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#1701 David McKinney

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 04:55

Funny thing happened with my Motor Sport sub - it's been stopped. They've been taking money out of my bank account every three months but I didn't receive the latest issue. Instead I got a letter asking why I'd cancelled - which I hadn't (and there were enough funds in the account to cover the payment). That's finally made my mind up for me, and saved me the trouble of cancelling.
But any of you who have quarterly payments due in the next month or two might find the same glitch cancels your subs for you :D

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#1702 Barry Boor

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 06:37

Cancelled mine a week ago. Very sad but necessary.... :(

#1703 Cirrus

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 06:50

Just cancelled mine as well - there seems to be a bit of an exodus!. I think I'll give Vintage Racecar a try for a while....

#1704 Barry Boor

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 06:56

Do that, Alan, I'm sure you won't be sorry.

#1705 Julian Roberts

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 12:02

I too have just cancelled mine, and like Barry with some sadness as my bound collection goes back to 1946. However it is simply no longer worth reading - or the money.

What I found very ironic was that after I cancelled I received a letter from them acknowledging my cancellation but assuming I had done in error ! It doesn't seem to have crossed their minds that we long term former subscribers are cancelling proactively.

#1706 petefenelon

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 12:48

Originally posted by Fiorentina 1
Road and Track is getting a lot better. They are trying to bring it to European standards (Sport Auto, etc) with their comparison tests and stories (24 Hours Nurburgring, Poesche Cup etc). It's still not as good as Evo, but it's better then say Car & Driver and Automobile.


I don't really rate Evo the magazine, but the occasional 'specials' they bring out compiling the best bits are nicely done - 250-odd pages and no ads for a tenner. There was a good 'Supercars' one that went some way beyond the usual hagiography for anything whose name ends in 'i' or comes from Zuffenhausen (although did share Top Gear's perpetual stiffy for the Koenigsegg - wake me when there's one in GT1); there's currently one about great British sports cars - not just exotica, either - that also looks quite interesting (and does have a nice photo feature on the Lotus 72 in there).

#1707 Mallory Dan

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 13:23

Originally posted by Roger Clark

Comprehensively blown off? Do you really think so?


OK Roger, I may be a little over the top, perhaps 'usually well-beaten' is more accurate.

Elsewhere in MS, on the Tour Brittania Porsche article, apparently there's a pic of the "956B" they used. Mmmmm, that must have raised a few eyebrows at Coombe Park...

#1708 ian senior

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 14:27

I know we tend to be grumpy buggers with regard to this subject, but is there anyone out there who actually has something kind to say about Motor Sport?

As recorded earlier, I had a quick look at the latest edition in WHS, and was impressed enough to actually shell out the not insubstantial price to buy the thing. It was another case of being misled by a good first impression. Yes, at first glance it looks nice, but as a read it was not very satisfying. I'm no expert on anything, but it didn't tell me anything that I didn't already know. Is that what it's all about these days, all style and no substance? Is it just aiming to provide a nice gentle read for newcomers to the history of the sport?

Try and attract new readers by all means (and let's be honest, if they don't it will ultimately fail) but don't rile the long serving readers while doing so.

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 14:32

I quite enjoy it, although some more in-depth reporting would be a good thing. Compared to most of the other motor car magazines currently available, I think it is reasonable value for money. And they did listen to us....in re-doing their front page in green. The red version was truly horrid imo.

#1710 isynge

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 14:46

Originally posted by ian senior
I know we tend to be grumpy buggers with regard to this subject, but is there anyone out there who actually has something kind to say about Motor Sport?


The short answer here is yes, I still enjoy it. I've been reading it, more on than off, for the thick end of 25 years and am the first to say I notice the difference, and in an ideal world the encyclopaedic articles with a wealth of detail you'd get in the early 80s would still be in the mag today.

That said, the world changes, many many things are both better and worse now and I'm happy to say that even although MS is a different beast I'm still happy to shell out for it month on month. It now struggles to tell me something genuinely new, although sometime manages to surprise, but serves its purpose by being a good lifestyle mag that happens to talk about something I'm interested in. If nothing else, it's a nice quirky addition to the magazine box in the sitting room.

