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#1951 Gil Bouffard

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 08:04

Folks,

I have been away for quite some time doing work for a couple of up and coming young drivers. I had to respond to the Formula Vauxhall comments.

I met Dan Partel in Heidelberg Germany in 1979 in a pub. He and I were trying to chat up the same girl. I don’t think either of us got her–I know for a fact that I certainly didn’t!

We have hung around with each other ever since.

As a longtime member of the American Auto Racing Writers and Broadcasters Association (AARWBA), I have often used what little influence I could muster to cajole the organization into the 21st Century.

I have always been disturbed that few Americans were aware of Dan and EFDA’s contributions to auto racing. So, when I got the chance I nominated him for the Pioneer in Racing award.

As proud as I am of getting recognition for Dan, I am equally proud of presenting the inaugural Auto Racing Safety and Humanitarian Service Award to Dr. Bob Hubbard and Jim Downing for the creation of the HANS Device!

BTW we had Tony George and the rest of the IRL crowd and the Champ Car crowd at separate tables. During Dan’s speech, NASCAR Team owner Jack Roush told AP’s Mike Harris. “He’s pissing off a lot of people.” To which Mike responded. “He doesn’t care.”

Below is the piece I wrote for the Banquet program and Mr. Partel's acceptance speech.

Dan Partel, Pioneer in Racing

Gil Bouffard

Many people can claim to have had an influence on one or two of today's
leading stars in auto racing. The European Formula Drivers' Association’s
(EFDA) Dan Partel can say with pride that he helped launch the careers of
Ayrton Senna, Mauricio Gugelmin, Mark Blundell, Mika Hakkinen, Michael
Schumacher, David Coulthard, Eddie Irvine, Juan Pablo Montoya, Tony Kanaan,
Gil de Ferran, Dario Franchitti and many more of the auto racing stars
competing on the race tracks of the world today.

An American living in Europe, Dan Partel spent 10 years working for Philip
Morris (Marlboro), followed by two years with Firestone. He was running the
FF1600 Club of Germany in his spare time and was in contact with the
numerous national FF 1600 drivers associations on the Continent. The
national Formula Ford clubs collectively organized a series called Golden
Lion Trophy.

In 1979, at the instigation and with the support of Johan Beerepot, then
Circuit Director of Zandvoort in Holland, Partel took on the organization of
a pan-European FF1600 championship, a Euroseries for FF2000 and a Sports
2000 championship as well. EFDA was the first organization to add a title
sponsor to a championship when they brought the Townsend Thoresen ferry line
on board and renamed the Formula Ford 1600 championship the Townsend
Thoresen Euroseries. EFDA also developed and managed a single set of rules
for the formulae. This included a dedicated technical scrutineer whose job
was to ensure that the EFDA competitors stayed within the rules.

Pan-European championships had always been difficult to organize. The
national sporting authorities didn't have jurisdiction outside their own
countries, and no one body seemed able or willing to take on the task of
coordinating a truly European series. The European Formula Drivers
Association was formed to fill the gap.

Formula Ford racing is commonly referred to as a “one-make,” series, this is
not entirely correct. While there was a single manufacturer for the engines,
in 1982, there were twenty-one specialist racing car manufacturers with
names running from Agent to Zeus. Additionally, specialist engine tuners
seem to be behind every bush!

In 1987, as Ford corporate support for the formula waned, Partel was
approached by General Motors (GM) Europe (Opel in Germany and Ireland,
Vauxhall in England, Chevrolet in Brazil and Holden in Australia) about a
proposal he had submitted in 1982.

Opel had produced a new two liter four cylinder engine that they wished to
promote. Partel’s proposal had been for a true one-make open wheel racing
car and series. GM signed up and the program was called the GM Euroseries.
Chassis and bodywork would be designed by race car builder Adrian Reynard
and built by Lotus, a GM company. Bridgestone “spec,” tires, shod the cars.

