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#2351 petefenelon

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Posted 01 February 2008 - 22:01

March issue arrived this morning. Oh my. Best for ages - Little bit too much Senna hagiography, but NSR and GK writing about things they care passionately about on top of the recent mix works well for me.

Frank Gardner is always great value.

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#2352 lil'chris

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Posted 01 February 2008 - 22:55

Nice to see the old 80's Autosport triumvirate of Roebuck, Kirby and Saward back together .

#2353 RA Historian

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Posted 01 February 2008 - 22:57

Originally posted by HDonaldCapps


That is about the same age I was when I began reading Motor Sport, R&T, Autosport, Autocourse, and everything else I can get my hands on regarding automobile racing.....

Of course, that was well over three and a half decades prior to 1991....

Me too, and the time frame Don uses is identical for me. Add Sports Cars Illustrated, On The Grid, and others to that 1950s mix.

An observation: a year or so ago many on this thread were blasting MS, calling for it to go away. Aren't you glad they didn't listen!

Tom

#2354 sterling49

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Posted 01 February 2008 - 23:31

Originally posted by RA Historian
An observation: a year or so ago many on this thread were blasting MS, calling for it to go away. Aren't you glad they didn't listen!

Tom


I care passionately, as others do about MS, I made a fair amount of (I hope) constructive criticism, that in my book, is something completely different to wishing its cessation. One of my biggest moans was the changing of the original green cover to red, they listened, that's all I, as a longtime reader, wanted.

I will say it again, welcome back MS, my 1st encounter was in the early '60's (at age 9 or 10) and I am still reading it some 45 years later, product clinics are regularly held to achieve this "Brand" loyalty.

As the words of Esther Phillips "What A Difference A Day Makes....." or, in this case, a year :wave:

#2355 Magee

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 01:12

How much would the current format and colour changes have cost MOTORSPORT to get an private company to have evaluated its monthly issues? (Assuming #1 they havent' done that.)

Advice from The Nostalgia Forum probably pulled them and their magazine out of the woods. (Assuming #2 they are seeing the light.)

MOTORSPORT, I'm sure that TNF individuals agree with a "You're welcome!"

#2356 john aston

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 08:18

The current issue is exactly what I want ; but some comments ,rather than criticisms- I found the Senna stuff ,especially about his kids' foundation, very uncomfortable to read.It was almost as though a flavour of Michael Jackson had been introduced.The Prost interview was not well translated but the Roebuck column and the Taylor interview were superb.One of the commnets I made to Motor Sport direct was that as a grown up I didn't want bite size information- factoids?- but something I could settle down with and read.I guess a lot of people said the same.Good to see Saward back but I thought his article was bloody awful - he was one of the most stylish motor sport writers and I hope he returns to MS soon , but firing on all 12 cylinders.Even the ad section is getting better- I spent several £gazillion last night as I browsed throuh the auto porn.

#2357 doc knutsen

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 09:20

Originally posted by HDonaldCapps


That is about the same age I was when I began reading Motor Sport, R&T, Autosport, Autocourse, and everything else I can get my hands on regarding automobile racing.....

Of course, that was well over three and a half decades prior to 1991....



Of course, we had it tough. Never mind the cold gravel for breakfast ;) .... I have a photo taken by my mother, of yrs trly "reading" the current issue of Hot Rod magazine...in 1953, aged four-and-bit. Hasten to add my tastes in motoring have changed a bit...but I have still got the Autosport magazine reporting that memorable 1953 Reims Grande Epreuve, complete with its geen cover. I could not read English at the time, bit I was very good at looking at pictures of racing cars....and my Dad would translate, those were in fact the bedtime stories of my childhood.
No Winnie the Pooh for this little feller, Moss, Hawthorn and Fangio were my preferences.

#2358 Phil Rainford

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 11:37

Quite:“Advice from The Nostalgia Forum probably pulled them and their magazine out of the woods. (Assuming #2 they are seeing the light.)”

