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#1801 Gareth Davies

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 07:00

Originally posted by Hieronymus


Someone on TNF once called Roebuck the "master of cut and paste". Then with the state of present day F1, can one blame the man????!!


No, say I. Pardon me if I'm wrong ... but I wonder if you are referring to his "Ask Nigel" segment within this website? If you are, then I'd submit that a quantum of sympathy should be extended to him. He provides three answers to questions most weeks - that's something like 150 a year and it seems to me that many of them are very similar to questions he has previously been asked, and responded to. If it were me, I think I'd be cutting and pasting my own material where necessary.

Where he does have an original question, he provides an original (and in the following case, uncompromising) response, viz his answer to the question this week about "...the press room cheer(ing) when Michael Schumacher retired with a blown engine in Japan."

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#1802 kayemod

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 10:22

Originally posted by Gareth Davies
....Where he does have an original question, he provides an original (and in the following case, uncompromising) response, viz his answer to the question this week about "...the press room cheer(ing) when Michael Schumacher retired with a blown engine in Japan."


That's right, and his 'Fifth Column' piece on current F1 happenings in the weekly magazine is almost always completely original as well, thought provoking too, as often as not. The NR stuff that appears on the website seems to be recycled endlessly, as has been said, 'The master of cut & paste' indeed. It also has to be said though, that much of it is well worth seeing for a second, third, fourth etc, time.

#1803 Arjan de Roos

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 11:21

Originally posted by Hieronymus


Someone on TNF once called Roebuck the "master of cut and paste".


Which reminds me of the vaste sound tape collection he has from interviews. It would be great to see some of them released on CD or written out. At least they should be a great source for many refreshing columns (not on Gilles I mean).

#1804 ian senior

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 11:58

Originally posted by kayemod
'The master of cut & paste' indeed. It also has to be said though, that much of it is well worth seeing for a second, third, fourth etc, time.


Up to a point. I can only take so much of Groundhog Day.

#1805 Hieronymus

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 12:47

Originally posted by ian senior


Up to a point. I can only take so much of Groundhog Day.


...unless you change it just a little bit by calling it AARDVARK day. ;)

#1806 simon drabble

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 17:06

the joining of resources between Motorsport and HMRN should be good for both and I look forward to seeing the benefits. It should beef up Carol's excellant magazine and allow MS to carry more articles on the cars rather than current historic racing (which I didnt mind but it seems some on this forum do..)

#1807 bradbury west

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 17:58

[QUOTE]Originally posted by simon drabble
[B]the joining of resources between Motorsport and HMRN should be good for both

Have I missed something somewhere as a subscriber to MS?? Tell us more, Simon. I understand Carol Spagg's publication is highly regarded of its kind so the omens are good.

I have just looked on theMS website for info, and looked at the Press Pack for possible details as there is nothing under News. They make clear whom they regard as their demographic for the readership. Rich, successful, passionate about the sport, owning and racing the iconic cars of their heroes........... I appear to have been reading the wrong magazine, or they have been taking my money under false pretences for the past 46 years then.

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#1808 Vitesse2

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 18:02

That's a relief! I thought it was me being stupid!

#1809 2F-001

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 18:06

Reading the description on myadbase.com I am even further from the core demographic for HMRN than I am for Motor Sport!

#1810 petefenelon

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 20:50

Originally posted by Vanwall




Okay, I'll step up to the line.

Your problem with Roebuck? Guilt by association having written for Autosport for years perhaps? :)


My problem with Roebuck is that for the last decade or so in Autosport he's trotted out the same mix of real-world politics (inexcusable - I don't want to know his political opinions) and "F1's all crap these days" (which is fair enough, I don't like it, but I don't get paid to inform people about it), and online for autosport.com and in print in MS, like China Daily with Mao's speeches, he keeps trotting out the same clichés in different permutations. I've seen some Roebuck paragraphs dozens of times now.

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 21:12

I hasten to add that I thought Roebuck was the heir to the HNM/Jenks tradition for many years, but his writing started to go downhill from 88-9 onwards when he became so virulently and transparently anti-Senna and pro-Prost (his later attempt to recast them both as flawed geniuses rang insincerely); post-Senna it was blatantly obvious that he'd lost interest in F1, and he found it all but impossible to hide his contempt for the way the sport had evolved in the narrow cars/grooved tyres era. Which is fair enough, but the first job of a reporter is to report the facts, not present opinions...;)

Roebuck was brilliant in his day, but I think a journalist gradually loses his grip on a sport if the guys he cares about all move on, wherever they are in the sport. Nigel makes it blatantly obvious that his heroes were Behra, Jim Clark and Rosemeyer from before his own professional involvement, and Mario, Keke, Gilles, Alan Jones, Chris Amon, Ayrton, Sir Frank/Patrick... and of them only two are left in the game.

