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#1001 Gary C

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 10:15

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#1002 Graham Gauld

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 11:15

I wondered how long it would take to hit the streets. Apparently Motor Sport magazine was sold to a private independent group last Thursday at 12 noon. More, I know not, but it came from a solid 100% gold standard source.

#1003 David Beard

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 11:44

Originally posted by Lee Shells
Commenting directly on the magazine, as a subscriber I am fully satisfied with content and layout with the exception of the RED cover banner. Despite it being around for some time I still cannot get used to it and note it has a camouflage effect on the newsagent's shelves.

It was a dreadful abandonment of the product identity.


Perhaps the new publishers will let us have the proper cover back?

#1004 Stuart_Forrest

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 13:58

A press release on this will follow, but I can confirm that Haymarket have concluded a deal which will see Motor Sport published under licence by Stratfield Ltd. from the April 2006 issue onwards. I choose my words carefully here - we retain ownership of the magazine brand but have licensed the publishing rights to the new company.

Whilst Stratfield will be an unknown quantity to all here, its owner Paul Dobson has a long history in magazine publishing. Having sold Romsey Publishing to Archant early in 2005 he has started a new business with Motor Sport. Romsey published magazines such as "The English Garden" and "The English Home" and Paul has a proven track record in publishing specialist magazines like Motor Sport. The magazine needs the focus and energy that a smaller publishing company can give it, and this is what it will now benefit from.

The magazine will continue to be published by the current team, who transfer employment with the magazine. There are no redundancies or job losses resulting from the move, and the magazine will retain its very close links with the LAT archive.

Haymarket intends to have a close relationship with the magazine's new publisher - it will even continue to operate from our offices in Teddington for the time being. Sadly this ends my association with Motor Sport - I'll remain at Haymarket and continue as publisher of Classic & Sports Car.

As for the cover colour, well you'll have to ask the new publisher that question!

P.S - Ted; sorry I didn't see you in Paris on Friday. Will no doubt catch up properly at Stoneleigh, where Classic & Sports Car will share a stand with Motor Sport.

#1005 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 15:08

Will Motor Sport/Stratfield's office location within the studios now be behind more of those silly electronic doors? Like LAT unamusingly is.

#1006 Stuart_Forrest

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 15:42

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Will Motor Sport/Stratfield's office location within the studios now be behind more of those silly electronic doors? Like LAT unamusingly is.

:lol: We're all getting used to carrying our passes around with us everywhere now too. Ironically it was the door to LAT in its old location which was the ONLY door necessitating an electronic pass.

#1007 Eric McLoughlin

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 16:36

Interesting - let's keep our fingers crossed that the transition goes smoothly and is successful.

#1008 MCS

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 16:53

Originally posted by Stuart_Forrest
The magazine will continue to be published by the current team...


Great news then! :rolleyes:

#1009 Maldwyn

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 18:33

Originally posted by Stephen W
On a serious note the latest copy of Motor Sport failed to drop through my letter box this week!

Didn't appear here either : and I'm a D :stoned:

#1010 Eric McLoughlin

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 23:52

I never got the "Brands Hatch" issue from a couple of months ago. The postal distribution system does seem to be rather intermittent.

#1011 macoran

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 23:55

Funny....
I pedalled my bicycle 7 miles to the newsagent here in Holland for the
January issue 3 weeks ago..... missed it !!!

The February issue was already in the rack, and the left over Jans had
been returned.

#1012 petefenelon

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 10:07

Originally posted by Lee Shells
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In a similar misunderstanding of brand values I see that the latest Jaguar TV advertising is now on mainstream TV. I first saw this at an Institute of the Motor Industry meeting last November. The room was full of hardened and cynical Motor Industry professionals from Dealer Principals down. Include me in that group as a cynic. The reaction was “what the **** was that about” and “I cannot see what it is selling”


As far as I can tell selling Jaguars to young estate agents and junior account managers who thought they could afford a middling Mondeo or a Mazda 6 estate or something, but for an extra two grand can have a bottom of the range X-type. Aspirational, I think they call it.

#1013 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 10:10

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#1014 Stephen W

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 10:26

Rang the Subscription hotline today to find out what is going on. The February issue failed to turn up and now the March issue has gone missing. The young lady was most helpful and has given me the postal date for the April issue. If that does arrive then they will ensure the MAY issue has a postal check put on it. Apparently it is recorded and every link in the Post Offices delivery chain has to report the passing through of the item. Meanwhile my subscription period has been extended by yet another month.

