Jump to content


Photo

'Motor Sport' magazine


  • This topic is locked This topic is locked
4174 replies to this topic

#701 mercw125

mercw125
  • Member

  • 32 posts
  • Joined: July 05

Posted 15 September 2005 - 08:35

Back OT. I received my copy of Motor Sport yesterday to be greeted with the announcement that the cover price is going up to £4.95 and I really do have to wonder why?

I am , I'm afraid , at that moment in life now where I have to really think "is it worth it?".

I know it's only about the cost of a gallon of petrol but when you start to add up the increases in everything across the board for us poor Joes some things do start to take on the look of a luxury item.

Advertisement

#702 Vitesse2

Vitesse2
  • Nostalgia Forum Moderator

  • 24,514 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 15 September 2005 - 08:56

Originally posted by mercw125
Back OT. I received my copy of Motor Sport yesterday to be greeted with the announcement that the cover price is going up to £4.95 and I really do have to wonder why?

I am , I'm afraid , at that moment in life now where I have to really think "is it worth it?".

I know it's only about the cost of a gallon of petrol but when you start to add up the increases in everything across the board for us poor Joes some things do start to take on the look of a luxury item.

In the great scheme of things, motoring magazines generally are not doing well. The last tranche of circulation figures a few weeks ago showed some very steep drops. Only BBC Top Gear showed a decent increase, but most of the others which reported (not Motor Sport or Autosport, before you ask) had lost readers. Especially badly affected were the "boy racer" monthlies, which used to maintain circulation by printing pictures and posters of naked or semi-naked young ladies. Then Zoo and Nuts arrived and the sweaty-palmed lads who used to buy Max Power "for the cool cars" :rolleyes: suddenly discovered they could get more nudity four times as often for the same amount of money.

So, in order to maintain revenue and quality, they need to increase cover prices. Motoring is not a "sexy" category and circulations don't hold a candle to (say) women's glossies, which is where all the marketing money goes. Add in the price wars in TV weeklies and women's weeklies and the bean counters start looking elsewhere to get their money ..... :

#703 Rob29

Rob29
  • Member

  • 3,128 posts
  • Joined: January 01

Posted 15 September 2005 - 11:20

Just received October issue,and yes it IS worth it! Will be dropping the other (weekly) Haymarket rubbish first.

#704 RTH

RTH
  • Member

  • 5,742 posts
  • Joined: January 03

Posted 15 September 2005 - 11:57

A fiver for a monthly magazine - that is bound to cost circulation and the second price rise in 6 months from £4.30 to £4.95 that is 15 % when governments declared national rate of inflation that all tax thresholds/benefits etc are based on, is at most 2.4 % PER YEAR.

I dropped all other Haymarket publications some time ago after buying all MN & AS copies for 40 years

#705 subh

subh
  • Member

  • 1,025 posts
  • Joined: July 04

Posted 15 September 2005 - 12:00

What a shame that the MCN Sport magazine has been discontinued.

#706 RTH

RTH
  • Member

  • 5,742 posts
  • Joined: January 03

Posted 15 September 2005 - 16:10

Originally posted by Vitesse2

In the great scheme of things, motoring magazines generally are not doing well. The last tranche of circulation figures a few weeks ago showed some very steep drops. Only BBC Top Gear showed a decent increase, but most of the others which reported (not Motor Sport or Autosport, before you ask) had lost readers. Especially badly affected were the "boy racer" monthlies, which used to maintain circulation by printing pictures and posters of naked or semi-naked young ladies. Then Zoo and Nuts arrived and the sweaty-palmed lads who used to buy Max Power "for the cool cars" :rolleyes: suddenly discovered they could get more nudity four times as often for the same amount of money.

So, in order to maintain revenue and quality, they need to increase cover prices. Motoring is not a "sexy" category and circulations don't hold a candle to (say) women's glossies, which is where all the marketing money goes. Add in the price wars in TV weeklies and women's weeklies and the bean counters start looking elsewhere to get their money ..... :


Clearly from that the writing is on the wall - a number of motoring titles will go altogether.

The current motor sport scene with all it's one make classes is deadly dull - no variety of cars = no technical interest. Saloon cars do not have the spectacle or technical fascination of the supersaloon days with their home brewed specials. Single seaters with 1/2" of ground clearance and 2 tons of downforce cornering as if on rails is mind numbing. In short in comparison with past era's it's not worth following.