No, it doesn't fill days like it did when I first started, but equally I'm not 11 any more. Sure I could tell more about the 312 by leafing through Time and Two Seats, but at least MS prompts to me go and revisit the weighty tome.

Sure lots has changed, but in a world where the choice is between MS as it is now, nothing, or something like Autosport, I know which I'm pleased exists, and which consistently gets house room.

I may be in a minority of one here, but keep up the good work guys!

#1711 Bill Becketts

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 20:34

Originally posted by isynge


The short answer here is yes, I still enjoy it. I've been reading it, more on than off, for the thick end of 25 years and am the first to say I notice the difference, and in an ideal world the encyclopaedic articles with a wealth of detail you'd get in the early 80s would still be in the mag today.

That said, the world changes, many many things are both better and worse now and I'm happy to say that even although MS is a different beast I'm still happy to shell out for it month on month. It now struggles to tell me something genuinely new, although sometime manages to surprise, but serves its purpose by being a good lifestyle mag that happens to talk about something I'm interested in. If nothing else, it's a nice quirky addition to the magazine box in the sitting room.

No, it doesn't fill days like it did when I first started, but equally I'm not 11 any more. Sure I could tell more about the 312 by leafing through Time and Two Seats, but at least MS prompts to me go and revisit the weighty tome.

Sure lots has changed, but in a world where the choice is between MS as it is now, nothing, or something like Autosport, I know which I'm pleased exists, and which consistently gets house room.

I may be in a minority of one here, but keep up the good work guys!


Minority of two...... :)

I agree with your your thoughts 100%

For me, there is no other magazine that comes close to covering "Race Car" history and the resulting nostalgia.....Yes, it's been a much better Magazine in the past but, it's also been a lot worse...!

This thread may have run it's course....... :).....for now ;)

#1712 pingst

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 21:20

Originally posted by Bill Becketts


Minority of two...... :)

I agree with your your thoughts 100%

For me, there is no other magazine that comes close to covering "Race Car" history and the resulting nostalgia.....Yes, it's been a much better Magazine in the past but, it's also been a lot worse...!

This thread may have run it's course....... :).....for now ;)


I belong also to the minority. I have just renewed my subscription. I could not find a better magazine but of course I want more pages, text and picture. But show me a magazine today that can give You all that. Sometimes I think some of the criticism is that the magazine should be exact as before. I am hopefull for the magazine.

#1713 philippe charuest

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Posted 13 October 2006 - 21:45

me too (i buy the "thing" at the store but anyway) i thinq theres an improvment since the come back of the green cover. i just bought the october issue with the board track articles and they go (or go back) in the right direction, but get rid of the gadget for the rich pages and the modern gt pages . and i dont need a picture of there lunch when they do an interview

#1714 pingst

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Posted 14 October 2006 - 15:56

Originally posted by philippe charuest
me too (i buy the "thing" at the store but anyway) i thinq theres an improvment since the come back of the green cover. i just bought the october issue with the board track articles and they go (or go back) in the right direction, but get rid of the gadget for the rich pages and the modern gt pages . and i dont need a picture of there lunch when they do an interview



Why I still read motorsport. I take the october issue as exempel beacause I am swede and the october issue has not yeat reach sweden. I cuold read about "Board track racing". I have never heard about it before but perhaps it help me to understand why the american even today lika ovalracing. I think we had some board track in sweden but it was mostly motorcycle. I will do some research and see if even we have had carracing on boardtrack.

I read an intresting article about Emerson F. A lot of intresting reading. I noticed that he is "born again" and had some religious experience. I have heard the same about Senna and Riberio. Is it some special for the brasilian driver to be religious. A matter to do some reserach about.

I like the BRM P163 profile but not the studiophoto But You can not get all. Somewhere in the world some people like studiophoto

I also like the lunch-interview. In the manner You eat your lunch tells a lot of things about a person. Stirling M had nearly not time to eat and Lord March in quite different way. But together they the have same interest.

Somtetimes I think the layout had to big picture or to small but I must realized that a magazine has to change over time and I think even Motorsport must change to be up to date.

I will continuie to reda Motorsport so long as I get new knowledge from the magzine and it inspire me to do more research.