Motor Sport only do this after three successive issues go missing. So to have a procedure like that in place there must be a lot of their magazines going missing!

Maybe there are a lot of Post Office employees getting free copies! :mad:

#1015 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 10:44

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#1016 RTH

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 12:10

Deckchairs.........Titanic....or will there be any listening to readers involved ?

#1017 Sharman

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 12:10

After all the urgings to subscribe and all the offers of reduced rates, I succumbed to their blandishments. I took out the subscription in Nov with a promise that delivery wood begin with January's edition. It didn't, I got Feb's, early in Jan , it is now mid Feb and March has not appeared. They've got the money, have flogged the publication and don't give a toss about the subscribers. The subscription will NOT be renewed, I stopped it once before after serial rows with the distribution dept , this time no chance.

#1018 Barry Boor

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 12:22

Sharman, MotorSport's system is to issue the March magazine in mid Feb, the April in mid-March etc etc etc.

I've never quite understood why but this practice has gone on for as long as I can remember.

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 13:10

Originally posted by petefenelon

As far as I can tell selling Jaguars to young estate agents and junior account managers who thought they could afford a middling Mondeo or a Mazda 6 estate or something, but for an extra two grand can have a bottom of the range X-type. Aspirational, I think they call it.

Considering a Jaguar X Type is nothing more than a re-bodied Mondeo, I'd say it was more like sad!

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#1020 Mallory Dan

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 14:20

Mine not arrived yet either. I'm an 'R'. Having said that, I don't usually get it (MS that is) until about this time anyway.

#1021 David McKinney

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 14:25

I got mine on Wednesday
(I'm an M... )

#1022 Rob29

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 15:42

Think mine came Tuesday.,and I come under 'T' Seems to come earlier each month,at one time it was near the end of the month.

#1023 ian senior

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 15:46

I suppose the nightmare scenario is if you happen to have a name such as Zoe Zzip - you'd get your April issue just as everyone else starts getting the May one.

#1024 Cirrus

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 16:26

I don't know what all the fuss is about.

Yours sincerely

Aaron Aadvark

#1025 David Beard

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 16:28

Originally posted by ian senior
I suppose the nightmare scenario is if you happen to have a name such as Zoe Zzip - you'd get your April issue just as everyone else starts getting the May one.


Some relation to Martin Hines?

#1026 Roger Clark

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 19:04

Originally posted by Barry Boor
Sharman, MotorSport's system is to issue the March magazine in mid Feb, the April in mid-March etc etc etc.

I've never quite understood why but this practice has gone on for as long as I can remember.

Really? I never got used to it not being the first of the month!

#1027 Sharman

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 21:55

Roger
Thank you for that explanation but actually I've been reading the thing since 1952, and have encountered all the varying degrees of eccentricity offered by the publishers since that time
JSF

Sorry that is Barry's explanation, I was all excited in an email the Law Society has just admitted that one of its' members is a thief. Now is there a publishers Society........?

#1028 Stuart_Forrest

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 22:05

JSF

Perhaps you could send me your details via PM and I'll look into your subscription for you? As frustrating as it might sound there is usually a relatively simple (and rarely sinister) explanation. We'll obviously also replace any missing copies.

I can also assure you that whilst it might sometimes appear to the contrary, we do "give a toss" about the subscribers.

Best,

Stuart

#1029 green-blood

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 11:20

we do "give a toss" about the subscribers.



Thats odd becuase when I have had problems in the past year, you personally promised to extend my sub by 3 months - that didnt happen

Then when the letter I recieved for my renewal arrived and I was quoted 10% more than was on offer inside the mag and in the accompanying flyer, I wrote a letter to your subs department, I recieved a curt reply that I could of course avail of the cheaper tarif, included in the letter was a form at the higher amount. Am I really that naive???

I continued my sub for 2 more years because I love the content and wish to support the editorial team, but your admin is as far as I have experienced completely useless and worse it is pointless contacting them as they have never once solved my problems, nor their management who make empty promises to resolve customer queries and complaints. It has always been something I strongly believe in, that anyone can make a mistake, its how they rectify those mistakes that is the mesure of the organisation.

Thank your lucky stars the content is as ever fantastic.

#1030 Vitesse2

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Posted 15 February 2006 - 23:12

Well, I might as well announce my return here and bask in the limelight of "Letter of the month"! :blush:

Been offline for a month thanks to moving and BT's inability to extract their collective digit to provide me with a phone line ....