Like any commodity the more you put the price up the more you lose buyers until it's priced out of business.

For those of us who have in the pasted enjoyed reading motoring/motor racing periodicals the out look is indeed bleak.

#707 petefenelon

petefenelon
  • Member

  • 4,815 posts
  • Joined: August 02

Posted 15 September 2005 - 16:28

C&SC and the red'un will merge before too long, I reckon. MS's ad content is pretty much a subset of C&SC's anyway, and I suspect there's a substantial overlap in readership -- why send out the same ads to the same set of people?

#708 RTH

RTH
  • Member

  • 5,742 posts
  • Joined: January 03

Posted 16 September 2005 - 07:31

It's a shame , but I'm sure you are right Pete and of course' merge ' in whatever context always means takeover - the resulting magazine certainly will not have double the number of pages of either of the individual titles !

I wonder what colour the front of "Classic and Motor Sport" will be !

#709 ian senior

ian senior
  • Member

  • 2,142 posts
  • Joined: September 02

Posted 16 September 2005 - 07:55

Originally posted by Vitesse2

In the great scheme of things, motoring magazines generally are not doing well. The last tranche of circulation figures a few weeks ago showed some very steep drops. Only BBC Top Gear showed a decent increase, but most of the others which reported (not Motor Sport or Autosport, before you ask) had lost readers. Especially badly affected were the "boy racer" monthlies, which used to maintain circulation by printing pictures and posters of naked or semi-naked young ladies. Then Zoo and Nuts arrived and the sweaty-palmed lads who used to buy Max Power "for the cool cars" :rolleyes: suddenly discovered they could get more nudity four times as often for the same amount of money.

So, in order to maintain revenue and quality, they need to increase cover prices. Motoring is not a "sexy" category and circulations don't hold a candle to (say) women's glossies, which is where all the marketing money goes. Add in the price wars in TV weeklies and women's weeklies and the bean counters start looking elsewhere to get their money ..... :


Have the publishers ever bothered to find out why ciirculations are dropping? Could it be as simple as the fact that magazines are not providing what a large group of punters would like to see in the way of contents?

#710 Vitesse2

Vitesse2
  • Nostalgia Forum Moderator

  • 24,514 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 16 September 2005 - 08:16

That's one possible reason, Ian. Another is the fact that they feel impelled to produce new titles to compete with and complement existing ones. There seems to be a blind faith among marketing people that they can continue to "grow the market" and that if they produce a new "Celebrity Times" it will do just as well as the existing "Celebrity News" from another company. In practice, they'll pillage some of the sales from "Celebrity News" and pick up some new sales, thus giving two virtually identical titles, neither of which is selling enough to be really profitable .... but that's partly due to the growth of mega-publishers, with increasingly similar title portfolios. Now that sudoku fever is cooling, the latest "hot" category is "scrapbooking" - expect to see two or three more titles on that in the next six months.

Printed news and magazines in general are in decline in our cash rich, time poor (increasingly illiterate?) society - the drop in circulation is most noticable in national newspapers: overall sales have dropped by over a million copies per day in the past fifteen years.

#711 KJJ

KJJ
  • Member

  • 702 posts
  • Joined: February 02

Posted 16 September 2005 - 08:33

Originally posted by petefenelon
C&SC and the red'un will merge before too long, I reckon. MS's ad content is pretty much a subset of C&SC's anyway, and I suspect there's a substantial overlap in readership -- why send out the same ads to the same set of people?


I can't see this, surely they would just lose the sales accounted for by those who buy both mags. I'm assuming that all the back office costs have been rationalised already.

The logic of the cross-stitching magazines (there are four all produced by the same publisher) is for more magazines not less.

#712 green-blood

green-blood
  • Member

  • 706 posts
  • Joined: May 00

Posted 16 September 2005 - 10:03

fingers crossed this one arrives, the september edition never reached my doormat, so I've had to pay twice for last months anyway. I wont be bothering with subscriptions any longer if thats the level of service.

Count your lucky stars lads, you get mags on subscription, earlier than shelf time and subsidised, I'm closer to London than Newcastle and my subscription never even arrives.