Between 1988 and 1999 the EFDA GM Euroseries and companion Vauxhall/Lotus
racing series grew into the premier “junior,” open wheel-racing series. The
programs offered a highly competitive training ground for the likes of Damon
Hill, Mika Hakkinen, Pedro Lamy, Allan McNish, Rubens Barrichello, Juan
Pablo Montoya, Jerry Nadeau, Takuma Sato, Paul Edwards, JJ Lehto and many
more of the current international racing stars today. The European Formula
Drivers Association’s final season saw Tomas Scheckter crowned 1999
champion.

For over twenty years, Dan Partel provided fledgling racing drivers a place
to learn and hone their craft.

On 13 January 2007, the American Auto Racing Writers and Broadcasters
Association honored Daniel S. Partel as a Pioneer in Racing during their
annual All America Team Banquet at the Hyatt Regency in Indianapolis,
Indiana.

Mr. Partel, in his acceptance speech, took the opportunity to decry the
proliferation of one-make racing, a concept he pioneered.

His speech appears below.

"Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I greatly appreciate your presence here
tonight, and to the members of the American Auto Racing Writers and
Broadcasters Association, I thank you for this award. The last thing I want
to do on the occasion of being recognized by such a distinguished body of
journalists is to deliver a boring speech without news value. So here goes…


I’m told one of the reasons I’m being honored here tonight is for being a
pioneer of the one-make racing series concept. But I have to admit this
comes at a time when over-enthusiasm for this type of racing has become
something of an albatross around the neck of our sport.


My original intention - and it wasn’t just me; the idea was in the air at
the same time in a number of places - was to eliminate the distorting
effects of cubic dollars, pounds, deutschemarks, and francs, as well as the
vagaries of chassis and engine choice, on the process of identifying the
very best driving talent in the lower ranks of racing.


Looking back, I think we succeeded in limiting the influence of money to
some degree, although the general advance of racing technology has seen
costs creep up across the board. But the continued vitality of open chassis
and engine classes such as Formula Ford, Formula 2000, and Formula 3 gives
the lie to the presumption that one-make categories invariably offer better
value for money.


When it comes to leveling the playing field in equipment terms, the impact
of ‘spec’ cars has again been a mixed bag. Even today, after nearly 20 years
of one-make racing, not a single F1, Champ Car, or IRL champion has climbed
the ladder solely in one-make series. And no one can deny that a driver who
has raced in Formula 3, for example, is better prepared for the technical
demands of setting up a sophisticated top line single-seater or sports car
than one who hasn’t.


The effects on race fans and the motorsport industry also bear examining.
The lack of technical interest and competition runs the risk of alienating
the segment of the racing audience, which cares as much - or more - about
the cars as the drivers. They are among the hardest core racing enthusiasts,
and a larger percentage of the fan base than many realize.


Similarly, the ever-shrinking scope for technical innovation must reduce the
sport’s appeal to young engineering talent and even the world’s automobile
manufacturers. Reducing racing to so much more of marketing than a technical
exercise must surely make it more difficult for carmakers to maintain their
commitment to the sport, and hamper their ability to call upon R&D as well
as advertising budgets.


So I’m skeptical of what we see today, namely the final assault of the
one-design philosophy on the top ranks of the sport. In Formula 1, the FIA’s
attempt to introduce stricter rules to cut costs and encourage green
technologies at the same time exhibits some of the typical pitfalls of
top-down government policy-making. Champ Car has officially gone down the
‘spec’ car route, and the IRL has done so unofficially. NASCAR’s effort to
update its technology with the Car of Tomorrow looks likely to introduce
even greater technical uniformity.


Le Mans-style sports car racing has emerged as almost the last bastion of
innovation, with the success of Audi’s turbo diesel in last year’s 24 Hours
drawing Peugeot back to Le Mans, and several carmakers exploring
hybrid-powered projects. It’s no accident that this type of racing has
attracted more new factory teams than any other over the last couple of
seasons.