Funnily enough, I was going to comment that the trade distribution on MS seemed to be a week ahead: they arrived last Thursday, which is unusual - I wasn't expecting them that soon!

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:17

So............If you were just handed the reins at Motor Sport Magazine................What changes would you make? What would be added or subtracted?

With a completely free hand , how would you please past and present readers and encourage new readers to buy and stay with the magazine.

The circulation is presently less than 1/5th of what it was in it's hayday. I would have thought ideas are needed. What would make it more desireable and better value for money? How does it presently compare with other specialist titles on this and other subjects ?

What would you do with it ?

#1032 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:50

Motorsport now, is a sort of historical magazine. What was it in the past? A current events mag?

Ive long said there needs to be a monthly/glossy Motorsports magazine. Racer is a very good magazine, but its primarily North America.

I think you could easily put together a massive, high quality; monthly magazine covering all facets of motorsport. Not news, thats what the internet is for these days. But in depth analysis (honest at that) interviews, etc of everyting. Not just F1, but WRC, and the state of domestic club racing, and historic racing, and and and. If you covered just about everything you'd have unlimited potential and you'd be faced with the problem of what not to run that month.

Problem is 90% of 'racing fans' are only F1 fans these days.

#1033 ian senior

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 09:53

Originally posted by RTH
So............If you were just handed the reins at Motor Sport Magazine................What changes would you make? What would be added or subtracted?

With a completely free hand , how would you please past and present readers and encourage new readers to buy and stay with the magazine.

The circulation is presently less than 1/5th of what it was in it's hayday. I would have thought ideas are needed. What would make it more desireable and better value for money? How does it presently compare with other specialist titles on this and other subjects ?

What would you do with it ?


This is going into territory we have covered before on here but bearing in mind Motor Sport will shortly be under new stewardship, I think it would do no harm at all to revisit the subject.

Firstly, and this is purely personal, I'm not interested in seeing reports of current day historic racing. I'm sure there is a need for that kind of thing to be reported, but not in a magazine whose main brief is nostalgia (if, of course, that IS its brief). I'm more interested in reading about a car and its original driver, driven with serious intent, than details of some rich bloke in 2006 who is able to use it as a toy.

Nostalgia, to my mind, is where it should concentrate. I see no harm at all in reprinting stuff from years gone by - reports of races which have gone down in history as being significant, the fascinating notes by DSJ on the changes seen on cars at races, profiles of drivers/constructors/entrants, etc. But this kind of thing does not need to be the mainstay of the magazine - it has its place, but not perhaps a dominant one.

One problem I find with just about every magazine these days is the length of the articles. The soundbite culture prevails - an assumption that we all have the attention span of a humming bird. Frequently articles run out of steam towards the end, as though they have been subjected to viscious sub-editing to cram them in to the allotted space, and I feel short changed - where's the detail? So what is wrong with only having two or three feature articles each month, and allowing them to go into more detail? Or even letting them continue into the next issue if that is too much to take?

#1034 MCS

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 10:01

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Motorsport now, is a sort of historical magazine. What was it in the past? A current events mag?


No, it always had Veteran and Victorian Vintage coverage (some used to say too much) and a fair smattering of "Classic" coverage - i.e. more recent historic stuff.


Problem is 90% of 'racing fans' are only F1 fans these days.


Really?

90%? :eek:

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Posted 16 February 2006 - 10:20

At least lets have articles on old racing cars with "collectable" photography showing the car properly and without the "flashy" trick photo shots.
Most modern mags have a photo gallery of 3 or 4 pages.......they even quote camera / lens /settings / focus /weather conditions / film type used............WHAT ?????
I don't want any of that.
There was a fabulous photo of Honda RA301 a few months ago spread over two pages.
I just had to have it.....
but even trying to separate the pages carefully left me with two halves of the photo
with about 4.5mm missing in the middle....
I got my photograph in the end......just spent 25hours retouching the missing bit.

The "My only F1 race" bits were far too short, the pictures too small....the one chance we have
seeing a car that appeared only one or twice and it is printed as a thumbnail.

Also the main reason I read older stuff is that I am in no way interested to see
that some journo learned his writing trade in a "whammy" magazine.....just tell me the
facts and the figures about the car's or engine's history.
Leave the fancy wording out.......info and details is what I want.

How come I found a beautiful picture of Coventry Climax's "Godiva" in a post here and not
in Motosport ?