Nigel's written two of my favourite and most re-read books about racing - Grand Prix Greats and Inside Formula One (a compilation of 80s Fifth Columns) are both highly personal, highly readable, insightful, full of wit and wisdom - because he cared about the people he was writing about. (Even then there was significant copy'n'paste between the two books, mind...;)) His biography of Mario Andretti is splendidly readable, if clearly biased in favour of its subject (then again it's difficult not to be pro-Mario). So I'm not saying Roebuck is, was and always has been rubbish; I'm saying he's been great, but his cynicism has made him unreadable.

Towards the end of the time when i was still reading Autosport regularly, Mark Hughes was the guy I'd turn to for real insight into F1; if I wanted a Daily Telegraph editorial I'd go out and buy it...

#1812 MCS

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 21:12

Originally posted by petefenelon
My problem with Roebuck is that for the last decade or so in Autosport he's trotted out the same mix of real-world politics (inexcusable - I don't want to know his political opinions) and "F1's all crap these days" (which is fair enough, I don't like it, but I don't get paid to inform people about it), and online for autosport.com and in print in MS, like China Daily with Mao's speeches, he keeps trotting out the same clichés in different permutations. I've seen some Roebuck paragraphs dozens of times now.


I haven't read Autosport weekly for almost 25 years, although I've seen it and read it briefly in waiting rooms (garages, at the dentist, etc.) occasionally in that time and it really is quite dreadful, isn't it?

Similarly, Formula One IS crap these days.

So, to the bit I don't understand.
Why on earth does Nigel Roebuck (an intelligent, erudite man) actually bother to write about modern day Formula One?

Wouldn't he be better writing about the fifties, sixties and seventies?

Moreover, as Pete suggests, why bother regurgitating the same old stuff??

#1813 Alan Cox

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 21:15

I can see no conflict between Motor Sport and HMRN. HMRN is most definitely an events-orientated journal, covering (mainly) European historic racing/rally events, initially geared largely towards those involved with the sport, but expanding in recent times to broaden its base. The connection, as I understand it, is the Motor Sport will be handling the administration and advertising, but will not have any editorial involvement.

If you want to read coverage of the principal historic events, HMRN carries significantly more than the odd paragraph that MS is able to allocate and, as Simon suggests, perhaps, in future, MS can use its space more fruitfully by devoting more column inches to historical features rather than "historic" racing.

I disclose a personal interest as an occasional contributor to HMRN.

http://www.historicm...ws.com/8.0.html

#1814 David McKinney

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 07:27

Originally posted by petefenelon
Roebuck was brilliant in his day, but I think a journalist gradually loses his grip on a sport if the guys he cares about all move on, wherever they are in the sport

...and also as F1 changes, and it becomes more difficult to build personal relationships with the drivers, who in turn are increasingly bound by their contracts not to say anything to the press which might be in any way interesting. And this climate in turn encourages the employment of a different sort of driver.
As a trained journalist (old school), I for one would find it virtually impossible to write about F1 in the 21st century.

#1815 ian senior

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 09:25

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bradbury west
[QUOTE]Originally posted by simon drabble
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I have just looked on theMS website for info, and looked at the Press Pack for possible details as there is nothing under News. They make clear whom they regard as their demographic for the readership. Rich, successful, passionate about the sport, owning and racing the iconic cars of their heroes........... I appear to have been reading the wrong magazine, or they have been taking my money under false pretences for the past 46 years then.

Roger Lund.
[/QUOTE]

Other words used are "affluent high-spending achievers", which counts me right out, so I'd better not buy it any more. I know my place.

To be fair to them, though, I suppose they could hardly say that they are targetting skint idlers. But why do they have to bother - surely the target audience is anyone interested in the history of motor racing, even if they can't afford to spend £150k on a watch.

#1816 Keir

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 15:07

For the record, I always liked Roebuck. Still do !!

#1817 bradbury west

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 15:16

Originally posted by ian senior


- surely the target audience is anyone interested in the history of motor racing, even if they can't afford to spend £150k on a watch.