And I’m sure there are people here that could tell me why the pressroom was
full for the ALMS race at Houston last year on Saturday and half-empty for
the Champ Car event on Sunday.

If there is light at the end of the tunnel, it’s probably powered by some
kind of alternative fuel. The historical effectiveness of racing as a
platform for creating and proving new automotive technology is tailor-made
for the challenge of developing new power sources and systems for the car
industry.


But this cannot happen in a one-make environment. Car makers will not join
the fray unless they can introduce and develop new ideas and prove the worth
of their innovations against the best efforts of their rivals.


It may be that big time motorsport has become too much of an
entertainment-based product to risk introducing the element of a high-tech
free-for-all. The alternative is to create new forms of racing aimed at
fast-tracking the future technology of the car industry, which could well
lead to the disappearance of more than a few current series, including
one-make series. I can’t say I would mind giving up my legacy in such a good
cause. I might even join the revolution myself.


Thank you for your time, your attention, and this award."

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#1952 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 22 January 2007 - 02:44

Just to keep things in perspective....I recently purchased the August, 1993, issue of MS on Ebay. I purchased it because there's an article that has information on a 1967 Ferrari 330GTC that was raced, which is quite unusual for this model.

In any case, a three paragraph sidebar about the car contained at least four factual errors and one example of lazy research (stating that a few hundred were built instead of citing the exact number, which is readily available information). My point is that perhaps the magazine was never the paragon of accuracy that we seem to recall, although I'm not sure that 1993 would be considered its Golden Age. Maybe we're expecting the new management to meet a standard that wasn't there in the first place (or for at least a decade).

Anyway, I thought I'd throw those 2 cents into the discussion. I still get the magazine and have no immediate plans not to.

Jack

#1953 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 09:23

March issue has arrived , bought it in Dublin this morning .

#1954 D-Type

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 12:03

March issue has arrived in WHS at the station and in my local Tesco - but not in my mailbox.

Memo to self - "Write and complain and stop whingeing on TNF!"

#1955 bradbury west

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 13:34

Mine landed on the mat this morning. Browsing throuigh, it looks good to me. The variation and nature of the topics covered lead me to be very optimistic. Simon Taylor "has lunch with" Mario Andretti, and for once "they" seem to have allowed ST a decent word allocation, must be nigh on 4,000 words, just what the others should have been IMHO. So perhaps the penny is dropping.

Ignoring the inevitable advert/reviews, you have good varied articles by people in the know, on topics which certainly interest me, qv Roebuck interviewing Chris Economaki, albeit too short IMHO and should be a 2 or 3 parter, feature on Patrick Head, AU tech review, long Stratos profile, excellent 60s period colour shots. Lots of other stuff, buy it and see..............

Sadly we have Mr Frankel apparently tyre-smoking a Bentley convertible................ but the ad for the Sparco Race Suit makes up for that.

And I am not knowledgeable enough to see any mistakes which may have been made.

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#1956 kayemod

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 13:48

Originally posted by bradbury west

And I am not knowledgeable enough to see any mistakes which may have been made.

Roger Lund


Never expected to read a line like that in TNF......

#1957 Macca

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 21:08

Well, in the 1960s photos is one said to be Widdows' P126/133 BRM in the Brands pits...........with a rear wing..............but Widdows drove a Cooper................and Courage's BRM raced without a wing.


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#1958 Gary C

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 22:20

I wondered about that one, Paul.

#1959 RA Historian

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 00:17

"March issue has arrived "

Hey, I'm still waiting for February................

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#1960 John Saunders

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 16:51

I canncelled my subscription after the February addition faild to arrive, after phoning MS they on 10th Jan was told they would send another copy but still have not recived it, Just got March addition in Tesco.

#1961 mfd

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 18:17

Originally posted by Macca
Well, in the 1960s photos is one said to be Widdows' P126/133 BRM in the Brands pits...........with a rear wing..............but Widdows drove a Cooper................and Courage's BRM raced without a wing.

