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#1051 Gary C

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 15:49

mine was delivered this morning in the post, all intact :up:

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#1052 RTH

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 15:53

In the words of Arthur Daly " You know what that magazine needs ? .....a nice free historic archive motorsport DVD inside it " .....OK so I paraphrase !

#1053 dolomite

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 20:10

I've just bought this month's Aeroplane mag which comes with an excellent free DVD .....

#1054 RTH

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 20:22

Originally posted by dolomite
I've just bought this month's Aeroplane mag which comes with an excellent free DVD .....



There you are Haymarket !............."You know it makes sense "

I was talking to the MD at 'Octane' at Stoneleigh.........their ciculation is rising and they have big go ahead plans and are really keen to listen to readers ...............Oh and whilst he doesn't contribute .....he does read this thread !

#1055 Vitesse2

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 21:51

Originally posted by RTH



There you are Haymarket !............."You know it makes sense "

I was talking to the MD at 'Octane' at Stoneleigh.........their ciculation is rising and they have big go ahead plans and are really keen to listen to readers ...............Oh and whilst he doesn't contribute .....he does read this thread !

Leaving aside the old DVD argument, which Stuart has previously dismissed ....

The latest ABC figures show that Motor Sport's average monthly sales for January-December 2005 were 27325, of which 19115 were sold in the UK and RoI and 8210 in the rest of the world. Only 7302 of the UK copies were sold retail - an indication of why they have had to push subscriptions so hard after being delisted by so many big retailers. Those readers are out there, but reaching them is a whole different ball game.

I'm pleased to see that Octane have now registered for ABC audits (as of Feb 9th 2006), so in due time we'll be able to study the figures. Perhaps Mr Coucher or one of his colleagues would care to break their purdah and let us know when we can expect the first figures? Six or twelve months? Six, probably, since C&SC reports twice a year and MS just once .....

#1056 DN5

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 22:04

My copy arrived intact.

The calender is double sided as there is so much racing this year!

The line about the publishing rights moving from Haymarket to Stratfield Ltd leaves me wondering what happens next. I know they say "There are exciting plans for the magazine as we move forward into a new era." But they would say that wouldn't they.

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 22:19

Interesting that both MS and Octane this month have articles on Baby Bertha...only skimmed the former, but both mags look most interesting with unconventional stories within.

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 23:30

Originally posted by ensign14

Interesting that both MS and Octane this month have articles on Baby Bertha...

This happened to crop up in conversation with Marcus at Stoneleigh. It's completely coincidental and the two features are from different angles; the Motor Sport feature is - I think - a track test, whereas the Octane piece covers the restoration of the car.

#1059 Vitesse2

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 23:46

The Motor Sport feature covers the whole gamut of DTV, including the rally cars, with a sideways glance at some of the other Superloons like Mick Hill's Capris and Beetle-Chev, Nick Whiting's Escort, John Pope's Magnum (a Magnum body stuck on an Aston Martin DBS!), Jonathan Buncombe's Chimp (Chevrolet/Imp - geddit?) and the DAF-Oldsmobile of Tony Hazlewood.

Now that was saloon car racing!

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#1060 Barry Boor

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 23:55

Having recently changed banks, today I received a letter from MotorSport saying that my new bank had refused to initiate my subscription.

This is the 4th of my standing orders/direct debits that have been refused by the bank that claimed it would deal with all of these things without my having to do anything!

So, no MotorSport for me this month - but NOT MotorSport's fault.

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#1061 D-Type

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 00:14

I had the same thing happen to me when we moved our account to the Halifax - apparently the left hand didn't know what the right hand had been told to promise . . . :confused:

You'll have to take a trip to the mainland and find a WH Smith's or equivalent.

#1062 Vitesse2

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 00:21

I have some spare copies for sale Barry .... :)

#1063 Twin Window

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 00:27

Originally posted by Vitesse2

The Motor Sport feature covers the whole gamut of DTV...

Ok; it looks like I got my facts back-to-front! The point was that both mags were about to carry features on [essentially] the same car/team, but each from entirely different angles.