#1715 RA Historian

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 23:25

Originally posted by pingst


I belong also to the minority. I have just renewed my subscription. I could not find a better magazine but of course I want more pages, text and picture. But show me a magazine today that can give You all that. Sometimes I think some of the criticism is that the magazine should be exact as before. I am hopefull for the magazine.


Me too! I like it. I have subscribed since 1997 when it changed formats and think it is very good indeed. While we may all want something different, the realities of modern day publishing, advertising, distribution, etc., make putting out a magazine a difficult proposition. I think the licensing of the title to a new group is breathing some fresh life into the magazine. All this trashing of the mag strikes me as just so much whining for the good old days and resistance to change which is inevitable. Times change.

MS is one of my two favorites, the other being the US Vintage Motorsport. Road & Track has tanked and become just another Motor Trend, full of boring road tests with the 'Track' portion of thier title having been reduced to insignifigance. Never did read "Cur and Drivel"

#1716 Paul Taylor

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 23:45

Do you think they should go back to the old layouts that they used from the very beginning, all the way up until the 1980s when they seemed to have lots more text in a much smaller font and fewer pictures (except in the centre pages)?

At least we can be thankful it's not like those awful Motor Sports of the 1960s, where you had to flick through 20 pages of classifieds before you got to the Index and "Matters Of Moment". :p Although you did get much more for your money...

#1717 petefenelon

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 09:28

Originally posted by Paul Taylor
Do you think they should go back to the old layouts that they used from the very beginning, all the way up until the 1980s when they seemed to have lots more text in a much smaller font and fewer pictures (except in the centre pages)?

At least we can be thankful it's not like those awful Motor Sports of the 1960s, where you had to flick through 20 pages of classifieds before you got to the Index and "Matters Of Moment". :p Although you did get much more for your money...


Personally I'd love to see 2-3 times as much text as we get now, but that's not what the newsstand market wants. (This one was thrashed out with ex-Autosport ed John McIlroy on Ten Tenths a couple of years back - virtually everyone on Ten Tenths who could string a sentence together wanted a magazine that was more like the Autosport of the 70s/80s, with more depth and real background, more technical material, fuller race reports, and less F1 speculation and hype - but John pointed out that although we wanted that (and there was a strong subtext that he and some of the staff would've preferred that) the sales figures for such a magazine would be disastrous these days.

People who come here aren't representative of the magazine audience at large. In general, we read. Which puts us in a small minority...

#1718 kayemod

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 09:38

Originally posted by petefenelon

People who come here aren't representative of the magazine audience at large. In general, we read. Which puts us in a small minority...


Tragic, but undeniably true.

#1719 Allen Brown

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 10:26

Originally posted by petefenelon
People who come here aren't representative of the magazine audience at large. In general, we read. Which puts us in a small minority...

Once again, Pete completely nails it.

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#1720 ian senior

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 10:41

And 20 years on, if we have any magazines at all, they'll be written in txt, U w8 n c.

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 11:00

Originally posted by ian senior
U w8 n c.


All of a sudden, I feel a bit sicky-wicky.

#1722 David Beard

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 11:55

Originally posted by petefenelon


People who come here aren't representative of the magazine audience at large. In general, we read. Which puts us in a small minority...


True

Lots of us read books by the specialists, and old magazines from the period in which we are interested (they are easy enough to get hold of). If you really want to learn the history, that is what you do......hopefully in addition to original research. A monthly magazine can't replace any of these activities...but apparently some people think it should. :

#1723 RA Historian

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 12:10

Originally posted by David Beard


True

Lots of us read books by the specialists, and old magazines from the period in which we are interested (they are easy enough to get hold of). If you really want to learn the history, that is what you do......hopefully in addition to original research. A monthly magazine can't replace any of these activities...but apparently some people think it should. :


Well said. Those of us who are "enthusiasts" buy the mags, have libraries of books, and networks like this. However, we do not make up sufficient numbers to allow publishers to turn a decent profit. They know they have us; but they have to sell to the casual, occasional buyer in order to make a dollar (or pound). And therein lies the rub!