How about it being a Parnell BRM P126-P133 from the Race of Champions in 1969 then?

#1962 mfd

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 18:25

Then there's the pic of Bette Hill with a "Team Lotus member" I would have thought she was the former Mrs Jackie Oliver...I don't think they really know anymore.

#1963 E.B.

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 19:04

Originally posted by mfd
Then there's the pic of Bette Hill with a "Team Lotus member" I would have thought she was the former Mrs Jackie Oliver...I don't think they really know anymore.


Yes, that's who it looks like to me too - Lynn wasn't it?

Maybe the captioner is just playing safe after Bette Hill herself wrote in to point out the Nina Rindt / Sally Courage mix up from the last issue ;)

#1964 mfd

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 20:00

Originally posted by E.B.
Maybe the captioner is just playing safe

I think you could be right...there's another pic where the driver Brambilla is identified with another to the left completely unmentioned.
It is such a shame and unfortunately, many years down the line, I'm convinced folk won't look at this part of the magazine's history as a reliable archive?

#1965 James Page

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 22:19

I think it's a good issue, to be honest. I enjoyed the Andretti piece by Simon Taylor, and there are plenty of other bits I'm looking forward to reading.

I do a lot of work for a couple of modified car magazines. One of them (Redline), has a golden rule for captions - NEVER reference something in the picture unless you're 100 percent sure it is what you think it is. If you get it wrong, there's no guarantee that the editor or anyone else will catch it.

We pick up mistakes in MotorSport captions, and then we pick up things they don't mention when they play it safe. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

#1966 D-Type

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 22:30

Originally posted by D-Type
March issue has arrived in WHS at the station and in my local Tesco - but not in my mailbox.

Memo to self - "Write and complain and stop whingeing on TNF!"

Well, I did e-mail a complaint to them last night and came in this evening and found a reply waiting for me. Full marks for promptness.

#1967 mfd

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 23:03

Originally posted by James Page
They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

My thoughts entirely, but I'd guess that nowadays some pretty good stuff doesn't get published because they haven't a clue what or who ;)

#1968 sterling49

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 23:28

Mine arrived today, content looks good on thumbing through, especially the Patrick Head and Mario articles.

#1969 Paul Jeffrey

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 00:40

This month's copy makes reference to an advert 'Benetton B194' for sale with traction control! This was the year (1994) that traction control was banned but doubts lingered over the legaility of the Benetton with launch control software, if i remember, found by the FIA. The very same advert appears later on in the classifieds section.

#1970 Eric McLoughlin

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 09:08

Maybe they WANT Bette Hill to become a regular letter contributor.

(Which would not be a bad thing actually - I'm sure she has some fascinating tales to tell).

#1971 bradbury west

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 10:22

Originally posted by Eric McLoughlin
Maybe they WANT Bette Hill to become a regular letter contributor.

(Which would not be a bad thing actually - I'm sure she has some fascinating tales to tell).


Perhaps she would be a good candidate for Simon's Lunch With feature, although, now that MS have discovered that ST has a passport, perhaps they might let him interview a few more people from "over there" eg Dan Gurney, Parnelli Jones , Chuck Daigh, Phil Rimington etc.

Is it just a generational thing, or do those names make me sound old?

How about a list of interviewees/guests for "Lunch With"?

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#1972 Vitesse2

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 10:30

Originally posted by bradbury west


Perhaps she would be a good candidate for Simon's Lunch With feature

I'd like to think so, but she'd probably refuse after the hatchet job Bernie's late and unlamented F1 Magazine did on her in similar circumstances. Once bitten ...

(No offence meant Simon, should you be reading this!)

#1973 sterling49

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 10:32

Originally posted by bradbury west


Perhaps she would be a good candidate for Simon's Lunch With feature, although, now that MS have discovered that ST has a passport, perhaps they might let him interview a few more people from "over there" eg Dan Gurney, Parnelli Jones , Chuck Daigh, Phil Rimington etc.