#713 2F-001

2F-001
  • Member

  • 2,334 posts
  • Joined: November 01

Posted 16 September 2005 - 10:45

That's interesting - my September issue didn't arrive either; I ended up buying one off the newstall while they were still around.
I'd assumed it was just a local glitch in the mail (South London), but maybe not... I've been too busy lately to chase it up.

#714 Hieronymus

Hieronymus
  • Member

  • 2,031 posts
  • Joined: May 02

Posted 16 September 2005 - 11:44

Originally posted by Vitesse2
Now that sudoku fever is cooling, the latest "hot" category is "scrapbooking" - expect to see two or three more titles on that in the next six months.


I go in a state of sheer anxiety when I hear the word “scrapbooking”. My wife discovered this new craze some months ago, and ever since then, no photo in my home is safe anymore. Everything must be cut-up and get rearranged according to what these scrapbook nutters tell her. Seems she reached the stage where she has now run out of photos. God forbade that she’ll murder my motorsport photo collection or start cutting up old mags like MOTOR SPORT in her quest...

#715 ian senior

ian senior
  • Member

  • 2,142 posts
  • Joined: September 02

Posted 16 September 2005 - 12:00

Originally posted by Hieronymus


I go in a state of sheer anxiety when I hear the word “scrapbooking”. My wife discovered this new craze some months ago, and ever since then, no photo in my home is safe anymore. Everything must be cut-up and get rearranged according to what these scrapbook nutters tell her. Seems she reached the stage where she has now run out of photos. God forbade that she’ll murder my motorsport photo collection or start cutting up old mags like MOTOR SPORT in her quest...


This sounds quite alarming, and I hope it doesn't happen to you (as I do for my own stuff).

But.............do we really need magazines to advise us on how to make a scrapbook, or am I missing something?

#716 Hieronymus

Hieronymus
  • Member

  • 2,031 posts
  • Joined: May 02

Posted 16 September 2005 - 13:02

Yes, good remark....but then again, do we need books to teach us how to reproduce?? Almost as insane as the SMS message I got this morning on my mobile, "Want hot kissing tips daily? SMS KISS10". For that "favour" they charge you four Rand. I guess you can make money out of anything these days...

#717 Option1

Option1
  • Member

  • 13,477 posts
  • Joined: February 01

Posted 16 September 2005 - 13:02

Originally posted by Vitesse2
That's one possible reason, Ian. Another is the fact that they feel impelled to produce new titles to compete with and complement existing ones. There seems to be a blind faith among marketing people that they can continue to "grow the market" and that if they produce a new "Celebrity Times" it will do just as well as the existing "Celebrity News" from another company. In practice, they'll pillage some of the sales from "Celebrity News" and pick up some new sales, thus giving two virtually identical titles, neither of which is selling enough to be really profitable .... but that's partly due to the growth of mega-publishers, with increasingly similar title portfolios. Now that sudoku fever is cooling, the latest "hot" category is "scrapbooking" - expect to see two or three more titles on that in the next six months.

Printed news and magazines in general are in decline in our cash rich, time poor (increasingly illiterate?) society - the drop in circulation is most noticable in national newspapers: overall sales have dropped by over a million copies per day in the past fifteen years.

While I don't disagree with any of that I would add that there are other factors involved as well.

Just one aspect would be that the net itself has contributed significantly to the fall of newspaper circulation. Why buy a paper when I can read it free online? The anecdotal evidence to support my case is that I haven't bought a paper in years and simply read those I want on the web.

I guess business models are changing or will need to in the near future.

Given some of the reasons already mentioned, the obvious solution to increasing circulation of the mags under discussion is to include more pics of people of the female persuasion with huge tracts of land. Oh and maybe the addition of "classic" ricemobiles.;) :( :down: :mad:

As for scrapbooking, I think it's another example of the success of marketing over sense.

Neil

#718 mercw125

mercw125
  • Member

  • 32 posts
  • Joined: July 05

Posted 16 September 2005 - 13:20

Originally posted by 2F-001
That's interesting - my September issue didn't arrive either; I ended up buying one off the newstall while they were still around.
I'd assumed it was just a local glitch in the mail (South London), but maybe not... I've been too busy lately to chase it up.


