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#3601 john winfield

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 10:27

Here is the proof that you are looking for David and Roger.

http://homepage.mac......0Park GC.html

If you scroll back to the previous round at Brands Hatch you will see that Trevor raced in that one as well. :wave:

Glyn


Glyn, David,
Simon Lewis has, as ever, some lovely photos for sale, including.....

http://cgi.ebay.co.u...77#ht_594wt_932

which must be the Brands round that you mention.
John

PS Does anyone know when that little grandstand was removed? I assume it was intended for viewing the long right hander on the short circuit but I don't recall ever noticing it (1969 onwards).

Edited by john winfield, 24 November 2010 - 10:30.


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#3602 glyn parham

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 13:16

PS Does anyone know when that little grandstand was removed? I assume it was intended for viewing the long right hander on the short circuit but I don't recall ever noticing it (1969 onwards).


Well John, I remember it being there in the sixties, but I do not recall how long it stayed in place for the seventies. The old scaffolding stands went up and down more often than a tarts knickers during the 60's and 70's ( :blush: ) due to planning laws so it could have been a temporary one even then!

Glyn

#3603 D-Type

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 15:18

Ah! The long defunct Model Cars magazine, I used to write quite a lot for that publication in my younger days, as did one David Windsor, to whom some of the Anglia pics are credited. David is the brother of Peter Windsor, who has been involved with all kinds of things in racing, fairly recently with that hopeless US GP enterprise. As a regular contributor, I used to receive free copies of Model Cars, and had a complete collection right from issue #1, Model Maker incorporating Model Cars before that, but shortly after I'd left home to seek my fortune in the great wide world, my dear mum decided that I had to cast aside childish things, and consigned them all to the local tip, though I have to confess that I only noticed their absence several years later when on a weekend visit.

Didn't a certain Doug Nye edit one of these at one time? Before moving onto better things

#3604 Tony Matthews

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 17:00

Well John, I remember it being there in the sixties, but I do not recall how long it stayed in place for the seventies. The old scaffolding stands went up and down more often than a tarts knickers during the 60's and 70's ( :blush: ) due to planning laws so it could have been a temporary one even then!

Glyn

Glyn, are you implying that tart's knickers whent up and down at a slower rate before the '60s and after the '70s? How did planning laws influence this phenomenon?

#3605 Odseybod

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 17:07

Didn't a certain Doug Nye edit one of these at one time? Before moving onto better things


Or was it 'Miniature Auto'? Always a toss-up which to buy, anyway - so much temptation. so little spare dosh.

#3606 kayemod

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 17:38

Didn't a certain Doug Nye edit one of these at one time? Before moving onto better things


No, Model Cars was published by MAP, later Argus, who were also responsible for Aeromodeller and many other modelling and craft magazines. Model Cars was edited throughout its life by Alec Gee, who had looked after much of the car content of Model Maker as editor Vic Smeed's assistant, so was the obvious choice when the car side was separated. Vic, still with us at 90 something was one of the greatest modellers of all time, apart from writing books and editing magazines, he was responsible for probably something around a thousand model designs of all kinds, boats, cars, planes, and lots of others as well, most of them still available in plan form today, and flown and sailed etc worldwide, he also hosted several BBC model making programmes. As I said, Vic Smeed was/is a truly great character, and as a young man, he flew Spitfires in WW2. Much of the Model Cars content was about slot car racing, it was the Autosport of its time to most slot racers, but there was another model car magazine at the time called (I think) Miniature Auto, and since this featured mostly statics and diecasts with a little full-size stuff, it's possible that Doug Nye may have had some involvement with that, though probably only as an occasional contributor. After enjoying something of a boom, slot cars started to fade somewhat in the early 70s, and Model Cars was incorporated in another MAP magazine Scale Models, which was edited jointly by Alec Gee and Ron Moulton, another man who made a huge contribution to the modelling world, and who died only last month aged 87. We last met only a couple of months earlier at the funeral of yet another great modeller Phil Smith who reached 93, and was considered a significant enough figure to be granted a half page obituary in the Daily Telegraph. Having an interest in model making seems to help with longevity, and as a lifetime modeller myself, though mostly relatively pedestrian things like steam powered model boats these days, I'm hoping that some of this phenomenon is going to rub off on me.

#3607 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 17:47

Model Cars magazine , I agree very slot car based , I preferred Miniature Autowiorld , formerly Model Road and Racing , DCN contributed to it , pheraps he would give us a behind the scenes look at it .