Well that's a relief. Thanks, Ian. Perhaps they were aiming their words at advertisers or investors, or prospective lifestyle magazine purchasers.......................

Roger Lund.

#1818 Gareth Davies

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 11:54

I hasten to add that I thought Roebuck was the heir to the HNM/Jenks tradition for many years, but his writing started to go downhill from 88-9 onwards when he became so virulently and transparently anti-Senna and pro-Prost (his later attempt to recast them both as flawed geniuses rang insincerely); post-Senna it was blatantly obvious that he'd lost interest in F1, and he found it all but impossible to hide his contempt for the way the sport had evolved in the narrow cars/grooved tyres era. Which is fair enough, but the first job of a reporter is to report the facts, not present opinions...;)

Roebuck was brilliant in his day, but I think a journalist gradually loses his grip on a sport if the guys he cares about all move on, wherever they are in the sport. Nigel makes it blatantly obvious that his heroes were Behra, Jim Clark and Rosemeyer from before his own professional involvement, and Mario, Keke, Gilles, Alan Jones, Chris Amon, Ayrton, Sir Frank/Patrick... and of them only two are left in the game.


Well. I suppose debates are the healthier for divergence of opinion but I must say that the views expressed above do call to mind the aphorism of "Two men looked out from prison bars..." I see no evidence whatsoever that Roebuck has "lost interest in F1". On the contrary, he has demonstrated a consistent fascination with it, perhaps spiced these days with a certain disappointment about aspects of the way commercialism and vested interests have taken it, something which the poster acknowledges as having validity.

I cite his response in "Ask Nigel" of 22 November 2006 to the question "Your favourite memorabilia items." as evidence of Roebuck's continuing affection for the errant child that F1 currently seems to be. If anyone has difficulty seeing his genuine enthusiasm for F1, in both its ancient and modern guises then I don't fancy their chances in the event that a semi-trailer approaches them on the wrong side of the road!

"...the first job of a reporter is to report the facts, not present opinions...;) " Well it might be but after more than 35 years of following and writing about F1, during many of which he has been widely acknowledged within his fraternity as a leading light, I think we can allow him a somewhat greater status than mere reporter. I suggest that most of his readers enjoy his work precisely because of the opinions he presents. And that is because they do not have the access to the inside people of motor racing that he does. No, he's not just a reporter, he's a commentator.

Roebuck has heroes, manifestly. Why not? And how does that necessarily hobble the quality of his knowledge, insights and opinion? What it does do is provide evidence that he has an ongoing interest in the sport.

As Roebuck says in his reply, "In spite of working F1 for as long as I have, I have never ceased to be 'a fan', as you put it, and I trust I never will." I commend those TNFers who do not have a subscription to take one out quick smart and, after reading the aforementioned Roebuck piece then claim that he has "lost interest in F1" or has lost "his grip on a sport".

#1819 Rob29

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 10:04

Just seen january issue in local newagent ;no sign of my subscription copy :(

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#1820 RA Historian

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 12:38

Originally posted by Rob29
Just seen january issue in local newagent ;no sign of my subscription copy :(

Cheer up; I'm still waiting for my December issue.

#1821 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 09:43

:wave: Put in the girl of the months and I believe they will get more new customers than the nostalgics they loose! It just is not good enough for me , stamp pics, killing great pics over 2 sides ,very late arrival (still),what people eat,and some other poor stuff. Thats too much for me ! Exit MS!
Regards Bjørn
PS But I do understand that theywith this line they have to write on the big names to sell! Who knows Teodore Zeccoli, Digby Martland ,Pierre Noblet or thousand of other exiting names besides me and a few others!!

#1822 Racer.Demon

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 10:04

Originally posted by Gareth Davies

"...the first job of a reporter is to report the facts, not present opinions...;) " Well it might be but after more than 35 years of following and writing about F1, during many of which he has been widely acknowledged within his fraternity as a leading light, I think we can allow him a somewhat greater status than mere reporter. I suggest that most of his readers enjoy his work precisely because of the opinions he presents. And that is because they do not have the access to the inside people of motor racing that he does. No, he's not just a reporter, he's a commentator.


I must say I completely agree with Pete's earlier point - his reports were becoming unbearable. I'm all fine with the suggestion that Roebuck is not just a reporter but if so, he should have stopped reporting on F1 much earlier and kept to his 5th Column, which is the correct place for personal comments and insights (save those regarding British politics!). As the years passed he had increasing trouble to keep Roebuck the reporter and Roebuck the commentator apart.