Neither did mine and when I did phone about it I was told that there were no spares in the office and to go out and buy one! Luckily Stuart Forrest monitors this thread and kindly found me a copy. However since there does seem to have been a glitch in September's issue perhaps they need to investigate internally?

I'm sure Stuart will have picked this one up!

#719 Vitesse2

Vitesse2
  • Nostalgia Forum Moderator

  • 24,514 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 16 September 2005 - 13:31

Both the net and rolling news channels have contributed to the demise of newspapers and, to a lesser extent, magazines. But I expect to see the beginning of the end of free net versions of papers soon: Rupert Murdoch is making noises about having underestimated the net and his UK publishing operation are gearing up for a number of mystery magazine launches - he obviously thinks print has a future!

Advertisement

#720 ian senior

ian senior
  • Member

  • 2,142 posts
  • Joined: September 02

Posted 16 September 2005 - 13:37

Originally posted by Vitesse2
Both the net and rolling news channels have contributed to the demise of newspapers and, to a lesser extent, magazines. But I expect to see the beginning of the end of free net versions of papers soon: Rupert Murdoch is making noises about having underestimated the net and his UK publishing operation are gearing up for a number of mystery magazine launches - he obviously thinks print has a future!


I thought Murdoch offloaded his magazine interests a few years ago - "Car" was one of his. Obviously he realises that there is money to be made in that market now. Whatever you think of him, he's pretty damned shrewd when it comes to a business opportunity.

#721 ensign14

ensign14
  • Member

  • 37,741 posts
  • Joined: December 01

Posted 16 September 2005 - 14:33

Originally posted by Vitesse2
Rupert Murdoch is making noises about having underestimated the net and his UK publishing operation are gearing up for a number of mystery magazine launches - he obviously thinks print has a future!

What, like Tales Of The Unexplained with Issue 2 Free With Issue 1???

#722 RTH

RTH
  • Member

  • 5,742 posts
  • Joined: January 03

Posted 16 September 2005 - 15:15

Originally posted by mercw125


Neither did mine and when I did phone about it I was told that there were no spares in the office and to go out and buy one! .......... there does seem to have been a glitch in September's issue perhaps they need to investigate internally?

perhaps it's not in the supermarkets and generally difficult to find on sale because they want to keep it exclusive to just a select readership?

#723 2F-001

2F-001
  • Member

  • 2,334 posts
  • Joined: November 01

Posted 16 September 2005 - 15:37

There's no problem (here, at least) finding it in the shops - it's the copies that drop, automatically, through the letterbox that are in short supply!

I'd 'settle' for the free copy of the new Nürburgring book that's on offer for new subscriptions though!;)

#724 RTH

RTH
  • Member

  • 5,742 posts
  • Joined: January 03

Posted 16 September 2005 - 15:43

"Oooooh no , I'm afraid that's new customers only".

#725 2F-001

2F-001
  • Member

  • 2,334 posts
  • Joined: November 01

Posted 16 September 2005 - 15:53

Yes... so if I cancel and re-subscribe... ? :drunk:

#726 mercw125

mercw125
  • Member

  • 32 posts
  • Joined: July 05

Posted 16 September 2005 - 15:59

I did think about cancelling my subscription on a regular basis just to get the "free" gift ;)

I did once write to T'Editor casually mentioning that offering free gifts to people to subscribe was a super idea but maybe once in a while the odd scrap could be thrown in the direction of those of us who have (on and off) purchased the magazine over the last 30 odd years. Must have been lost in the post as I never got a reply. :cool:

#727 Barry Boor

Barry Boor
  • Member

  • 10,895 posts
  • Joined: October 00

Posted 18 September 2005 - 06:41

Well said, mercw!

#728 Stuart_Forrest

Stuart_Forrest
  • Member

  • 92 posts
  • Joined: November 04

Posted 18 September 2005 - 07:47

Dear All,

Just back from an exhausting few days at the Revival but thought I'd respond here to the comments about the cover price rise.

We've increased Motor Sport's cover price for one reason alone; to make a subscription to the magazine even more attractive. What no-one appears to have picked up on is that the cost of subscribing to the magazine hasn't increased at all with the cover price rise. As you'll probably see from the subscription advertisement in the magazine, subscribing today will now save you 52% off the cover price of the magazine. EDITED TO ADD; of course many TNF'ers are already subscribers, which means that you'll have seen a rather nice advertisement for the latest volume of MFQ, rather than a subs ad shouting about the big discounts that a subscription brings.