#3608 EDWARD FITZGERALD

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 17:47

Model Cars magazine , I agree very slot car based , I preferred Miniature Autowiorld , formerly Model Road and Racing , DCN contributed to it , pheraps he would give us a behind the scenes look at it .

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 17:51

Glyn, are you implying that tart's knickers whent up and down at a slower rate before the '60s and after the '70s? How did planning laws influence this phenomenon?

I guess plannning laws prevented permanent structures.Im not sure which stand we are talking about here but all Brands stands apart from the one opposite pits/startline were of temporary nature..Extra stands were erected for Britsh GP and other major events like Race of Champions.Startlne stand was about the only decent one at a British circuit with bar at the back and toilets underneath.Never seeen any explanation of why it was demolished.

Edited by Rob29, 24 November 2010 - 17:52.


#3610 alansart

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 17:54

Model Cars magazine , I agree very slot car based , I preferred Miniature Autowiorld , formerly Model Road and Racing , DCN contributed to it , pheraps he would give us a behind the scenes look at it .


I submitted one or two articles to Model Cars. (I was only about 15 at the time). If published, I got a slot car related goodie as a reward :)

Edited by alansart, 24 November 2010 - 17:55.


#3611 David Lawson

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 19:03

My tiny claim to fame was getting a mention in a Model Cars race report of a 6 Hour race for 1/24 scale cars at Wonderland Raceways in 1970.

David

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 19:11

Here is the proof that you are looking for David and Roger.
............Glyn


Glyn, many thanks for the prompt, but I had already checked Frank's site which confirmed my memory lapse. It was the Escort which foxed me.
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#3613 alansart

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 19:12

Wonderland Raceways in 1970.


I went there once. Southend-on-Sea?


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Posted 24 November 2010 - 19:37

Glyn, are you implying that tart's knickers whent up and down at a slower rate before the '60s and after the '70s? How did planning laws influence this phenomenon?


Do planning laws cover erections of a short-lived or temporary nature ? Of course, I'm referring to scaffolding based grandstands here.


#3615 David Lawson

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 20:01

I went there once. Southend-on-Sea?


Yes, on Southend seafront. A very good pair of tracks, a successful slot car equipment and spares business and a very active centre for a good few years. There was also the Racing and Drag Centre in Westcliff, which is part of Southend, which was the first commercial slot car track in the UK so I was spoilt for choice for my slot racing at these venues from 1966 to 1971.

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#3616 Tony Matthews

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Posted 24 November 2010 - 20:08

Do planning laws cover erections of a short-lived or temporary nature ? Of course, I'm referring to scaffolding based grandstands here.

You leave my scaffolding out of it...

#3617 glyn parham

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Posted 25 November 2010 - 08:29

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b]Do planning laws cover erections of a short-lived or temporary nature ? Of course, I'm referring to scaffolding based grandstands here.

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I guess plannning laws prevented permanent structures.Im not sure which stand we are talking about here but all Brands stands apart from the one opposite pits/startline were of temporary nature..Extra stands were erected for Britsh GP and other major events like Race of Champions.Startlne stand was about the only decent one at a British circuit with bar at the back and toilets underneath.Never seeen any explanation of why it was demolished.


Temporary stands were erected (calm down Mr Matthews :rotfl: ) for a set number of days per year and John Webb was very clever over his use of the temporary planning consents required for them during his reign at Brands Hatch. Many of them were put up for the Grand Prix and Race of Champions with other races such as the 1000km or a big bike meeting programmed to taking place within a couple of weeks of these events which then guarunteed further use (and ticket money income) before they were dismantled "until the next time". I am sure that is how the one at Clearways was operated, just like the others that ran almost the full length of the top straight but like John I have no idea when this stand was finally used.

How many of you knew that the much missed permanent grandstand on the start/finish line was demolished because either the planning permission had expired or it simply didn't have permission to be erected in the first place! I do not remember the exact reason of the two, but that and the Grovewood Suite had to go.

Glyn.

PS - Tony, as you well know, I have no intention of messing around with your scaffolding. :p

Edited by glyn parham, 25 November 2010 - 08:30.


#3618 Tony Matthews

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Posted 25 November 2010 - 21:58

PS - Tony, as you well know, I have no intention of messing around with your scaffolding. :p

Spoilsport!