#1724 Graham Gauld

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 14:37

As one with reasonable experience of the very specialised historic motor racing field. The one element which understandably has not been brought up here, but which is the true key to getting the magazine out and about, is the distribution industry. A magazine is printed and published but to get it into the shops it has to go through one of a handful of big distributors. If they don't like the sound of the magazine and their marketing people THINK there is no market for it you are left high and dry. If it is an International magazine, as a specialist historic magazine can only be to mop up the potential circulation, you are faced with this situation in every country. With one of my magazines it took us eight months before Barnes and Noble in the USA would agree to even put it on their shelves.
You have to be very brave and have brave and wealthy backers to sit-out the waiting period that always takes place before the magazine takes off.
Let me remind you of Time-Life's sports magazine Sports Illustrated. It took thirteen years before it washed its face but later became one of their flagship magazines. Its a tough business and few publishers today can spare the time and the money to hang on and build up circulation and advertising revenue which run hand in hand.

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 14:50

Originally posted by ian senior
And 20 years on, if we have any magazines at all, they'll be written in txt, U w8 n c.


Nostradamus was an amateur compared to Orwell. :

#1726 Allan Lupton

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 15:25

Originally posted by Paul Taylor
Do you think they should go back to the old layouts that they used from the very beginning, all the way up until the 1980s when they seemed to have lots more text in a much smaller font and fewer pictures (except in the centre pages)?

At least we can be thankful it's not like those awful Motor Sports of the 1960s, where you had to flick through 20 pages of classifieds before you got to the Index and "Matters Of Moment". :p Although you did get much more for your money...


I feel a word of information to the young from one who bought MS from the 1950s onwards is called for (apologies if this has been said, but I found this thread recently and haven't read everything!).

You must understand that what we had in those days was a monthly news magazine which gave people like DSJ (and were there people like DSJ?) time to write a well-crafted race report that we could enjoy reading (and re-reading decades later, in some cases).
There were road tests of all sorts of cars in which WB did not mince his words (and which led to BMC withdrawing their advertising, IIRC), unlike The Autocar and The Motor which at worst would praise with faint damns. . . .
We also tried to get it ASAP on the first of the month because those Classifieds (after the editorial text, not before, by the way) were advertising what we might want to buy.

Somewhere since the last copy I bought (1991) it seems to have become a retrospective magazine which much reduces its appeal. It's not the old layout that we older ones miss, it's the old content, not to mention style.

#1727 petefenelon

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 16:36

Originally posted by Graham Gauld

Let me remind you of Time-Life's sports magazine Sports Illustrated. It took thirteen years before it washed its face but later became one of their flagship magazines. Its a tough business and few publishers today can spare the time and the money to hang on and build up circulation and advertising revenue which run hand in hand.


Motor Sport has never, to the best of my knowledge, had the swimsuit issue.;)

It puzzles me how small presses can put out reasonably good but specialist railway or aviation mags at sensible prices, yet we have to suffer hods of lifestyle bollocks, ads for vulgar bourge-mobiles, and about six words a page in MS.

Then again, MS is trying to make it obvious to me that it doesn't want me as a reader. I don't own a classic/historic vehicle (or in fact any vehicle at all). I wear a 30 quid watch, not a €150,000 one. I'm not interested in the rarefied atmosphere of style et luxe. I just want a magazine about proper motor racing, written by and for literate and erudite adults.

#1728 Paul Taylor

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 17:30

Originally posted by petefenelon
People who come here aren't representative of the magazine audience at large. In general, we read. Which puts us in a small minority...


What is the primary audience for Motor Sport magazine? If they are writing it with a teenage audience in mind, yet people in their 40s and over read it the most, then they're making a big mistake, aren't they?

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 21:02

Originally I bought Motor Sport for its informed (ie DSJ) race reporting, its style and its general flavour. It was written by enthusiasts for enthusiasts. I drifted away for a while and then came back to it. I became more and more disappointed as the quality of the writing deteriorated and the gimmicks, such as printing over photos, appeared. then the re-launched it as a nostalgia magazine and I showed support by taking out a subscription (admittedly with the bribe of ajim Clark biography). There was, I think, a promisethat the sub was frozen.

This year the ownership changed , they nearly doubled my subscription and I am reconsidering my position.