#1064 RTH

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 11:13

Originally posted by Vitesse2



The latest ABC figures show that Motor Sport's average monthly sales for January-December 2005 were 27325,


Interesting, IIRC the previous published figure was just a few hundred under 30,000

#1065 David McKinney

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 11:26

On a more positive note -
Although so far I've only skimmed through it, it does seem features are longer than usual

#1066 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 11:46

Originally posted by David McKinney
On a more positive note -
Although so far I've only skimmed through it, it does seem features are longer than usual


More pictures, more words or as a result of graphic design?

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 13:51

Originally posted by Vitesse2
The Motor Sport feature covers the whole gamut of DTV, including the rally cars, with a sideways glance at some of the other Superloons like Mick Hill's Capris and Beetle-Chev, Nick Whiting's Escort, John Pope's Magnum (a Magnum body stuck on an Aston Martin DBS!), Jonathan Buncombe's Chimp (Chevrolet/Imp - geddit?) and the DAF-Oldsmobile of Tony Hazlewood.

Now that was saloon car racing!


Sorry to nitpick Vitesse, but 'Chimp' was Chevron Imp, not Chevrolet Imp. It was based on a B19.

My MS arrived too, earliest ever thanks Marcus, after last months problems. Looks like a good one too.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 21:08

Does anybody have any idea of the implications of the transfer to Stratfield Ltd? I've googled them and found nothing.

#1069 Vitesse2

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 21:34

Originally posted by RTH


Interesting, IIRC the previous published figure was just a few hundred under 30,000

I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but the 3000 or so drop is almost purely in the retail sales. Subs sales are virtually unchanged. What is unquantifiable without more detailed information is the "churn" on subscriptions, which would give an indication of how many of those lost retail sales might have been converted into subs.

Dan: usual excuses, involving several pints of Old Speckled Hen and a large Bushmills malt..... :drunk:

#1070 Vitesse2

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 21:46

Originally posted by D-Type
Does anybody have any idea of the implications of the transfer to Stratfield Ltd? I've googled them and found nothing.

If you Google up "Paul Dobson" + "Romsey", you'll find his track record. Some good solid magazine publishing in there.

As Romsey were located in Wokingham, I suspect the name of the new company comes from Stratfield Saye, which is fairly close.

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 01:14

Originally posted by Vitesse2

I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but the 3000 or so drop is almost purely in the retail sales. Subs sales are virtually unchanged. What is unquantifiable without more detailed information is the "churn" on subscriptions, which would give an indication of how many of those lost retail sales might have been converted into subs.

Dan: usual excuses, involving several pints of Old Speckled Hen and a large Bushmills malt..... :drunk:


I let my sub lapse about 18 months ago, mainly because there were too many pictures and not enough words in the magazine. I've been an MS reader since childhood, and probably didn't miss more than a handful of issues between aboit 1974 and 2004, even including the dire last couple of years of its incarnation as a 'contemporary' magazine. But the combination of top 10/20/50s and the increased emphasis on gloss rather than substance meant that when my credit card changed I didn't bother updating the sub and let it die.

Since then I've been an occasional retail buyer, and... well, it has its good issues and its bad ones, but I don't (yet) feel tempted back to subscribing, which I did for a good few years.

#1072 Paul Butler

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 10:21

Originally posted by RTH


Interesting, IIRC the previous published figure was just a few hundred under 30,000


I purchased a set of Motor Sport for 1973 off of Ebay recently (trying to grow my collection by stealth) and the monthly figures then were up around 145,000 with an audited circulation for 1972 of around 1.5 million. Oh and the price then was 15p due to go up to 20p in 1974.

Slightly OT but it has been great fun looking throiugh these old issues. One of the recuuring themes throughout the year seems to be that F1 isn't what it used to be. I was also interested by the little feature "Houses where racing drivers live"!

#1073 Gary C

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 13:44

....and mention of only ONE TNF-er in the new issue?? Step forward, Mr.Lund!!

