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#1101 Barry Boor

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 22:12

You are lucky, D. My new bank and MotorSport between them mucked up my direct debit when I changed banks and I missed the April issue.

My bank phoned M.S. while I was standing at the counter, sorted it out and I was informed that everything will be o.k. from May onwards and I would receive my April issue in 10-14 days. That will be a month ago this coming Friday!

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#1102 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 00:58

Anyone here know anything about Stratfield Publishing? Financially viable? Enthusiast owned and operated?

Thanks.

Jack

#1103 ian senior

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 07:12

Originally posted by Jack-the-Lad
Anyone here know anything about Stratfield Publishing? Financially viable? Enthusiast owned and operated?

Thanks.

Jack


That's what I've been wondering too. I wouldn't want a few months of joy only to see the whole thing go belly up after a while.

#1104 Cargo

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 07:50

Originally posted by green-blood
ding dong the red is dead, the evil dead the awful red
ding dong the evil red is dead



Ding Dong indeed!!! :clap: :clap: Fingers crossed this all works out okay - but am I the only one to notice that all this info on the relaunch has arrived around April fool's day? :

#1105 Rob29

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 07:56

Originally posted by D-Type



Greenblood,
Personally, I hope the subscription dept don't sort themselves out a I'm still paying the same as when I took out the subscription! :p

Same here,paid £6.50 for 3 months last friday!

#1106 Ted Walker

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 08:19

I met the new owner at Stoneleigh and he is keen to make it work (green cover etc) Lets give it a chance

#1107 petefenelon

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 11:25

MS deserves to succeed - it seems to be in enthusiastic hands who understand what we want from the title. It looks like the excesses of the Haymarket red period will be toned down and I promise not to cancel my sub (I resubscribed after the April issue!) until I see the first 'Top 100" ;)

#1108 ensign14

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 11:45

Originally posted by petefenelon
...until I see the first 'Top 100" ;)

"Top 100 Cars To Have One Race Only" would be fine by me. Or "Top 100 DNQers" - Ralph Ligouri coming near the top?

#1109 Mallory Dan

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 14:57

"Best 100 Ever Northern Libre Races from teh 1970s", that'd be a good 'un ...

#1110 bradbury west

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 15:07

I doubt very much whether Haymarket have sold the entity we know as Motor Sport. It has probably been licensed or franchised out to the new keeper, who will clearly have every incentive to make it work, possibly freed from some of the over-riding politics or policy. Perhaps they might give themselves access to some more freelance writers specialising in particular marques/eras/race series etc. Time will tell, but they deserve the break.

It is telling that in the Press Pack they have identified their niche readership so it has clearly been well researched and thought out.
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#1111 smarjoram

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 15:35

This is exciting. Lovely old green again and the re-design looks very classy too. I particularly like the look of the photography in the press pack.

#1112 Mark Bennett

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 15:40

I've been getting Motor Sport since I was about 17... And I have another year to go before I meet the target demographic!

I feel old before my time... :wave:

#1113 green-blood

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 18:17

me too, but I've got 15 years in hand.... :rolleyes:

#1114 philippe charuest

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 18:45

it look like an "octanisation " to me, crap like the.. committed an wealthy car enthusiast....glamourous lifestyle.....and readers are affluent high spending achiever . the garbage can is already full . i hope that its just very bad taste advertisement

#1115 Mal9444

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 19:04

Forgive my ignorance, but... should I move from Octane to the revamped Motorsport, if what I want is artciles and picturews of '50s and 60s motor racing?

BTW: SCM told me (oops, there I go again, dropping those silly old names) that in his days of driving there was one of the magazines, and I think he said it was Motorsport, that only had a green cover when a British car or driver won a Grand Prix. The rest of the time the cover was red. Is this the same Motorsport of which you all speak?

And as I said at the beginning, do forgive my ignorance/ naivety... I realsie this thread began nearly six years ago.

#1116 petefenelon

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 20:29

Originally posted by Mal9444
Forgive my ignorance, but... should I move from Octane to the revamped Motorsport, if what I want is artciles and picturews of '50s and 60s motor racing?

BTW: SCM told me (oops, there I go again, dropping those silly old names) that in his days of driving there was one of the magazines, and I think he said it was Motorsport, that only had a green cover when a British car or driver won a Grand Prix. The rest of the time the cover was red. Is this the same Motorsport of which you all speak?

And as I said at the beginning, do forgive my ignorance/ naivety... I realsie this thread began nearly six years ago.


Autosport used to do green covers for significant British triumphs - I'm not sure what they defined as 'significant' but first GP wins, World championships, Le Mans wins for a British constructor - that seemed to be the sort of level back when I paid attention to the magazine!

#1117 Mal9444

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 20:50

Thanks, Pete - Autosport it must have been. Mind you, he could have said anything, and I would have believed it...

#1118 Twin Window

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 21:09

Originally posted by petefenelon

Autosport used to do green covers for significant British triumphs...

Latterly Autosport has been published with a green masthead (I say green, because recently it's not even been close to [a version of] 'BRG') in recognition of 'major' British motorsporting achievements.