Nowadays, I get on my bike,pedal a couple of miles, have alook to see if there is something
worthwhile in the magazine before I even think of buying it.

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Posted 20 February 2006 - 20:50

Thanks to Stuart and his great generosity (yes, I am cheap and I certainly can be had), my copy of the March issue showed up here in the Sandbox today.

To whom -- the email address in other words -- does one address a "letter" to these days given that Stratfield Ltd. will be pushing the future issues out the door? Certainly, I do not expect that a @haynet address will be retained, so....? I ask because I might bestir myself from my Oliver Hardy Mode ("I have nothing to say...") and make a comment.

I will say that I was not very surprised at the rather abysmal, unimaginative, and generally poorly considered selections that the readers voted in as "The Greatest Grands Prix." Perhaps that was the point of the exercise -- to find out who the voters are and shift in their direction, if necessary. As Marcus points out, the 1970s seems to strike a chord with quite a readers. However, the comment on "hero-worshipping," which at first glance seemed a bit much, seems justified upon another look at the selections.

The positive note for this issue is that Timmy Mayer finally gets a few moments for folks to consider someone who certainly could have been a contender. My few contacts with him left me impressed. It was an eerie experience to get a postcard from him after I knew of his death....

Producing a magazine like this in today's environment is an exercise in, ah, something that if you to have it explained to you, well, you wouldn't understand.

Plus, I usually have the sense to have "Big Yellow Taxi" roll around in my mind before I say much of what I might think.

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 09:14

:clap: March issue arrived in France yesterday 20th Feb. I haven't read it yet as I have been directed to tiling the downstairs loo, I suppose it's only fair as a lot of my reading is done there.
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#1038 ian senior

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 10:35

Sorry for thread bumping, but I couldn't resist this. Some things never change, eh?

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 12:20

Our e-mail address remains: motorsport@haynet.com

We are staying in Teddington Studios for the foreseeable future. If there any changes we'll let you know!

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 16:54

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld


Problem is 90% of 'racing fans' are only F1 fans these days.


Are you counting NASCAR when you do that math?

#1041 Twin Window

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 19:25

Originally posted by Marcus Simmons

We are staying in Teddington Studios for the foreseeable future.

Is that because you can't find your way out? :D

#1042 Paul Rochdale

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 19:29

Twinny
Did you get my PM, please?

#1043 Twin Window

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 20:03

I did Paul, and I've just replied in Barry's database thread. :up:

#1044 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 20:11

Originally posted by Ruairidh


Are you counting NASCAR when you do that math?



A fair, and dangerous point....

Originally posted by Twin Window
Is that because you can't find your way out? :D


The scene pre-move has to have been seen to be beleived. Haymarket will not move again in this century, based on the "I simply can't be bothered..."

#1045 Maldwyn

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Posted 27 February 2006 - 17:08

Originally posted by Sharman
:clap: March issue arrived in France yesterday 20th Feb.

I wish I could say the same of Sussex : Having phoned to enquire what happened I was told it has been sent out, and was given the option of waiting a further 2 weeks for another copy to be ordered and sent, or buy my own and my sub be amended. I chose the latter. Hopefully I will be able to find one on the shelf of a newsagent :eek:

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Posted 27 February 2006 - 21:53

you know how much its a pain to search an article or a photos in the pile of old magazine, one good point of the now cold dead magazine L'automobile historique is that they had an index , Motorsport in his new form (specialized in the history of motorsport ) is near ten years old now so it would be a great idea to do and published an index in a special issue or in a booklet of those ten year ,no need to go back to 1924 ;)

#1047 Stephen W

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Posted 28 February 2006 - 10:59

Next issue should be posted out on March 10th.

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Posted 28 February 2006 - 19:22

[QUOTE]Originally posted by philippe charuest
[B]you know how much its a pain to search an article or a photos in the pile of old magazine, one good point of the now cold dead magazine L'automobile historique is that they had an index ,

This month's C&SC arrived yesterday. There is a full index at the back end of the mag. of articles for the past year. Well done, Mick Walsh, or whoever.

RL

#1049 dmj

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Posted 28 February 2006 - 19:30

C&SC has it for years, I'm buying it from 1995, using it as a help ever since.

#1050 Rob29

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 15:25

Originally posted by Stephen W
Next issue should be posted out on March 10th.

Arrived today March 9th.However ,cover has yellow flash"Free! Historic Race & Rally Calendar 2006" No sign of this inside.