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Posted 11 March 2006 - 14:21

Gary,

I e mailed Gordon Cruickshank who edits the Bod's pages, giving him the location of the Casimir Ragot, along with a copy of my own blurred colour shot for info. I explained that the full details of the car/marque had been supplied by Jean-Maurice, via Atlasf1/TNF, being of the old school not trying to deny due credit where it was due.

I am over there in April so will do some more (non-blurred) photos of the car, which is the best exhibit IMHO, and the rest of the collection.

From the chateau's embryo website, google Pomport or Sanxet and car museum, the history and regeneration of the place looks interesting. It is a super location.

RL

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 09:16

I managed to get a photo on the COVER and several inside as well

#1076 Eric McLoughlin

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 09:47

It was nice to see that they had the courage to put a black and white photo on the cover.

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 12:58

There's a lot to like about the April issue. The DTV and Supersaloons features are excellent, the turbine article a good overview, the Clay interview really lets his personality come through. The piece on the first Ferrari GP entry has some very good photography and the Anthony Reid and Benny Parsons articles are interesting. I liked the article on the NZ historic scene, too - some great photos and atmosphere. The BRM P351 is a tale of woe that needed telling (is Doug going to cover it in Vol. 4?;)) and was told well.

The Stanley Steamer (nb, not BRM P207 ;)) piece could've been a bit sharper, and the 1993 Dallara and Opel/Lotus articles were a bit too recent to be particularly strong.

On the whole though I'd say this was one of the best issues since the '97 revamp and I'm strongly considering resubscribing. Well played.

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 17:18

Have to agree with that , some quite interesting pieces.

Pity the BRM P401, the road going sportscar didn't get any further han the scale model, it looked nice, they went in over their heads, it's still a truly great brand name with a great deal of affection towards it .
A proper strong revival is still a nice thought, but sadly doesn't look likely unless of course there is a smolenski figure with huge venture capital yet realistic aims.

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 18:53

I agree too. The circulation of Motor Sport has clearly gone down, but the specialist nature of the articles in the April issue may ensure that a hardcore of TNF-type enthusiasts will continue to enjoy it, and hopefully ensure that it has a future.

I'm trying to ration myself, and spread out my enjoyment of the April riches. Tonight..... The Turbine car article.

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Posted 12 March 2006 - 21:13

Though I didn't see the new issue yet, I got the Opel/Vauxhall Lotus article in my regular DTM press clipping service this morning. A highly enjoyable read which brought back a lot of fond memories, as I was much involved in the coverage of the series, especially in the 1993-1996 period. I started off my career in international motor sport journalism writing Euroseries reports for Motorsport Aktuell, Autosport, Motoring News, Den Bla Avis and various Dutch publications and got to know loads of up-and-coming drivers like Jason Watt, Jan Magnussen, Dario Franchitti, Bas Leinders, Jerry Nadeau and many others, not to forget series' organiser Dan Partel. We all had a great time and I think there hasn't been an international series like that ever since. Marcus, thanks for this trip down memory lane!

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 14:28

Not really blowing my own horn but ..... The march issue of MotorSport used my quote for the greatest of all GPs, the 1957 German GP !! :D

#1082 Vitesse2

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 17:02

From this week's "Retail Newsagent":

New company Stratfield Publishing is to relaunch Motorsport [sic] in May. The racing car title, purchased from Haymarket, will benefit from improved paper quality and editorial. "It has been quite a flimsy title for £4.95 and it will be immediately obvious that the magazine is much more in keeping with the cover price," said publisher Martin Nott. The new look and press ads aim to boost newsstand sales of the 7300-selling title by 20% this year, he said.

#1083 Kpy

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 17:15

Originally posted by Vitesse2
From this week's "Retail Newsagent":

New company Stratfield Publishing is to relaunch Motorsport [sic] in May. The racing car title, purchased from Haymarket, will benefit from improved paper quality and editorial. "It has been quite a flimsy title for £4.95 and it will be immediately obvious that the magazine is much more in keeping with the cover price," said publisher Martin Nott. The new look and press ads aim to boost newsstand sales of the 7300-selling title by 20% this year, he said.