I agree with the sentiments expressed above regarding the changes made over the past year. "Motor Sport" is now a quality product.

I look forward to it dropping through the letter box almost as much as I did in the mid 1970s when as a spotty teenager I used to devour the contents of “Motoring News " and Autosport every week.

With regards to the point made about listening to the views expressed by TNF contributors. A Company that fails to heed the advice/views of its customer’s tends to be both extremely arrogant and eventually extremely liquidated ;)

Kind regards

Phil

#2359 red stick

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 16:05

Originally posted by john aston
The current issue is exactly what I want ; but some comments ,rather than criticisms- I found the Senna stuff ,especially about his kids' foundation, very uncomfortable to read.It was almost as though a flavour of Michael Jackson had been introduced.The Prost interview was not well translated but the Roebuck column and the Taylor interview were superb.


Haven't seen the March issue yet but on the basis of February I sent in the subscriber card...$60US was too good to pass up. I have a lot of faith in Roebuck keeping the quality up.

Even the ad section is getting better- I spent several £gazillion last night as I browsed throuh the auto porn.


I spent a lot of time looking through this section too. Good thing dreaming is still free. :)

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#2360 Ben H

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Posted 02 February 2008 - 20:19

Originally posted by green-blood
23, 1991, you were reading motorsport at 6/7.... fair balls....



Yeah, twas 7, i was very lucky my Mum was a librarian so reading was always encouraged, am quite thankful for that! Between that and listening to a right pair of erudite broadcasters on the telly in Murray Walker and James Hunt it was the best education in vocabulary you could wish for! It's funny i remember my Mum at first tried to stop me buying the motor sport magazines thinking they would all be 200mph trashy boy racer nonsense(ahead of her time regards Autosport i guess) but showing her a couple of DSJ articles, and the way Motoring News had about a 1,000,000:1 ratio of text to pictures quickly stopped all that talk!!

#2361 PRD

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 11:08

Originally posted by sterling49


I care passionately, as others do about MS, I made a fair amount of (I hope) constructive criticism, that in my book, is something completely different to wishing its cessation. One of my biggest moans was the changing of the original green cover to red, they listened, that's all I, as a longtime reader, wanted.

I will say it again, welcome back MS, my 1st encounter was in the early '60's (at age 9 or 10) and I am still reading it some 45 years later, product clinics are regularly held to achieve this "Brand" loyalty.

As the words of Esther Phillips "What A Difference A Day Makes....." or, in this case, a year :wave:



I'd like to echo those sentiments and say how pleased I am that MS has improved so much over the past year. I, too, started reading it at the same time and age as Sterling in the early '60s, however my 23 year old son was on the phone last night saying what a good magazine it is and how much he enjoyed it.

#2362 Lifew12

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 11:38

Great read, good news to see such improvement in the mag.

#2363 ensign14

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 20:59

Perhaps its correspondents reflect an upturn in fortune...letters this month from (inter alios) Len Terry, Tony Crook and the former Mrs Jack Lewis.

#2364 Barry Boor

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Posted 04 February 2008 - 14:30

What did the former Mrs. Jack Lewis have to say, please?

#2365 ensign14

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Posted 04 February 2008 - 14:48

She just wanted to mention that she was part of the story as well, that Jack was happily re-married and living in Gloucestershire, and she still gets fanmail addressed to him! (Richie?)

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Posted 04 February 2008 - 21:44

One thing the former Mrs Lewis said was that Jack's medal for finishing fourth in 1961 Italian Grand Prix was stolen in a burglary at the farm. Worth remebering if it ever comes up for sale.

#2367 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 04 February 2008 - 23:51

Given the general consensus that MS was once more worthwhile, I re-subscribed several weeks ago and the February issue just showed up today. Any magazine that has features on both Roy Salvadori and Richard Petty -- both of whom I think a great deal, seems to be moving along the correct azimuth....

