantually better than Kimi, it would be very impressive and I am far from his (schumacher) biggest fan.

#43 Schuperman

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 05:53

Mansell didn't race in f1 from 1992 - 1994, two years, he came back at age 41, got pole position and won the race. Not bad for a fat out of shape 41 year old Mansell.


Get your facts right first.

1992 - Dominated and went on to win his F1 WDC deservedly.

1993 - CART Champion at his first attempt.



#44 gaston_foix

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 06:05

IMO, it is the first time when Shumi will not be NO. 1. What is the reason to be, really?

#45 Rinehart

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 08:26

Don't start.

Don't say Kimi fans without isolating the person you refer to.


Or what?

#46 sreevishnu

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 10:28

SOUR GRAPES :p


#47 Dolph

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 10:34

Mansell didn't race in f1 from 1992 - 1994, two years, he came back at age 41, got pole position and won the race. Not bad for a fat out of shape 41 year old Mansell.




He raced in CART in 1993 and 1994. Get a clue!

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#48 brabhamBT19

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 10:35

trolls are supposed to be fun, you know

#49 Dolph

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 10:37

I think the F1 journo is actually Alan Henry, so it's a fail at the first line.


Alan Henry is a british journalist, Alan Hendry is American, I copied the extract from Usenet it was taken from US racing.



P123 just got owned :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#50 Frans

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 11:05

of course Kimi will be degraded by team schumacher now. Poor duude, he has had been sabotaged by Schumacher for several seasons now, and now Michael also takes at all.... again, like he always did....

I am 100% certain Kimi will get lesser material and lesser suport from the team, and will get the lesser strategy's plus he will be asked to let MS pass in the races to come .... mark these words.