#3619 Doug Nye

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 18:26

Darryl Reach and I produced 'Airfix Magazine' while working for Knightsbridge Publications in a paddock-edge Portacabin at Brands Hatch 1963-64-65, and also while working on the sister monthly 'Motor Racing' - oh and 'Sports Car' which was a four-letter word. We then launched 'Miniature Auto' and became the first - and I suspect only - publication to pay fees to the American lawyer Reeve Whitson's new-fangled Design Registration outfit to gain 'exclusive' access to Formula 1 team manufacturing drawings, and so reproduce accurate three-view scale drawings for model makers. I have to say I really enjoyed writing the background texts for those drawing features. I don't think 'Miniature Auto' survived the subsequent takeover of Knightsbridge Publications by an outfit named, I think, Product Journals. By that time I was primarily involved with 'Motor Racing' magazine, with Cyril Posthumus as Editor. I thought the world of Cyril and when the takeover went through and Cyril was made redundant (I suspect for being regarded as 'too expensive' or 'inconvenient') I was not about to accept the offer that was made to me of staying on as associate editor. In fact I recall my response as being "As far as I'm concerned you can take your ------ job, fold it 'til the edges are sharp, and then stick it right up your ----- ----- ----".

Ever the diplomat. :cool:

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Edited by Doug Nye, 26 November 2010 - 18:27.


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#3620 D-Type

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 22:24

Darryl Reach and I produced 'Airfix Magazine' while working for Knightsbridge Publications in a paddock-edge Portacabin at Brands Hatch 1963-64-65, and also while working on the sister monthly 'Motor Racing' - oh and 'Sports Car' which was a four-letter word. We then launched 'Miniature Auto' and became the first - and I suspect only - publication to pay fees to the American lawyer Reeve Whitson's new-fangled Design Registration outfit to gain 'exclusive' access to Formula 1 team manufacturing drawings, and so reproduce accurate three-view scale drawings for model makers. I have to say I really enjoyed writing the background texts for those drawing features. I don't think 'Miniature Auto' survived the subsequent takeover of Knightsbridge Publications by an outfit named, I think, Product Journals. By that time I was primarily involved with 'Motor Racing' magazine, with Cyril Posthumus as Editor. I thought the world of Cyril and when the takeover went through and Cyril was made redundant (I suspect for being regarded as 'too expensive' or 'inconvenient') I was not about to accept the offer that was made to me of staying on as associate editor. In fact I recall my response as being "As far as I'm concerned you can take your ------ job, fold it 'til the edges are sharp, and then stick it right up your ----- ----- ----".

Ever the diplomat.
:cool:

DCN

I didn't realise you'd served your apprenticeship with DSJ so early  ;)

#3621 Alan Cox

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 16:05

We then launched 'Miniature Auto' and became the first - and I suspect only - publication to pay fees to the American lawyer Reeve Whitson's new-fangled Design Registration outfit to gain 'exclusive' access to Formula 1 team manufacturing drawings, and so reproduce accurate three-view scale drawings for model makers. I have to say I really enjoyed writing the background texts for those drawing features.

I always thought "Miniature Autoworld" was great, and still have my complete run of the magazine, which I refer to from time to time.

PS Re: Motor Sport. Latest issue arrived today and it includes an extended 5-page "You were there" feature of photgraphs by Gary and Linda Carlson (TNF's very own 'Vashlin'). Also "Lunch with... David Hobbs".

#3622 alansart

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 16:16

PS Re: Motor Sport. Latest issue arrived today and it includes an extended 5-page "You were there" feature of photgraphs by Gary and Linda Carlson (TNF's very own 'Vashlin'). Also "Lunch with... David Hobbs".


I've just spotted that. It's good to see Vashlins pictures in print and they certainly deserve the special treatment given by the magazine.


#3623 vashlin

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 18:01


Thanks guys!

We're looking forward to seeing them ourselves.

Only wish Chris Hilton could have seen the pages as it was his suggestion that we send them in.

He was so happy to learn that we had five pages (I couldn't believe it myself).

We miss him very much.

Lin

#3624 Phil Rainford

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 20:11

Thanks guys!

We're looking forward to seeing them ourselves.

Only wish Chris Hilton could have seen the pages as it was his suggestion that we send them in.

He was so happy to learn that we had five pages (I couldn't believe it myself).

We miss him very much.