#2368 RA Historian

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 01:46

Welcome back, Don!

#2369 Lotus 45

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 10:10

Originally posted by Simon Taylor
It should remain on the UK bookstalls until the March issue arrives on or around February 1st.


I thoroughly agree about the improvement in MS with the recent editorial staff changes. At last, it's again worth buying.

I've been reading MS since 1955 and that's long enough for me to remember when the issue published on 1st February, for instance, was dated "February" on the cover.

Don't suppose there's any chance of getting back to that sort of sanity, is there? Maybe it didn't matter while the mag. didn't concern itself with contemporary racing at all but now that it does, maybe this could be looked at again?

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#2370 Red Socks

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 10:12

Sorry to be really old fashioned but please can we have the April issue on the first of April not the First of March-perhaps we could haver an extra isssue in the middle to stay the withdrawal symptoms.

#2371 David McKinney

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 10:28

Much as I agree with the sentiment, I don't think it'll happen
It doesn't look good to have your March issue on the shelves on 1 March alongside the competition's April editions

#2372 fines

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 10:43

Originally posted by David McKinney
It doesn't look good to have your March issue on the shelves on 1 March alongside the competition's April editions

Au contraire! That would get my (positive!) attention at once!

#2373 kayemod

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 10:52

Originally posted by David McKinney
Much as I agree with the sentiment, I don't think it'll happen
It doesn't look good to have your March issue on the shelves on 1 March alongside the competition's April editions


I get the feeling that some magazines are creeping ever faster into the future, and the rest just feel that they have to keep up. One magazine I subscribe to sent me their March issue at the beginning of January this year. The December 2007 one arrived in October, and they sent me a 13th 'Christmas' issue at the beginning of November, just before Easter eggs began to appear in some shops.

#2374 BerndRos

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 11:13

I have been taking MS since 1969 and never missed an issue , all bound and in my study . also used to take Motoring News and collected it on the way to school , price 5 pence , However MS can never return to its glory days as quite simply while reading Alan Henry in M N was one thing , waiting for DSJ to report from that strange far off place where GP s were run ( Europe ) was quite another , and his letters from Europe etc were , well esquisite . These days with TV , cable and the internet etc it would not sell in large enough numbers to make it viable in its old form . Those of us that have been taking it over a period of time have to accept that our reasons for buying it have either changed or we continue out of habit or loyalty .

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#2375 Vitesse2

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 13:04

Originally posted by Red Socks
Sorry to be really old fashioned but please can we have the April issue on the first of April not the First of March-perhaps we could haver an extra isssue in the middle to stay the withdrawal symptoms.

I've explained this before ....

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#2376 red stick

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 15:11

Originally posted by HDonaldCapps
Any magazine that has features on both Roy Salvadori and Richard Petty -- both of whom I think a great deal, seems to be moving along the correct azimuth....


Maybe it's because I know a little about Petty and not much about Salvadori, but I thought the Petty article way too brief and the Salvadori fascinating.

#2377 HDonaldCapps

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 16:21

The Petty article was far too brief, but at least there was one. As for the Salvadori luncheon conversation, great stuff. Comparing this issue with several from not that far back in time, difficult to believe it is the same magazine in several respects.

Maybe they will consider setting The Record straight on the 1933 GP di Tripoli.....

#2378 Neil Andrew

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 22:51

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I am a new member of this forum, indeed this is my first posting.
I bought my first copy of MS at Glasgow Central Station on 25 May 61, when about to travel south for my wedding.
I have been buying it ever since, missing only two months, when I was working in Singapore, and had not yet found anywhere that it was stocked. Apart from those two missing copies, I have all the others in my library. Does this establish me as an "MS Loyalist"?
I was absolutely entralled with it in those early days, and can still remember articles such as :The Ideal Pair" of vehicles. The reliability survey of then current cars etc, etc. WB's camera / glove box test.
By the later sixties I was also purchasing Autosport & MN, both of which are still being delivered. I have most but not all of the Autosports, but only some very special editions of MN.