Off the top of my head, Dan Wheldon's Indy 500 win may have been the most recent, but I don't see that many issues these days...

#1119 petefenelon

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 22:40

Originally posted by Twin Window
but I don't see that many issues these days...


A mantra one hears from many sources these days. What have the ABCs been like for the last couple of years?

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#1120 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 01:40

Can someone tell us the issue date/number when MS changed from contemporary to historic content?

Many thanks.

Jack

#1121 Stephen W

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 09:39

Originally posted by petefenelon


Autosport used to do green covers for significant British triumphs - I'm not sure what they defined as 'significant' but first GP wins, World championships, Le Mans wins for a British constructor - that seemed to be the sort of level back when I paid attention to the magazine!


They also did a blue AUTOSPORT heading when Ecurie Ecosse won Le Mans!

:cool:

#1122 Rob29

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 09:47

Originally posted by Stephen W


They also did a blue AUTOSPORT heading when Ecurie Ecosse won Le Mans!

:cool:

Also a White with green lettering for Moss Mercedes win at Aintree 1955.

#1123 ensign14

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 10:03

Originally posted by Stephen W


They also did a blue AUTOSPORT heading when Ecurie Ecosse won Le Mans!

:cool:

And for Colin McRae.

When James Hunt won in '76, there was no green cover.

#1124 petefenelon

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 10:09

Originally posted by Jack-the-Lad
Can someone tell us the issue date/number when MS changed from contemporary to historic content?

Many thanks.

Jack


Without having the issues to hand, I think it was the April 1997 issue.

#1125 Twin Window

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 10:28

Originally posted by ensign14

When James Hunt won in '76, there was no green cover.

I think you mean masthead, Ens. TTBOMK there's never been an entire cover done in green as a celebration.

#1126 ensign14

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 10:43

Yes. Masthead. Nautical but nice.

#1127 Rob29

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 10:50

Originally posted by Twin Window
I think you mean masthead, Ens. TTBOMK there's never been an entire cover done in green as a celebration.

No,when I first found Autosport in the 50s the masthead and the bottom detailing contents were all red with white lettering,with black & white photo in between.Green replaced red for Brit car wins. When masthead changed to white with red lettering,likewise green lettering. I think this tradition had dissapeared by the Hunt era.So many british wins almost every issue would have been green?

#1128 Twin Window

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 11:30

It certainly got dropped/forgotten for many years, but was revived - IIRC - in the early 1990s (Herbert's Le Mans win, perhaps? (I should bloody remember this, as I was on the mag when it was rekindled! :D )

#1129 wdm

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 12:11

Originally posted by Twin Window
It certainly got dropped/forgotten for many years, but was revived - IIRC - in the early 1990s (Herbert's Le Mans win, perhaps? (I should bloody remember this, as I was on the mag when it was rekindled! :D )

Herbert's GP win at Silverstone certainly got a green masthead.

Willie

#1130 chazh

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 13:09

Jaguar's 1988 Le Mans win got a green masthead, not sure about any in the years immediately preceding that.

#1131 D-Type

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 14:23

And it famously went dark blue for the Ecurie Ecosse Le Mans victories in '56 and '57.

#1132 KJJ

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 15:47

Originally posted by D-Type
And it famously went dark blue for the Ecurie Ecosse Le Mans victories in '56 and '57.


What's the story with these Ecurie Ecosse blue covers? My 1957 Le Mans victory issue is green.

#1133 D-Type

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 15:53

It's mentioned in Graham Gauld's history of EE. Maybe it was only 1956 then.

#1134 Stephen W

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 15:53

Originally posted by KJJ


What's the story with these Ecurie Ecosse blue covers? My 1957 Le Mans victory issue is green.


AUTOSPORT not Motor Sport!

#1135 KJJ

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 16:56

Originally posted by Stephen W


AUTOSPORT not Motor Sport!


OK no need to shout......that's what I said, my copy of Autosport covering the 1957 Le Mans victory is green not blue....perhaps I should sell it on ebay.

#1136 Mal9444

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 20:36

Fair enough - silly mistake, anyone can make them but I manage more than most. It was Autosport changed the covers for a British win, not Motorsport.

Now, about my original question - would I be better off with Motorsport rather than Octane if what I like to read about and see pictures of is Grand Prix and sports car racing in the Fifties and Sixties?

Thanks, all.

:confused:

#1137 philippe charuest

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 20:58

Originally posted by Mal9444
Fair enough - silly mistake, anyone can make them but I manage more than most. It was Autosport changed the covers for a British win, not Motorsport.

Now, about my original question - would I be better off with Motorsport rather than Octane if what I like to read about and see pictures of is Grand Prix and sports car racing in the Fifties and Sixties?

Thanks, all.

:confused:

yes so far ,motorsport was/is a better motorsport history magazine then octane . but im not sure if it will be for long , i smell that" rich and famous lifestyle" crap trend

#1138 Spaceframe

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 21:05

Originally posted by philippe charuest
yes so far ,motorsport was/is a better motorsport history magazine then octane . but im not sure if it will be for long , i smell that" rich and famous lifestyle" crap trend

Too many reports from historic meetings are too large for my liking - I buy Motorsport for the histories from the past eras (and it's the only racing magazine I buy these days - stopped buying Autosport and the German Rallye Racing and SportAuto in the mid-1990s).