Lin


Motor Sport mention that Christopher Hilton alerted them to your photos Lin..........simply stunning :up:

Love the car transporting the race tyres :)

PAR


#3625 vashlin

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 21:12

Phil,
I'm glad the station wagon covered with tires made it in.
Talk about the good old days...they certainly don't operate like that anymore!

Lin

#3626 alansart

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 18:21

I received my copy yesterday. Today another one arrived, Must be the snow :)

Edited by alansart, 04 December 2010 - 18:22.


#3627 kayemod

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 18:29

I received my copy yesterday. Today another one arrived, Must be the snow :)


I'm still waiting, they must have sent you mine by mistake.


#3628 Rob29

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 08:56

I'm still waiting, they must have sent you mine by mistake.

Or mine-no post since Tuesday :(

#3629 D-Type

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 17:34

My copy is also lost in the snow. To counteract withdrawal symptoms I'm reading (and thoroughly enjoying) a pile of Vintage Racecar's I was given but had forgotten about.

#3630 bigears

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 17:57

I got my copy yesterday. I received a free CD of Motorsport Chat Shows Volume 1.

As I am profoundly deaf and this is no use. for me I am happy to give it away to someone for free. Please PM me for your address and I will post it to the first person who contacts me.

#3631 dank

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 17:58

MotorSport Magazine survey: http://www.surveymk.com/s/52FSXR8



#3632 dolomite

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Posted 16 December 2010 - 19:30

I had two copies of the January issue turn up on the same day last week. If anybody is missing theirs and is desperate for one please PM me

#3633 David Beard

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Posted 16 December 2010 - 20:27

MotorSport Magazine survey: http://www.surveymk.com/s/52FSXR8


Done. But I was hoping to be asked for opinion on the content! (The road cars were going to get a bashing, of course...otherwise all praise)

#3634 Gary C

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Posted 16 December 2010 - 21:42

..........................and I was hoping to win something!

#3635 RA Historian

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Posted 16 December 2010 - 22:00

I hope that I am wrong, but the couple questions at the end of the poll about electronic transmission of the mag worry me. Is this poll just the start? Is the purpose of the poll really that question? Is this the first step to an eventual transfer to electronic rather than paper distribution? I hope not. Call me old fashioned if you will, but I want my magazines in my hand!
Tom

#3636 Tom Glowacki

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 01:47

I hope that I am wrong, but the couple questions at the end of the poll about electronic transmission of the mag worry me. Is this poll just the start? Is the purpose of the poll really that question? Is this the first step to an eventual transfer to electronic rather than paper distribution? I hope not. Call me old fashioned if you will, but I want my magazines in my hand!
Tom


Not a problem! Get a Color Nook and download Motor Sport to it.

#3637 RA Historian

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 02:03

OK, I am computer illiterate. What is a color nook?

#3638 ryan86

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 02:25

It's one of these tiles with a screen on it.

Have to say I'm a magazine fan as well, no problems with them offering it on-line etc, but I'd be disappointed if they stopped with the paper format.

#3639 Ralf Pickel

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 09:10

I had two copies of the January issue turn up on the same day last week. If anybody is missing theirs and is desperate for one please PM me


The same over here. Hope I donĀ“t get a double bill for renewal...

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#3640 Tom Glowacki

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 11:44

OK, I am computer illiterate. What is a color nook?


It's Barnes & Noble's electronic book reader, about the size of a book, you download books and magazines into it via the Internet. If you want to see one, go to B & N, and you won't have a choice but to see it, the monster display is right inside the door with sales people to assault you. You pay for the downloads, which perferably are done over a cup of capucinno and a pastry in the B & N coffee shop. Great color reproduction and lots of storage capacity.

#3641 RA Historian

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 14:00

Thanks, Tom. But I am with Ryan 86. E magazines are fine for those who wish to have them that way, but I want the hard copy in my hand, on the plane, away from home, in the john, and on the shelf for long term reference. Call me a reactionary if you will, and you will be right!
Tom

#3642 Jim Thurman

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 18:26

Thanks, Tom. But I am with Ryan 86. E magazines are fine for those who wish to have them that way, but I want the hard copy in my hand, on the plane, away from home, in the john, and on the shelf for long term reference. Call me a reactionary if you will, and you will be right!