MS today is a very different magazine than it was in the sixties, but could we ever expect to replace DSJ?
To my mind it was at its lowest in the late eighties & early nineties, but it was never in any danger of me not buying it.
I think it has improved very considereably over the last several years, particularly under the leadership of Andrew Frankel.
I was very sorry to read that he was giving up his position, but even more concerned to learn that N Roebuck was taking his place.
I was reading Autosport before NR came on that scene, and am reading it after he departed.
I have never understood the enthusiasm for this guy who seems to me to have no ideas of his own. Where would he be without his collection of taped interviews to quote from, supporting his addiction to "Cut & Paste". His writing does not flow, and is very "bitty".
Compare his effort in the current edition to the seamless elegance of AF.
NR is also prone to the cheap political jibe, which has brought readers' protest letters to both Autosport and MS.

So I fear that we will see a decline in MS quality, with an undue proportion of its space given over to F1, probably at the expence of rallying. I hope I am wrong, but it will take more than NR's efforts with electronic scissors and gum to deter me from subscribing.

nca

#2379 Barry Boor

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 23:02

with an undue proportion of its space given over to F1,



I don't see Motor Sport these days but a prominent TNEffer, who shall remain nameless, vouchedsafe a similar fear to me recently. :)

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#2380 Red Socks

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Posted 06 February 2008 - 18:52

Originally posted by red stick


Maybe it's because I know a little about Petty and not much about Salvadori, but I thought the Petty article way too brief and the Salvadori fascinating.


I do wish these mags would not do these 'unthorough' articles-it kills the subject for any magazine article for years to come and leaves far too much unsaid. We understand that they have to find the line between being entertainment and factual sources but skimpy writing just ain't very satisfactory.

#2381 ensign14

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Posted 09 February 2008 - 13:24

Couple of things from this issue...

Frank Gardner on driving a Tasman Cooper: "I was full chat on the straight and when I hit the brakes something flew off the car and whizzed past my head. It was a chunk of the front right-hand brake disc. The back brakes slowed me a bit, but I had to spin it so I could hit the sleepers arse first."

Of course, it was dangerous when they didn't have tyre warmers. :rolleyes:

Bummer Scott: "There is no time to talk about God, we are discussing racing at Brooklands."

TNF motto?

#2382 oldtimer

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Posted 09 February 2008 - 23:56

Originally posted by Neil Andrew
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I am a new member of this forum, indeed this is my first posting.

... with an undue proportion of its space given over to F1,

nca


Welcome to TNF, Neil. With your interest going back so far, it is surprising that you have taken so long to share some of your thoughts.

Ironically, it was the space given over to F1 which hooked me. Back in 1953, on a railway station, waiting for a train to take me for a university interview. We all know why.

#2383 bradbury west

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Posted 12 February 2008 - 00:32

In this month's newsletter the VSCC draws to its members' attention that on February 22 Bill Boddy MBE, Founder Editor of Motor Sport magazine, will achieve his 95th birthday.
Those of a generous and appreciative disposition might consider sending their congratulations to WB via the Motor Sport office;
editorial@motorsportmagazine.co.uk
editorial staff can be contacted at first name dot second name at motorsportmagazine.co.uk
Roger Lund.

#2384 richardspringett

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 07:45

MS seems to be back to the old tricks - the March covering letter requesting sub renewal says ''... very special offer, which is only available to regular readers like yourself'' of UKP 128. Inside the magazine the offer is 120 pounds - disloyalty earns you a saving of 8 pounds! Pathetic really.