Whilst we still rely on newsagents (particularly the independents) I'm sure that Vitesse would concur that specialists magazines such as ours are facing enormous pressures on the news stand from the growth of the big supermarket multiples and the sheer number of new launches into the (far more lucrative) womens and youth markets. It means that we have to focus on growing subscriptions above everything else. Of course we'll still be on sale in newsagents up and down the land, but we do have to make the news stand sales of the title marginally more profitable for everyone involved (by which I mean thet newsagents and distributors who handle the magazine for us).

As for the other issues raised here; I'd be grateful if those of you who've had missing copies could send me a PM with the full address to which the magazine is sent. There are two possible explanations; one is that for some reason your subscription has expired (you've either missed the letters telling you this or your bank has screwed up the direct debit payment) or the magazines are going missing in the post. Either reason is quick and easy to resolve, and we'll replace any missing or damaged copies.

As for the problem of missing out on free gifts, this is a difficult one. You are of course more than welcome to phone and renew your subscription on direct debit to receive the gift. In reality though, particularly if you've been a subscriber for any great length of time, you'll be paying less for the magazine now than you will by signing up for a new offer. It isn't the case that the offers are "only for new customers" though. It's simply that we don't make enough of the fact that the longer you've been a subscriber, the bigger the discount that you'll receive in real terms.

We are looking into how we might be able to offer some of our gifts to current subscribers at greatly reduced costs however, so watch this space.

Thanks,

Stuart

#729 2F-001

2F-001
  • Member

  • 2,334 posts
  • Joined: November 01

Posted 18 September 2005 - 10:40

Thank you for taking the trouble to respond, Stuart.
I should really have added a smiley (rather than drunk face) to my post. I do appreciate the marketing thrust of the freebies and the the subscription pricing. Besides, my subscription is an annual gift ftom my father and wouldn't dream of asking him to cancel it, just to get the free book - the fact that I think of my Dad each time an issue arrives is worth rather more!

#730 Patrick Fletcher

Patrick Fletcher
  • Member

  • 685 posts
  • Joined: February 04

Posted 18 September 2005 - 11:05

I think the oldest Motor Sport we have in our house is October 1956 - still enjoy - missed a few now and then, but to pay the airmailed bookstand extra to OZ is getting ahem expensive!
Stuart do you have seniors rates? :blush:

#731 Lec CRP1

Lec CRP1
  • Member

  • 182 posts
  • Joined: January 03

Posted 18 September 2005 - 15:57

Oh, and Stuart - tell the designers that at least one person has noticed the drop-shadow on the cover logo (for the last 3 issues). It's certainly an improvement. Others here are still busy 'seeing red' to notice  ;)

#732 Vitesse2

Vitesse2
  • Nostalgia Forum Moderator

  • 24,514 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 18 September 2005 - 21:19

Can't argue with anything Stuart said about the magazine trade. It's becoming more and more difficult for specialist magazines of all sorts (from trade mags like Campaign to hobby titles) to get shelf space. Some are even abandoning the news trade completely and selling only via specialist outlets and subscriptions.

Stuart: wouldn't you like just a tenth of the launch budget for Grazia to play with? :

#733 D-Type

D-Type
  • Member

  • 8,139 posts
  • Joined: February 03

Posted 18 September 2005 - 21:25

Was there any enclosure with this month's? The reason for asking is that mine arrived with the transparent bag open at the end.
Thinking about it, could this be the reason for the odd non-delivery? The bag opens and the mag falls out - post office won't deliver an empty so 'lose' it?

#734 green-blood

green-blood
  • Member

  • 706 posts
  • Joined: May 00

Posted 19 September 2005 - 07:51

well I can argue.

The price has been PUT up to encourage subscriptions - what rubbish, why not make it £100 then you'll never need to worry about off the shelf purchasing. What are those not in the UK to do, subscription prices certainly are not 52% of the cover price in the rest of the world. where, when things dont arrive via the subscription you have to nip down the shops and purchase the shelf copy, deliberatly inflated price and all. What use is a PM when we have already paid twice for the issue? I dont need a second copy, allI want is the one I have paid for...