Is it just a generational thing, or do those names make me sound old?

How about a list of interviewees/guests for "Lunch With"?

Roger Lund


No it does not make you sound old, you just have long and mature memories like the rest of us ;) Great idea about the list of guests for "lunch with", Dan Gurney would be a corker to start and some that I would love to read would be:

Anyone from the JW Automotive days
Ralph Broad
Alan Mann
Alan Rees
Tom Walkinshaw
Sir John Whitmore
Vic Elford
Sir Jack
Chris Amon
Nino Vaccarella

the list is endless and does not diminish in quality the longer it becomes.................

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#1974 David Beard

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 11:26

My Motor Sport arrived on time but it landed somewhat off centre on the door mat, and upside down. Haven't had chance to go round to Tesco yet to check whether they have one, and when it arrived.

I have had a quick look through to see if I could find a mistake to post on TNF. The best I can do is to question Simon Taylor's description of the Sangiovese wine grape as "San Giovese" :rolleyes:

#1975 mfd

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 11:43

Originally posted by Vitesse2
she'd probably refuse after the hatchet job Bernie's late and unlamented F1 Magazine did on her...

Pray tell ! I missed this one, but would love to hear more

#1976 Vitesse2

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 11:51

Originally posted by mfd

Pray tell ! I missed this one, but would love to hear more

You didn't miss a lot and I don't have a copy of it.

http://forums.autosp...637#post1598637

#1977 sterling49

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 13:33

Originally posted by Vitesse2

I'd like to think so, but she'd probably refuse after the hatchet job Bernie's late and unlamented F1 Magazine did on her in similar circumstances. Once bitten ...

(No offence meant Simon, should you be reading this!)


It is a real shame, Bette Hill deserved better than that, she put a lot into the sport and endured difficult times as well.

#1978 RA Historian

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 13:58

Originally posted by David Beard
I have had a quick look through to see if I could find a mistake to post on TNF.

Unfortunately, that seems to be the spirit of this thread :(

#1979 bradbury west

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 14:07

Originally posted by RA Historian
Unfortunately, that seems to be the spirit of this thread :(


RA Historian, very much so, I feel.
It is all getting, IMHO, very much like the Cleese character in Life of Brian, who shouts at their Liberation Army meeting , " But what did the Romans do for us?" After a long list from his colleagues of all the benefits from the Romans' occupation, sanitation, peace, bread, fresh water, medecine, from memory, he again asks the same question, "Yeah, all right I know all that...........but what did the Romans do for us?"

Roger Lund

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 14:58

Well I'm going to buck the trend and say that this issue was a definite improvement. Heseltine's E-type piece was fluff, but there was a lot of good stuff there - I liked the Eagle, Auto-Union, Stratos, Chris Economaki and Andretti pieces in particular, and the Roger Lane colour pics were great fun. The Monaco GP article was so-so, and some pieces were filler/advertorial (Ferrari Classiche) but on the whole... either I was feeling particularly well-disposed towards the world or this was one of the best issues since the red/green changeovers.

MS isn't perfect and never will be, but if it sparks off your own thoughts and memories it's doing a significant part of its job. And hell, it costs about two pints. It's not like you've dropped a hundred quid on a Palawan book and found it full of typos, solecisms, non-sequiturs and murky photo repro...

Yes, I'd still like more words and more use of 'classic' material, but...

#1981 Vitesse2

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 21:40

Originally posted by David Beard

I have had a quick look through to see if I could find a mistake to post on TNF.

Can't say I found any not already mentioned (except as below) - it only made it to the wilds of Somerset today, two days after Dublin! - but I did find an absolute howler in Octane. Apparently HMS Hood sank the Bismarck ..... :eek:

I actually enjoyed the Monaco article, Pete, as it taught me a bit more about the background of the race - I certainly didn't know Antony Noghes had been President of Monaco at one time! But surely it was Alexandre Noghes not Antony who was co-founder of the Monte Carlo Rally?