#1139 philippe charuest

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 22:58

http://www.vintageracecar.com/
Vintage Racecar Journal. theres this one who is good too and at a very honest price

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#1140 Vitesse2

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 23:08

Originally posted by philippe charuest
http://www.vintageracecar.com/
Vintage Racecar Journal. theres this one who is good too and at a very honest price

On your side of the pond maybe the price looks good, but it costs an arm and a leg here ....

#1141 Antoine Pilette

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 23:12

Never seen it in North Atlanta :

#1142 Rob29

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 07:25

Nor in UK. At $95 for 12 mths sub 'an arm & a leg' is my opinion too.

#1143 Mal9444

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 07:57

Thanks all. Like several in the thread dedicated to Octane, I too have sensed what Phillippe here describes as the 'rich and famous lifestyle crap' in that magazine. (My irritation is no doubt excarebated by having submitted an article for which I did not even get an acknowledgement, never mind a polite rejection - no prizes for any who have seen my posts for guessing what it was about).

Just had a glimpse at Vintage Race Car. It makes me feel very old (not to say narrow minded) to see that someone classes 1992 as vintage!

Rushing out today to find the latest Motorsport.

:wave:

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who should have heeded Samuel Johnson's advice...

#1144 bradbury west

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 08:02

Originally posted by Spaceframe

- I buy Motorsport for the histories from the past eras (and it's the only racing magazine I buy these days - .


In that case you will probably like The Automobile, monthly for £35 per year last time I subscribed. Very good as it only goes up to 1960, and the writers they use are all recognised as experts in their era/marque etc, rather like a thinking man's VSCC mag. Like the VSCC their photo archives are superb.Sometimes when it may cover things from the twenties etc it may seem a bit off what you may want to read, but of its type, it is always good. Circulation is around 5000 subscribers I believe, and it is usually available at Smith's.

usual disclaimers etc

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#1145 Darren Galpin

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 08:58

1992 is vintage? Hey, I knew that if I kept my '92 Nissan Micra K10 on the road for long enough it would start to appreciate in value because it would become vintage or classic! :p

#1146 Alan Cox

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 10:18

You have to appreciat that the American understanding of "vintage" is anything that isn't current, unlike the VSCC's classification which is pre-1931 (admittedly, you will see cars built post-1931 in today's Vintage races, but that is another topic entirely).

#1147 David Beard

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 16:08

Originally posted by Vitesse2

On your side of the pond maybe the price looks good, but it costs an arm and a leg here ....



Yer what???

A tenner for a year's subscription at Stoneleigh. Just got my first copy, in addition to the free back issue on the stand.

#1148 Spaceframe

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 19:40

Originally posted by bradbury west


In that case you will probably like The Automobile, monthly for £35 per year last time I subscribed. Very good as it only goes up to 1960, and the writers they use are all recognised as experts in their era/marque etc, rather like a thinking man's VSCC mag. Like the VSCC their photo archives are superb.Sometimes when it may cover things from the twenties etc it may seem a bit off what you may want to read, but of its type, it is always good. Circulation is around 5000 subscribers I believe, and it is usually available at Smith's.

usual disclaimers etc

RL


That sounds like it worth having a look at - I find the period from after WW I to the end of the front-engined GP cars very interesting, although I wouldn't mind a bit of the 1960s and even the 1970s. After all Emerson Fittipaldi was my childhood hero ;)

However, I haven't got the slightest clue about what "Smith's" is - I assume it's a specialist shop, but I'm from Denmark, and I've never seen any of those over here.

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 21:06

Many apologies for the apparent confusion over "Smith's". They are a national chain of newspapers and book shops in UK.

The Automobile may have a website. If there is a problem finding contact details please e mail me and I will try to help. By the way, the 1960 cut off year is definite.

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 21:15

Originally posted by Spaceframe


That sounds like it worth having a look at - I find the period from after WW I to the end of the front-engined GP cars very interesting, although I wouldn't mind a bit of the 1960s and even the 1970s. After all Emerson Fittipaldi was my childhood hero ;)

However, I haven't got the slightest clue about what "Smith's" is - I assume it's a specialist shop, but I'm from Denmark, and I've never seen any of those over here.

"The Automobile" does concentrate more on road cars than racing: generally one or two racing features per month. They are brave enough to put in detailed research though, sometimes over two issues - there was an excellent two-parter on the Lightweight Special, for example.

Smith's is a newsagent. But if you want an odd copy to look at before subscribing, try The Magazine Man, who will supply single copies to order.

Originally posted by Spaceframe
A tenner for a year's subscription at Stoneleigh. Just got my first copy, in addition to the free back issue on the stand.

Only place I've ever seen it on sale here is Hortons, who charge silly money for them. A tenner is certainly a bargain, but as Rob says they quote $95 on their website. Is that mailed from the US or UK David? I know they have some sort of tie-up with Brooklands Books.