I was relieved when Mark Hughes finally took over as Grand Prix reporter. It made the final years of my Autosport subscription a little less intolerable...

#1823 simon drabble

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 10:05

sorry to be contraian but I like the new MS and reckon that between that Vintage Racecar and Octane I have a good spread of the historic scene!

#1824 RA Historian

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 14:06

Originally posted by simon drabble
sorry to be contraian but I like the new MS

I do too!

#1825 JohnS

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 19:59

Roebuck writes about Gilles Villeneuve in the January issue. At last.

John

#1826 Gary C

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 20:31

.....in the Isleworth (Middlesex) Tesco's at lunchtime.....................
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(incidentally, only about a half a mile from the site of the Firestone factory.....)

#1827 bradbury west

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 20:57

Originally posted by Gary C
[B].....in the Isleworth (Middlesex) Tesco's at lunchtime.....................
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Perhaps Mr Tesco pays an even higher subscription rate than I do, to get it so early. At least Octane, which seems to be more like a luxury goods catalogue each month, lands on the mat on time, as did the VSCC magazine, which for its period covered, knocks them all into a cocked hat

BTW, is there anything in MS about the matter which Simon Drabble noted , concerning Carol Spagg's magazine's involvement??

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#1828 kayemod

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 23:11

Originally posted by Gary C
.....in the Isleworth (Middlesex) Tesco's at lunchtime.....................
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(incidentally, only about a half a mile from the site of the Firestone factory.....)


This month's Golf World looks interesting......

#1829 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 05:38

BOUGHT MINE IN DUBLIN YESTERDAY , HAVENT READ IT YET BUT THR TRANSPORTER ARTICLE WILL KEEEP ME HAPPY.

#1830 2F-001

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 07:37

Originally posted by JohnS
Roebuck writes about Gilles Villeneuve in the January issue. At last. John

Wasn't there a time when folk were commenting that Mr Roebuck never wrote anything without mentioning GIlles?
:)

#1831 green-blood

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 08:35

well december rrived for me on Tuesday and last night I spotted January in the shop in Dublin

jokeshop

why oh why did I take a 2 year sub.

#1832 David Lawson

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 14:10

I had vowed not to contribute to this thread any further as each month there is a catalogue of errors and shortcomings in this magazine and I was beginning to feel it was a little repetitive but this months edition has made me angry enough to comment once more.

The caption to a photograph of a model of Donald Campbell's Bluebird states that it is in Lake Windemere configuration. This sort of error is unforgiveable considering the importance of Campbell and his final attempt on the world water speed record.

This is simply not good enough.

Apologies if this is a rant but my blood pressure is off the scale as I write this.

David

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 15:59

I always turned directly to Jenks' letters from the continent and then to his grand prix reporting. They were worth the price of admission. When they stopped, I'm afraid that I stopped. Oh, well...

#1834 JohnS

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 19:24

Originally posted by 2F-001

Wasn't there a time when folk were commenting that Mr Roebuck never wrote anything without mentioning GIlles?
:)


Yes, that was my rather sarcastic point.

#1835 MCS

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 20:38

Originally posted by David Lawson
I had vowed not to contribute to this thread any further as each month there is a catalogue of errors and shortcomings in this magazine and I was beginning to feel it was a little repetitive but this months edition has made me angry enough to comment once more.

The caption to a photograph of a model of Donald Campbell's Bluebird states that it is in Lake Windemere configuration. This sort of error is unforgiveable considering the importance of Campbell and his final attempt on the world water speed record.

This is simply not good enough.

Apologies if this is a rant but my blood pressure is off the scale as I write this.

David


:lol: I know just how you feel David.

It's a disgrace and, like you, I try hard not to contribute to this thread, but it really is "unforgiveable" as you put it.

#1836 Magee

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 21:46

Me thinks it's time to switch over to a more positive thread. Try Motorcycle Racing Nostalgia or Transporters threads for a shot of good feelings. :)

#1837 john aston

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 07:57

Actually ,this month's edition shows positive signs of improvement- and hey, we're only talking abut a bloody car mag, no-one 's going to die if they get it wrong.I loved the Simon Taylor piece re Damon Hill- - a proper interview with a charming and intelligent man whose ego seems so well in check compared to the bombast of some of his peers- the paranoia of Mansell or the gratuitous bile of Irvine for example.I miss the Marcus Pye stuff but not the pointless reportage of historic events . But spare me the lifestyle pieces .