If October does not arrive (my subscription is Dec-Nov, I didn't miss any letters) I'll be back on first name terms with my newsagent very quickly. Oh look nothing in the post today either ??

#735 Arjan de Roos

Arjan de Roos
  • Member

  • 2,089 posts
  • Joined: July 02

Posted 19 September 2005 - 08:09

There used to be a video with my MS every now and then. Havent seen it for a while. Was a great appreciation gift to subscribers and newsstand buyers...

#736 Catalina Park

Catalina Park
  • Member

  • 5,768 posts
  • Joined: July 01

Posted 19 September 2005 - 08:39

I gave up after the Le Mans video that was damaged (unknown to me) and the tape chewed up inside my VCR when I pushed it in. :mad:

#737 PRD

PRD
  • Member

  • 321 posts
  • Joined: October 02

Posted 19 September 2005 - 10:14

Originally posted by Vitesse2
Can't argue with anything Stuart said about the magazine trade. It's becoming more and more difficult for specialist magazines of all sorts (from trade mags like Campaign to hobby titles) to get shelf space. Some are even abandoning the news trade completely and selling only via specialist outlets and subscriptions.


I was chatting to one of my brothers in law (large family) who is the manager of an independent newsagent/bookseller locally. He says that they are quite happy to give any magazine shelf space , because if it doesn't sell after an issue or two he can send it back,as they are all on a sale or return basis. His problem is shelf space and the fact that he gets four or five new magazines each week at least.
He did say that one of his most popular titles amongst the specialist press is "Classic Tractor", but then this is Devon, after all. :lol:

Paul

#738 Vitesse2

Vitesse2
  • Nostalgia Forum Moderator

  • 24,514 posts
  • Joined: April 01

Posted 19 September 2005 - 10:27

And every month seven or eight close ....

Incidentally, the current issue of Classic Tractor (sells well in Somerset too!) has a feature on the restoration of a Porsche tractor.

Yes, you read it right: Porsche. It was actually a pre-war design, but didn't go into production until the late 40s. Not exactly common in Britain, but there are still plenty around in Europe.

#739 Patrick Fletcher

Patrick Fletcher
  • Member

  • 685 posts
  • Joined: February 04

Posted 19 September 2005 - 11:08

Originally posted by Vitesse2

Incidentally, the current issue of Classic Tractor (sells well in Somerset too! )

I hope they do a paddock test of a Muntkell - they were very good.

Advertisement

#740 2F-001

2F-001
  • Member

  • 2,334 posts
  • Joined: November 01

Posted 19 September 2005 - 12:58

Way, way OT now... but there is a Massey Ferguson fettler and spares dealer (I hesitate to say agent, he way well not be) less than five minutes walk from Crystal Palace circuit. I don't imagine he gets much passing trade since the one-way system went in two or three years ago...

#741 green-blood

green-blood
  • Member

  • 706 posts
  • Joined: May 00

Posted 19 September 2005 - 13:27

since when did those on Tractor back respect road laws anyway :)

#742 David Beard

David Beard
  • Member

  • 4,901 posts
  • Joined: July 02

Posted 19 September 2005 - 17:22

Originally posted by RTH
perhaps it's not in the supermarkets and generally difficult to find on sale because they want to keep it exclusive to just a select readership?


Perhaps I frequent the wrong sort of places, but since the down-market red cover appeared I haven't seen Motor Sport on sale ANYWHERE. I'm sure it used to be in motorway services, at least, when it had the proper cover.

#743 Bill Wagenblatt

Bill Wagenblatt
  • Member

  • 176 posts
  • Joined: May 05

Posted 20 September 2005 - 15:26

Originally posted by Vitesse2
And every month seven or eight close ....

Incidentally, the current issue of Classic Tractor (sells well in Somerset too!) has a feature on the restoration of a Porsche tractor.

Yes, you read it right: Porsche. It was actually a pre-war design, but didn't go into production until the late 40s. Not exactly common in Britain, but there are still plenty around in Europe.


I took the following photo of a Porsche Tractor at the 98 Monterey Historic Races. Wasn't sure what class it was scheduled to be in - Possibly pre-war single seaters


Posted Image

Bill

#744 chazh

chazh
  • Member

  • 31 posts
  • Joined: March 02

Posted 28 September 2005 - 18:43

OK, colour me confused...