The alternatives, Octane or Classic & Sports Car, don't really appeal that much. Octane has one or two good articles at most, (I saw a recent one featured covering the Targa Florio in Geoff Goddard's company and proved to be written by none other than a certain D C Nye), but the rest is rubbish. The magazine suffers from not having access to a good photo ligrary. C&S C tends to focus too much on the cars rather than the racing and the personalities anddoes always seem to have to feature a Jaguar/TR Triumph/MG?Austin Healey feature. So I m left with Motor sport as the 'least worst' of the bunch.

The sad thing is, it could be so much better. The magazine and its writers used to take a pride in accuracy, including WB reviewing a book he had written and pointing to an error! How often have members of this forum settled a question of fact with the words 'Motor Sport said ...'? And now we make a game of 'spot this month's error' or evidence of poor research. They have access to the LAT archive and they ape Octane's studio shots or print the period pictures as if they were snapshots.

#1730 Paul Taylor

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 21:10

Who are the main writers at the moment?

#1731 petefenelon

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Posted 17 October 2006 - 21:31

I can only assume the target audience for MS these days are arriviste owners of classics and those impressed by glitz over content - and those who supply their need, given the amount of material about the "trade" in it.

I get the impression MS is meant for the coffee table and the waiting room outside the executive offices, not the bookshelves of keen amateur historians.

The green issues are improving, a bit, but they've a long way to go.

#1732 James Page

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Posted 18 October 2006 - 09:02

Originally posted by Paul Taylor
What is the primary audience for Motor Sport magazine? If they are writing it with a teenage audience in mind, yet people in their 40s and over read it the most, then they're making a big mistake, aren't they?


It's definitely not written with teenagers in mind! Pete's pretty much on the mark with this, I think:

"I get the impression MS is meant for the coffee table and the waiting room outside the executive offices, not the bookshelves of keen amateur historians."

Hence the Octane-style studio shots and the tendency towards linking historic motor cars into some sort of 'lifestyle'. Style over substance, in other words. The exact opposite of what the magazine was 40 years ago.

#1733 ian senior

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Posted 18 October 2006 - 09:30

Originally posted by petefenelon


It puzzles me how small presses can put out reasonably good but specialist railway or aviation mags at sensible prices, yet we have to suffer hods of lifestyle bollocks, ads for vulgar bourge-mobiles, and about six words a page in MS.


That's exactly what I can't understand either. Some of the stuff we see on the shelves must have a similar in size target audience to those who are interested in the history of motor sport, but neverthless these other magazines thrive. And they manage to do it by sticking to the subject, without degenerating into "lifestyle". It would be fun to see adverts for watches in the likes of the Railway Magazine - what would they be? Cheap digital jobs from Casio?

I suspect that something better could be done, but as others who know more than me have pointed out, not without difficulty. It amazes (and pleases) me that The Automobile, for instance, carries on nicely in its own sweet way yet those interested in its subject matter are probably less in number than those who want a proper magazine about old motor racing.

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Posted 18 October 2006 - 09:42

Originally posted by ian senior

It would be fun to see adverts for watches in the likes of the Railway Magazine - what would they be? Cheap digital jobs from Casio?

British Rail watches. Always 45 minutes slow.

#1735 kayemod

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Posted 18 October 2006 - 09:45

Originally posted by ensign14
British Rail watches. Always 45 minutes slow.


And usually curling up at the edges.

#1736 Mallory Dan

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Posted 18 October 2006 - 11:44

Originally posted by ensign14
British Rail watches. Always 45 minutes slow.


Bit like your back-4 last night Ens!!

Sorry couldn't resist that one chaps, but its been a s---e season so far...

#1737 petefenelon

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Posted 18 October 2006 - 12:21

Originally posted by ian senior


That's exactly what I can't understand either. Some of the stuff we see on the shelves must have a similar in size target audience to those who are interested in the history of motor sport, but neverthless these other magazines thrive. And they manage to do it by sticking to the subject, without degenerating into "lifestyle". It would be fun to see adverts for watches in the likes of the Railway Magazine - what would they be? Cheap digital jobs from Casio?