While I - and my many boxes of magazines and racing papers - can empathize and appreciate hard copies, is there any reason you couldn't use the e-magazine on your computer hard drive for reference purposes? (with proper back-up of course, just in case)

And after a recent nightmare of a move involving lugging box after box of books, papers and records - to a much smaller space, I have to admit the space saving prospects of e-books/magazines and digital music is quite tempting.

If someone would underwrite scanning some racing papers onto CD, I would gladly donate the originals to a racing museum. And have some space!


#3643 David Birchall

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 19:03

Having recently dumped 35 odd years accumulation of car magazines (nobody wanted them), as a result of two moves involving boxes, boxes and more boxes of magazines, I am beginning to see the advantage of electronic copies. But 'they' need to come up with a better way of displaying and storing than I have so far seen.

#3644 Robin Fairservice

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 22:22

Having recently dumped 35 odd years accumulation of car magazines (nobody wanted them), as a result of two moves involving boxes, boxes and more boxes of magazines, I am beginning to see the advantage of electronic copies. But 'they' need to come up with a better way of displaying and storing than I have so far seen.


You had 35 years of car magazines. What was a computer like 35 years ago? Try 25 years, or 15 years. With a modern computer you could not read the files on those machines. Archivists are beginning to realise that if you wish to preserve electronic files, you have to continually migrate them to the latest system, otherwise its bye bye to them. The only long term storage device is hard copy on acid free paper.

In the mid 1990's, at work, I needed information that had been written onto a floppy disc by a Digital (the maker) computer in the late 1980's. It took some while before we found one of them collecting dust in a bookcase in a small northern office. I was lucky and we were able to recover the information - onto paper!

Be thankful that you don't want to find something in a 35 year old compuer file.

#3645 ensign14

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Posted 17 December 2010 - 23:46

Every law of England is inscribed by hand on vellum. At a cost of a third of a million quid per year. When Parliament enquired about perhaps dropping such expense, the company concerned stated that they could guarantee their work for 5,000 years. Given it took a year of brutal hackwork to get the BBC's 1986 Domesday Project laserdisc into a readable condition after a mere decade, Parliament decided to stick with it.

#3646 kayemod

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 11:39

How many of you have actually got hold of a copy of the magazine this month? Nothing has arrived in the post, and we haven't had much snow in my part of the UK, so postal deliveries in these parts seem to be fairly normal. I suspect that my subscription might have come to an end, but no-one from MS has been in contact to tell me about it. Suffering severe withdrawal symptoms, I've spent the last few days trying to find a copy on sale somewhere, but with no luck at all so far, none of the retailers I've been to has even seen the January issue, and that includes my local Waitrose & Sainsbury's. So, where have all this month's copies disappeared to, surely in can't all be down to the 'cold snap', will I have to wait until there's a 'warm snap' before I can find a copy?

#3647 BRG

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 11:56

How many of you have actually got hold of a copy of the magazine this month? Nothing has arrived in the post, and we haven't had much snow in my part of the UK, so postal deliveries in these parts seem to be fairly normal. I suspect that my subscription might have come to an end, but no-one from MS has been in contact to tell me about it. Suffering severe withdrawal symptoms, I've spent the last few days trying to find a copy on sale somewhere, but with no luck at all so far, none of the retailers I've been to has even seen the January issue, and that includes my local Waitrose & Sainsbury's. So, where have all this month's copies disappeared to, surely in can't all be down to the 'cold snap', will I have to wait until there's a 'warm snap' before I can find a copy?

Not sure where exactly you are, but I had no problem getting my copy here in N. Surrey, although it did not turn up on the shelves around here until Dec 2 or 3. I had to force myself to buy it as it features a particularly unpleasant picture of the petulant toddler Vettel* on the cover. But maybe as it has the F1 season review in this edition, it sold out?


* sorry any Vettel fans, but I do have a bit of a problem with him - I have disliked several race drivers over the years, but have never until now had an almost unconquerable urge to give one a good slap.

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#3648 kayemod

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 12:07

Not sure where exactly you are...


On the borders of the Poole/Bournemouth conurbation, and two or three shops I've enquired in told me they hadn't received any.


#3649 David Lawson

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 12:52

I received my subscription copy on time as usual and my local Tesco and WHSmith here in Southend on Sea, Essex have it on the shelves.

David

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Posted 18 December 2010 - 13:59

I received my subscription copy on time as usual and my local Tesco and WHSmith here in Southend on Sea, Essex have it on the shelves.

David

De4liveries do seem to have settled down mine arrived on time 14/12 here4 in France