Could we ask for more ???
IMHO "flimsy" is accurate.
"It will be immediately obvious that the magazine is much more in keeping with the cover price," -Yes please.
Sounds ideal to me. :)

#1084 Cargo

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 17:40

Originally posted by Cirrus
I the specialist nature of the articles in the April issue may ensure that a hardcore of TNF-type enthusiasts will continue to enjoy it, and hopefully ensure that it has a future.

I'm trying to ration myself, and spread out my enjoyment of the April riches. Tonight..... The Turbine car article.


Though I gave up on the mag some time ago, I must confess to occasionally browsing it in WHS's - and the content in last couple of issues have tempted me. I liked the look of the April issue very much, but I still haven't forgiven the new editors for abandoning the green cover and I ain't buying until they change it back... Hopefully, with the other positive comments in this thread on the mag's recent issues, they will give this matter some consideration when they re-launch it. If they do "go green" they'll certainly have a regular buyer here, and maybe even a subscriber.

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Posted 24 March 2006 - 21:00

I'm so excited, its like christmas in spring

new look, more content, please god a return to real paper... oh yippee, anychance of using us as a sorta "taste clinic"

#1086 PRD

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 16:02

The Green One is back :clap:

#1087 Paul Butler

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 16:35

Originally posted by PRD
The Green One is back :clap:


How do you know?

#1088 PRD

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 17:16

Originally posted by Paul Butler


How do you know?


advert on page 150 , May edition of Classic & Sportscar arrived in the post this morning

www.motorsportmagazine.co.uk

#1089 Barry Boor

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 17:27

Well, April 1st has gone so this could be correct.

If so, is it the best news I've heard in months? It sure is!

#1090 ensign14

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 17:29

they've changed the typeface

#1091 D-Type

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 17:34

Interesting - the press pack calls it Motor Sport, not Motorsport or MotorSport.

Not sure about the page layouts though. Let's wait and see.

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 17:55

Originally posted by D-Type

Interesting - the press pack calls it Motor Sport, not Motorsport or MotorSport.

That's because, Duncan, t'was ever thus!

Read back far enough in this thread, and I think you'll find all of we ex-MS staffers said as much.

#1093 Gary C

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 18:10

it's about time the magazine had a website too!

#1094 Paul Butler

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 18:10

Originally posted by PRD


advert on page 150 , May edition of Classic & Sportscar arrived in the post this morning

www.motorsportmagazine.co.uk



The press pack looks good so I'm going to :clap: for this one!

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 18:30

ding dong the red is dead, the evil dead the awful red
ding dong the evil red is dead

looks impressive, same solid copy better presentation, RESPECT for tradition

I wonder will the subscription department get an overhaul too?

hearty congratulations and the very best of luck, I may buy one off the shelf on top of my sub as a keepsake.

#1096 Tim Murray

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 18:38

. . . more contemporary historic motor racing . . .

Oh dear.

Otherwise - roll on May 12th!

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 20:09

Originally posted by Tim Murray
. . more contemporary historic motor racing . . .

Oh dear.

Otherwise - roll on May 12th!


I will add, "Oh, my...." to your "Oh, dear..."

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 20:46

Originally posted by HDonaldCapps


I will add, "Oh, my...." to your "Oh, dear..."


Give the chaps a break...this looks to me like a lovely leap back in the right direction :clap:

#1099 bradbury west

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 21:29

Looks good to me. The Press Pack looks good. It is to be hoped that they have the right people writing for them still, although Richard Heseltine is slated in Octane as being a freelance now.

They appear to have found a direction. IMHO the other three similar, competing, magazines have all upped their game in the past 18 months or so.

Good luck to the team at Motor Sport.

RL

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 22:00

Originally posted by Twin Window
That's because, Duncan, t'was ever thus!

Read back far enough in this thread, and I think you'll find all of we ex-MS staffers said as much.

I know that, you know that, but the present lot don't! ): Take the final paragraph of the April editorial for example, it definitely says MotorSport. :mad:

Greenblood,
Personally, I hope the subscription dept don't sort themselves out a I'm still paying the same as when I took out the subscription! :p