#1838 Sharman

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 08:50

Originally posted by john aston
Actually ,this month's edition shows positive signs of improvement- and hey, we're only talking abut a bloody car mag, no-one 's going to die if they get it wrong.I loved the Simon Taylor piece re Damon Hill- - a proper interview with a charming and intelligent man whose ego seems so well in check compared to the bombast of some of his peers- the paranoia of Mansell or the gratuitous bile of Irvine for example.I miss the Marcus Pye stuff but not the pointless reportage of historic events . But spare me the lifestyle pieces .



#1839 Ted Walker

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 08:52

Just had an E Mailwith a press release saying that Haymarket have finally sold it to Paul Dobsons company STRATSTONE PUBLISHING.

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#1840 Vitesse2

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 08:58

Originally posted by john aston
Actually ,this month's edition shows positive signs of improvement- and hey, we're only talking abut a bloody car mag, no-one 's going to die if they get it wrong.I loved the Simon Taylor piece re Damon Hill- - a proper interview with a charming and intelligent man whose ego seems so well in check compared to the bombast of some of his peers- the paranoia of Mansell or the gratuitous bile of Irvine for example.I miss the Marcus Pye stuff but not the pointless reportage of historic events . But spare me the lifestyle pieces .

Agreed absolutely. I do feel they're going in the right direction now. I also enjoyed the Parnelli Jones article by Pete Lyons (but when isn't Lyons worth reading?)

The tie-up with HMRN seems to be no more than sharing an office building - or that's how it's presented anyway.

#1841 roger ellis

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 09:03

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
:wave: Put in the girl of the months ...


Well Bjorn there is a centrefold in the new issue! :love:

I think they chose the model just for you...she's called Ecurie Ecosse Commer TS3.;)

#1842 sterling49

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 21:00

Just got my January edition of Motorsport, a quick glance only, but not particularly enamoured with the Schumacher article......surely that would have been well covered in the weeklies :confused: Maybe I am just being churlish :smoking: Great Ecurie Ecosse and Damon Hill articles though :up:

#1843 petefenelon

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 22:41

Originally posted by sterling49
Just got my January edition of Motorsport, a quick glance only, but not particularly enamoured with the Schumacher article......surely that would have been well covered in the weeklies :confused: Maybe I am just being churlish :smoking: Great Ecurie Ecosse and Damon Hill articles though :up:


Of the feature articles:

The Damon piece is probably the longest article I've seen in MS for a few years, and is well worth it, Damon's line about Graham saying he was "too intelligent" to be a racing driver is a particularly fascinating piece of insight. I'm not normally a much of a fan of Simon Taylor's writing on near-contemporary racing, but in this piece he really left Damon to do the talking and it worked brilliantly.

The Parnelli Jones article is again a good long piece with some excellent pics, Pete Lyons on fine form.

I always loved 3.0CSLs but the Heseltine piece on them was a bit too short and lacked any real input from contemporary drivers, and I didn't feel the pics did the cars many favours.

The Ecosse transporter article is an example of what MS should be doing, looking at non-obvious topics and surrounding them with some more familiar material. Lovely pics too and I'm always interested in odd diesel power ;)

The Schumacher piece might not have been longer than the Hill one but it felt it. And not in a good way.

Angoulème - well I want to go there, a wonderfully atmospheric little piece.

The Py Index article is just an excuse for another "top 100", it'd be more interesting if it considered sports cars, Champcars, etc.

Porsches in Africa - splendid McKlein photos and concise words, pretty much Davenport doing what he does best and a well-considered piece


On the whole, the best 'green' issue since the relaunch I think - fewer articles and more depth, and most of the pics are reproduced at a sensible size. They are improving again.

#1844 sterling49

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 22:55

Originally posted by petefenelon




I always loved 3.0CSLs but the Heseltine piece on them was a bit too short and lacked any real input from contemporary drivers, and I didn't feel the pics did the cars many favours.