I (a somewhat longtime subscriber) finally received October's Motor Sport today (second month in a row that my copy has failed to arrive and I've had to chase it up, but that's another story) and noticed the subscription ad offering 52% off the soon-to-be cover price of £4.95 - a mere £7.10 a quarter.

Good deal I thought. Then I thought, hang on, that's less than I currently pay! While I appreciate the need to attract new subscribers, I'd like to think existing subscribers get a good deal too. So, can we get that rate as well?

Yours money-grabbingly...

#745 petefenelon

petefenelon
  • Member

  • 4,815 posts
  • Joined: August 02

Posted 28 September 2005 - 20:33

Originally posted by David Beard


Perhaps I frequent the wrong sort of places, but since the down-market red cover appeared I haven't seen Motor Sport on sale ANYWHERE. I'm sure it used to be in motorway services, at least, when it had the proper cover.



My local WH Smith get a few copies in - I usually skim it but rarely buy. I can't say I've read MS much lately; my sub stopped last year when I forgot to update it with my new debit card number, and when I actually realised why it'd stopped arriving I also realised I wasn't really missing it much...

#746 RTH

RTH
  • Member

  • 5,742 posts
  • Joined: January 03

Posted 29 September 2005 - 09:26

Originally posted by petefenelon


My local WH Smith get a few copies in - I usually skim it but rarely buy. I can't say I've read MS much lately; my sub stopped last year when I forgot to update it with my new debit card number, and when I actually realised why it'd stopped arriving I also realised I wasn't really missing it much...

I have to say I feel exactly the same about ' Autosport' only more so and that is from someone who has bought every issue from 1968 to the end of 2004. For me that is the magazine that needs the most major and drastic surgery and re-construction

#747 Andrew Kitson

Andrew Kitson
  • Member

  • 2,535 posts
  • Joined: July 03

Posted 29 September 2005 - 09:48

A great magazine still, :clap: despite the awful 'red' and great value if you subscribe.
But a couple of doubts - Damien Smith might be an awfully nice chap - never met him- but is he not a bit on the young side as an editor for a specialist magazine that caters for racing history, virtually all of it before he was born?

He says he was six when Villeneuve went off in the '81 British Grand Prix (seems like yesterday to me although the photo caption on page 9 looks more like Stowe than Woodcote!) I think I have a fairly good knowledge due to my involvement with racing since childhood ( born in '59) but I dare not approach some of the threads here on the early 1960s and previous as I was not there. Same must go for the editor concerning the 70s and earlier surely?

Ideally we need Doug ;)

#748 Vicuna

Vicuna
  • Member

  • 1,588 posts
  • Joined: March 02

Posted 29 September 2005 - 09:51

I still love MS but I can't believe there isn't a Nye/McKinney/Lawrence feature every month.

IT'S CALLED A NO BRAINER!!

#749 petefenelon

petefenelon
  • Member

  • 4,815 posts
  • Joined: August 02

Posted 29 September 2005 - 09:55

Originally posted by RTH

I have to say I feel exactly the same about ' Autosport' only more so and that is from someone who has bought every issue from 1968 to the end of 2004. For me that is the magazine that needs the most major and drastic surgery and re-construction


Autosport I gave up on in mid-2004, round about the point the website went pay-per-read. I'd been contemplating giving it up for a couple of years but never quite got round to it. I decided I didn't mind paying 30 quid a year (or whatever) for the online content, but it wasn't worth three quid a week for the magazine -- too much F1, not enough "proper racing"; too many pictures, not enough words. The sad thing is that John McIlroy's made it very eloquently clear that it's not necessarily the sort of enthusiast-oriented magazine he would enjoy himself, but the sort that "the market" forces upon him... Poor John does come in for a lot of flak when he surfaces on ten-tenths.com -- I don't like his magazine any more but he's straight about what he does and why he does it.

#750 Racer.Demon

Racer.Demon
  • Member

  • 1,705 posts
  • Joined: November 99

Posted 29 September 2005 - 10:56

Same feelings here. Once I realised that Pit & Paddock and World of Sport were the only remaining reasons for subscribing and that every meaningful racing series has its own website these days, I was quick to unsubscribe.

Never missed Autosport since, and now because of the AtlasF1 merger I even get the online content - which is infinitely better than the print content - "for free".