The Eagle piece was good too - there's also an article on Tony Southgate in the current C&SC but he doesn't even mention it in that!

Pity WB didn't make more of his 30s aircraft article though: I was hoping for details of Seaman's and Straight's planes at least.

#1982 jgm

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 22:17

The point is that a supposedly authoritative magazine like MS ought to get things right. If amateurs can spot howlers off the tops of their heads why can't they? In the current edition Simon Taylor says that Mario Andretti set a new closed course speed record taking pole at Michigan in 1993 at 234 MPH. The actual record has stood since 1987 and was set at the 7.7 mile test track at Fort Stockton Texas by A J Foyt driving an Aerotech-Oldsmobile. The lap speed was 257MPH. John Zimmermann in his piece about the Gurney Eagle says that the car's victory at Spa in 1967 was the first GP win by a car built in the US. Well, Jimmy Murphy won the French GP in 1921 in a Duesenberg.

#1983 mfd

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 11:02

Originally posted by jgm
The point is that a supposedly authoritative magazine like MS ought to get things right. If amateurs can spot howlers off the tops of their heads why can't they?

Exactly my point earlier... & I wonder if Andretti's hold on that record came not from Simon Taylor's memory or research, but from the mouth of Mario himself...

#1984 bradbury west

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 11:31

Originally posted by jgm
The point is that a supposedly authoritative magazine like MS ought to get things right. If amateurs can spot howlers off the tops of their heads why can't they? In the current edition Simon Taylor says that Mario Andretti set a new closed course speed record taking pole at Michigan in 1993 at 234 MPH. The actual record has stood since 1987 and was set at the 7.7 mile test track at Fort Stockton Texas by A J Foyt driving an Aerotech-Oldsmobile. The lap speed was 257MPH. John Zimmermann in his piece about the Gurney Eagle says that the car's victory at Spa in 1967 was the first GP win by a car built in the US. Well, Jimmy Murphy won the French GP in 1921 in a Duesenberg.


Perhaps Andretti's speed was in practice for, or during, a bona fide race meeting, and thuis came under a different classification, as oppossed to a straight outright speed on a controlled high speed track, just like the Nardi track etc. . Either way, he was apparently the fastest in the circumstances.

Roger Lund.

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 11:59

Having cancelled my subscription last month I pick up the March addition on the 31st January at Tescos in Norfolk. Content is good this month, but what is the point of Desirables? 12 Grand watches ect. that used to be two seasons budget in FF2000 in the 70s.

#1986 Doug Nye

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 16:49

Originally posted by Vitesse2
Apparently HMS Hood sank the Bismarck ..... :eek:


Strange how one's sense of proportion is variable - I find grotesques like the above far more troubling than some minisculoid screw-up with motor sporting history... as for a President of Monaco....I must admit I never realised the Principality had been a Republic? :confused:

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 16:55

Originally posted by Eric McLoughlin
Maybe they WANT Bette Hill to become a regular letter contributor.

(Which would not be a bad thing actually - I'm sure she has some fascinating tales to tell).


Be great if she would post on here .

#1988 Vitesse2

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 17:54

Originally posted by Doug Nye


Strange how one's sense of proportion is variable - I find grotesques like the above far more troubling than some minisculoid screw-up with motor sporting history...

Seconded. :up:

Originally posted by Doug Nye
as for a President of Monaco....I must admit I never realised the Principality had been a Republic? :confused:

DCN

A quick hunt through the CIA World Factbook and The Times Online Archive revealed that Monaco adopted a new constitution in January 1962. Prince Rainier had suspended the old constitution three years before in the face of opposition from a "hostile" National Council, which he also dissolved, complaining it had been trying to blackmail him into giving it more power. The National Council's duties were taken over by an official body called the Council of State. The municipal council - an elected body - was replaced by "an eight-member delegation appointed by royal ordinance". At a guess, Noghes was president of one or other of these, but I can't confirm that.