Porsches in Africa - splendid McKlein photos and concise words, pretty much Davenport doing what he does best and a well-considered piece


Agreed on both counts, there were some great shots of the "Batmobiles" flying at the Ring, could they not do better than the pictures published? There were so many shots that would stir the emotions and they have not found them.My last company car was a Pug407, I would love to have spoken to the design team that signed it off as it was just so bloody boring to drive, they shoud do "critiques", as I believe MS should, they should ask themselves "what will our discerning, enthusiastic readers appreciate?".....at least they are progressing, maybe they are reading this thread.... :rolleyes:

oh..and if they are, how about articles on the early '60's Safaris when they regularly had less than 10 cars finishing :eek:

#1845 D-Type

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Posted 04 December 2006 - 22:56

Definitely the best since it went green. Articles with a bit of depth to them.

I hope the link with HMRN means less reporting of historic racing. My apologies to anybody who is a competitor, but I just can't get excited about a report of (say) an XK120 catching a couple of (say) Cooper Monacos after a bad start when in period it would have been a lap behind. But i welcome photos of historic cars in action, provided they are fully captioned.

#1846 RA Historian

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Posted 05 December 2006 - 03:23

Originally posted by D-Type
I hope the link with HMRN means less reporting of historic racing. My apologies to anybody who is a competitor, but I just can't get excited about a report of (say) an XK120 catching a couple of (say) Cooper Monacos after a bad start when in period it would have been a lap behind. But i welcome photos of historic cars in action, provided they are fully captioned.

Yes! I do not care to read historic race reports not only for the reason D-Type mentioned but because, really folks, it just doesn't matter! Just to the participants. Sure it is nice to see the cars exercised, but what with the vastly different levels of driver skill, car preparation and so forth, I ( and I'm speaking just for myself) simply cannot take it seriously. I'll watch 'em run, but I don't care who "wins".

If there is a rare or interesting car present (NOT a replica!) tell us about it. Also, include the S/N if known. But I'm not interested if it finished first or twenty-first. Doesn't matter. No need to tell us anything about replicas, reproductions, continuations, and the like. To me, they are just fakes.

I know I'll get flack for this, but that is the way I feel.

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Posted 05 December 2006 - 03:25

Originally posted by sterling49


Agreed on both counts, there were some great shots of the "Batmobiles" flying at the Ring, could they not do better than the pictures published? There were so many shots that would stir the emotions and they have not found them.


There was an absolutely fantastic cover of a 'Batmobile' at the Ring back in period, would've been great to see that used. It was one of the shots that made me fall in love with the car as a kid!

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Posted 05 December 2006 - 03:33

Originally posted by RA Historian

Yes! I do not care to read historic race reports not only for the reason D-Type mentioned but because, really folks, it just doesn't matter! Just to the participants. Sure it is nice to see the cars exercised, but what with the vastly different levels of driver skill, car preparation and so forth, I ( and I'm speaking just for myself) simply cannot take it seriously. I'll watch 'em run, but I don't care who "wins".

If there is a rare or interesting car present (NOT a replica!) tell us about it. Also, include the S/N if known. But I'm not interested if it finished first or twenty-first. Doesn't matter. No need to tell us anything about replicas, reproductions, continuations, and the like. To me, they are just fakes.

I know I'll get flack for this, but that is the way I feel.


I broadly agree. If it's historic racing that's conducted at a high and serious level of competition and involves good drivers and authentic cars, I don't mind reading about it.

If it's 'Look what I've just bought!' racing by middle-aged dotcom millionaires (or whatever) who look dangerous driving from paddock to pitlane, I don't want to know. And I really don't want to see F2 Cooper-Bristols on low-profile wide tyres, and similar abuses. If you want to race a slow modern, race a slow modern.

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Posted 05 December 2006 - 09:54

Originally posted by sterling49
Just got my January edition of Motorsport, a quick glance only, but not particularly enamoured with the Schumacher article......surely that would have been well covered in the weeklies


Confirms what we debated some time ago - Schumacher is now nostalgia.

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Posted 05 December 2006 - 10:07

No doubt somebody has already said this in the voluminous responses already posted, but in case they haven't you might be surprised to know that two old friends of mine who were/are regular Motor Sport readers were in favour of having some modern stuff between the covers again.

I have been taking said journal for decades and it was originally, until the senior editorial staff became too senior and/or retired and the magazine was at the point of dying, a contemporary journal that had an historical section, but devoted to mainly pre-war road cars, not just racers. What looks like nostalgia now (GP and sports car racing reports from DSJ etc., was then contemporary).

It was the 1997 relaunch that pigeon holed it into the (modern) historic racing genre.