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#2385 green-blood

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 09:38

yeah, we got stung for 128 over the phone.... although the rather effeminate bloke said it was for 26 issues.... starting in march. 2 weeks later I got a letter to say it was starting in April.... so i had to go shopping and found one copy of March!!! grrrr

#2386 Stephen W

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 12:10

Just back from a trip into town where I spotted the latest Motor Sport on the shelves in WH Smiths. Imagine my shock when I saw that the copies had a free booklet included with the issue. As a subscriber I didn't get this when my copy dropped through the letter box!

I feel a snotogram coming on! :mad:

#2387 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 12:16

Steve , you are not alone, didnt get a booklet in Dublin.

#2388 Vitesse2

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 12:25

[Newsagent mode]As my copies for sale didn't have a free booklet (about what?) either, I'd guess this is an exclusive promotion via WH Smith. These things happen .... : [/Newsagent mode]

#2389 kayemod

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 13:04

Originally posted by Vitesse2
[Newsagent mode]As my copies for sale didn't have a free booklet (about what?) either, I'd guess this is an exclusive promotion via WH Smith. These things happen .... : [/Newsagent mode]


(Occasional MS reader mode) I got mine from Borders, and it came packed in a polybag with a quite nice little extra titled 'Heroes by Heroes', Jim Clark and ACBC on the cover and mostly drivers saying why they admired another of their number, and worth having for the pic of Sir Stirling's hero JMF drifting a Lancia Ferrari D50. (Occasional MS reader mode)

#2390 Stephen W

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 14:20

Originally posted by Vitesse2
[Newsagent mode]As my copies for sale didn't have a free booklet (about what?) either, I'd guess this is an exclusive promotion via WH Smith. These things happen .... : [/Newsagent mode]


I'll pop in again tomorrow to double check if it isn't woe betide those at Motor Sport, after all what would be the point in having a subscription? This has happened before!

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#2391 ensign14

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 14:30

[subscriber]Wasn't that supplement sent out a few months back? [/subscriber]

#2392 richardspringett

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 15:18

Quote ''MS seems to be back to the old tricks - the March covering letter requesting sub renewal says ''... very special offer, which is only available to regular readers like yourself'' of UKP 128. Inside the magazine the offer is 120 pounds - disloyalty earns you a saving of 8 pounds! Pathetic really.'' end quote


Martin Nott - Publisher no less - sent me an e-mail stating ''it didn't look right and promised to look into it'' that a loyal subscriber was expected to pay UKP 8 more than any old Tom Dick and Harry, but I wouldn't hold your breath....

Richard

#2393 David McKinney

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 17:27

Originally posted by Vitesse2
[Newsagent mode]As my copies for sale didn't have a free booklet (about what?) either, I'd guess this is an exclusive promotion via WH Smith. These things happen .... : [/Newsagent mode]

I bought mine from W H Smith's - with no free booklet :down:

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 20:09

Originally posted by ensign14
[subscriber]Wasn't that supplement sent out a few months back? [/subscriber]


[subscriber]If it was then I didn't receive it.[/subscriber]

#2395 Catalina Park

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 05:16

[/subscriber] ;)

#2396 Stephen W

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 09:51

Originally posted by Shockabuku


[subscriber]If it was then I didn't receive it.[/subscriber]


Neither did I! :wave:

#2397 Rob29

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 10:43

Nor me ,that I recall.What exactly was in it?

#2398 sterling49

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 10:47

Originally posted by Rob29
Nor me ,that I recall.What exactly was in it?


Nor me......

#2399 fines

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 10:53

... nor me!






























Hang on there, what was this about? Sorry, I'm not a subscriber! :blush: :lol: :rotfl:

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#2400 Stephen W

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 14:49

Originally posted by Vitesse2
[Newsagent mode]As my copies for sale didn't have a free booklet (about what?) either, I'd guess this is an exclusive promotion via WH Smith. These things happen .... : [/Newsagent mode]


Checked out WH Smiths again and the booklet "HEROES by HEROES" along with the magazine are in a nice plastic envelope. There is no mention of this being an EXCLUSIVE WH Smith offer either on the plastic envelope or any where in store.

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