#1989 Bjorn Kjer

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 05:52

In the February issue 2007 under "You were there" is a couple of 1963 ATS as well as a Scirocco 1963 pictures . Do I have the luck that any of you happen to knowor be in contact with the contributor Stuart Regall ?

I have tried the Editorial at MS , but as for the last year , never a reply!

#1990 lil'chris

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 21:34

Originally posted by RA Historian
"March issue has arrived "

Hey, I'm still waiting for February................


Hmm, just realised that I'm also still waiting for Febs edition.

#1991 sterling49

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Posted 06 February 2007 - 21:42

I have to say that I am pleased with most of the content of this month's edition, particularly the Patrick Head and Mario articles. Now if they could just give more space to great articles like that..............I know I am being churlish, and that the cover went back to green, but I still like the old green/white stripe cover with photo inset :up:

#1992 Fiorentina 1

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 04:46

We use to find Motorsport at all good news agents in Los Angeles, now it's available at only a select few. I went to one in Santa Monica where I knew they carried it and almost fell over when I saw the price; $15! :evil: That's absolutely crazy, that is Switzerland prices.....

#1993 ensign14

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 08:58

And a nice little "Busman's Holiday" article about Al Keller winning a NASCAR race in a Jag... :up:

#1994 Darren Galpin

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 09:27

Originally posted by Fiorentina 1
We use to find Motorsport at all good news agents in Los Angeles, now it's available at only a select few. I went to one in Santa Monica where I knew they carried it and almost fell over when I saw the price; $15! :evil: That's absolutely crazy, that is Switzerland prices.....


That might be something to do with the exchange rate. Given that it is almost $2/£1, that's only a 50% mark-up or so, which isn't that bad compared to some magazines I've seen abroad.....

#1995 ian senior

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 09:50

Originally posted by John Saunders
Having cancelled my subscription last month I pick up the March addition on the 31st January at Tescos in Norfolk. Content is good this month, but what is the point of Desirables? 12 Grand watches ect. that used to be two seasons budget in FF2000 in the 70s.


I haven't seen MS in Tesco for ages, until last night when copies were sitting there in the Amersham store, highlighted in their own little cardboard rack. Perhaps the publishers are making more of an effort with major retailers these days. Still a bit late though - I bought mine in WHS last Thursday.

#1996 Hieronymus

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 10:04

Originally posted by Darren Galpin


That might be something to do with the exchange rate. Given that it is almost $2/£1, that's only a 50% mark-up or so, which isn't that bad compared to some magazines I've seen abroad.....


I think we are even worse off here in South Africa. We now pay the equivalent of 13,30 Euro for a copy. Considering the fact that salaries out here is only a fraction of what people earn in Western Europe and the USA, it makes this an ultra-luxury on any monthly budget. I doubt if they sell more than 50 copies in the whole country.

I wish to compare it with the local price of beer again…for 13,30 I can get about 32 bottles (340ml) of beer!!

#1997 philippe charuest

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 20:27

well it look that they dont double check there captions. i saw three errors only in the february issue(the last one here in canada). page 82 they say a ferrari D50 when its obviously a dino. page 87 the bt22 look more like a bt 29-30 to me and for the page 91 im under the impression that the Sally Courage is in fact Nina Rindt.

#1998 David Lawson

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 22:51

Originally posted by Bjørn Kjer
I have tried the Editorial at MS , but as for the last year , never a reply!


In fairness to the magazine I should mention that I recently wrote to William Boddy c/o Motorsport and received a very helpful reply in a matter of a few days.

David

#1999 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 00:08

Originally posted by lil'chris


Hmm, just realised that I'm also still waiting for Febs edition.


Me too. It's been on the newsstand for at least a week. EWA's distribution leaves something to be desired....

Jack

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#2000 lil'chris

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 13:25

I rang them and they sent me a new copy which appeared 2 days later. :up:

Apparently their subscriptions dept is being reorganised which may account for the earlier problems