I suspect that if MS got a circulation a quarter of TRM's it'd be chuffed. I'm thinking more of specialist stuff like Traction.;)

#1738 Mallory Dan

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Posted 18 October 2006 - 12:35

Now there's a proper mag Pete I agree. Any chance of seeing you at the next Northern TNF meet?

#1739 ian senior

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Posted 18 October 2006 - 12:55

Originally posted by petefenelon


I suspect that if MS got a circulation a quarter of TRM's it'd be chuffed. I'm thinking more of specialist stuff like Traction.;)


I though that was a magazine about old Citroens. I guess I'd be sorely disappointed if I bought a copy.

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#1740 ensign14

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Posted 18 October 2006 - 13:22

Originally posted by Mallory Dan


Bit like your back-4 last night Ens!!

Milk turns quicker than Tebily.

#1741 petefenelon

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Posted 18 October 2006 - 13:24

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Now there's a proper mag Pete I agree. Any chance of seeing you at the next Northern TNF meet?


I was talking to David Beard about this the other day, the short answer is - probably not this year but when things are a little less hectic I'll try to get to something.

#1742 sterling49

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Posted 19 October 2006 - 19:55

Originally posted by petefenelon
I can only assume the target audience for MS these days are arriviste owners of classics and those impressed by glitz over content - and those who supply their need, given the amount of material about the "trade" in it.

I get the impression MS is meant for the coffee table and the waiting room outside the executive offices, not the bookshelves of keen amateur historians.

The green issues are improving, a bit, but they've a long way to go.


I agree the green copies are improving....but there is not a lot of good reading to be had, what a wasted opportunity with the Hans Stuck feature, they could have filled an issue on his ETC (Cologne Capri and BMW CSL) races.....just what were they thinking of, it antagonised me, thinking...of only........ :(
Can someone not lead them to this forum and let them observe what true enthusiasts want to see? They would do well to invest in some old fashion "market research".

#1743 Magee

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Posted 19 October 2006 - 21:27

"Sigmund Freud once said that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. True, but sometimes a cigar is a trend, as it was back in the '90s thanks to celebrities puffing stogies. The bubble burst when the market was flooded with lower grade tobacco, but the bad product is now mostly gone." (anon)

Is a magazine just a magazine? Are we seeing and experiencing the same phenomenon here with MS? Are the ups and downs part of the cycle? Can we expect an improvement in the future? Should we abandon the critiques for now?

#1744 Barry Boor

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Posted 19 October 2006 - 22:43

Sterling, we know that the previous publisher was a regular contributor (check back in this thread) and we have been led to believe that they do indeed look to see what we have to say.

BUT, we are merely a few souls crying out in the storm, and our views carry little weight in the grand scheme of magazine publishing.

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Posted 19 October 2006 - 23:00

Originally posted by Barry Boor
Sterling, we know that the previous publisher was a regular contributor (check back in this thread) and we have been led to believe that they do indeed look to see what we have to say.

BUT, we are merely a few souls crying out in the storm, and our views carry little weight in the grand scheme of magazine publishing.


Pity, I guess you are very near the truth, we are few and not the ones they pander to, pity because I still think even the format of the old mag is better than the current one......maybe I am just old fashioned........... :confused:

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Posted 20 October 2006 - 06:35

Maybe, but then again, what's wrong with that?

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Posted 20 October 2006 - 17:15

Originally posted by Barry Boor
Maybe, but then again, what's wrong with that?


My kids do not like my bell bottom trosers and platform shoes though!!!! Wide jacket lapels and kipper ties................. :rotfl:

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Posted 20 October 2006 - 18:02

Aaah, kipper tie....

Cue Brummie joke.......

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Posted 20 October 2006 - 18:25

Originally posted by Barry Boor
Aaah, kipper tie....

Cue Brummie joke.......


go on then Barry........I am going to regret this.........what's the joke then? :rolleyes:


Oh.......how much are TNF badges and how do I obtain one???

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Posted 03 November 2006 - 10:47

I suppose it's the time of the month to bump this thread (only joking).

But seriously, is the latest one (December issue) in the shops yet, and have subscribers received copies? It just seems a bit late to me - the November one was out on 29 September..