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#3901 BRG

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 20:31

Are there two versions of Motor Sport?
I am a subscriber and since I renewed in November my copies don't have the extra little cardboard flap outside the cover and yet it is shown inside on a photo of the current issue.
Is there a news stand version and a subscriber version and what is the difference?
The next question is why am I now getting a different version?

This is a mystery. I hate the flappy bit and it was annoying me through last summer when ever I opened the mag. Then it stopped, with instead just a coloured stripe on the cover - much better. But then, last month the flap was back. Yet this month, it's gone again. These are all shop bought copies as I do not subscribe. What's going on?

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 20:51

I totally agree about the flappy bit. It gets in the way and it's stuck on with so much glue it's a mess when if you cut it off. If they must do it I wish they'd print it on the cover. I know it's meant to attract sales but is it self-defeating? Without it, the green cover stands out while the jazzy stripe with the "buy me!" content just makes it look like any other magazine (admittedly not quite as much as it did in the "red period". [/rant]

Having got that off my chest, it's time to settle down and read my latest copy.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 10:32

It seems that as a subscriber, I can now also get the iPad edition. That seems like a very sensible approach (I've also just embraced the Kindle which is a far more sensible way of readng "holiday" books - paper backs and the like).

Whlst the iPad is not cheap, it is a very nice bit of kit ...

Not sure I'd want to subscribe electronically only, though.

#3904 Charlieman

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 14:31

I wonder...

If we are no longer interested in discussing Motor Sport, is it because it is now so good that it can't be criticised or so bad that it's not worth it?


Late last year, I started to read this post from page one, at a rate of five pages a night. I seem to have stopped bookmarking after page 20. What kept me going though the gripes and whinges and occasional interesting sidelines was learning how an essentially good product can get mucked up so easily. The grim years that happened at Motor Sport occur at lots of organisations, not just motor racing publications. Most organisations or publications would not survive.

What readers and ex-readers were saying made a difference eventually. Blunt remarks were delivered by people who are now contributors.

I started re-subscribing to Motor Sport a few years ago after a long gap and after reading a few copies by chance. It is not the perfect magazine for me, but apart from club magazines it is the only one that I read. I skim through the pieces about modern road cars, looking for an interesting sporting anecdote, and that is my most serious complaint (about the magazine, not an illness that afflicts me).

Amongst the gripes that I read, it was said that Motor Sport is/was not technical enough. I think that the reason for non-technicality is in the title of the magazine. I like to know about the technology of racing cars but the sport is much more than that; it is about money, personalities, events, lives. Personally, I find most popular press technical articles about things that I (can) understand to be very frustrating because a short article does not deliver the detail that I desire.

Another gripe was that Motor Sport is/was not a "publication of record". But that depends on what records you wish to keep or read. DSJ's F1 reports do not record the chassis number of every car at every race. But the event report was a summary of the most interesting things, as perceived at the time by one man. DSJ's F1 reports are one man's recordings, subject to self censorship. Exceptions might be when WB drove a Brooklands car and wrote "this is the car that raced at this event" because WB wouldn't have written it if he did not believe it. Race reports about historic events where Sid Dogbreath's replica is mistakenly ascribed with history, however, need to be imbibed with salt.

Related to this is the gripe about short articles. I think that there is a simple reason for short articles: a newly revealed but interesting anecdote about a minor Maserati 250F driver only deserves a short article. If my interest is pricked, I will go to my bookshelves or look up stuff on the internet, thus creating further distractions.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 15:10

What a delight to see a piece featuring the period photographs from our own Tom Schultz's archives from Road America. All we need now is a series of accurate reports of period races and action there from Tom. A similar series of period photographs, and features from credible writers serving South Africa and the Antipodes would be attractive too.
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Posted 29 January 2012 - 17:42

What a delight to see a piece featuring the period photographs from our own Tom Schultz's archives from Road America. All we need now is a series of accurate reports of period races and action there from Tom.

Thanks for the kind words, Roger, I appreciate it. Regarding your second sentence, I did write two books containing that! (Please excuse the shameless self plug)
Tom

Edited by RA Historian, 29 January 2012 - 17:43.


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Posted 29 January 2012 - 18:42

Tom, I was meaning that such information should appear in Motor Sport to broaden horizons....... As you know I have one of the books here.
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#3908 RA Historian

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 20:05

OK, Roger, got it now. If they want me to do such an article, well, I can!

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#3909 BRG

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 20:31

All we need now is a series of accurate reports of period races and action there

I hope not. This is meant to be a news magazine, albeit one with a very strong interest in the heritage and legacy of the sport. Publishing reports of races run decades ago is just printing old news. Running stories and publishing previously unseen pictures about such races that give us a new insight or knowledge about the drivers, cars, teams etc of the time is another matter. That is adding to the sum of knowledge, not just repeating old history.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 23:45

Perhaps I worded my comment poorly. What I meant was some form of history related pieces about racing at that, or any other, 0 circuit from the pen of one who was there, as we see in Vintage Racecar, rather than what many magazines offer in the form of rehashes by writers who have simply trawled through old magazines and books, or worse still, simply acting as advertorial vehicles for auction houses or upmarket dealers. The same point applies to racing from other countries, unless you are happy with just another eulogy to Moss, Stewart etc, fill in your own choice, or the usual pieces on 250Fs etc again fill in your own choice. I am looking for diversity of topic based on motor sport history, not modern historic racing stuff, or simple ego-trip tests.
There are also some of us who still do not fully understand the need for the seeming obsession with F1. I understand the driving need for good sales figures. My loyalty to MS is well known BTW.
Roger Lund

edit,
It might be of interest to check out Classic Cars since its major overhaul under its new owners. Diverse articles on interesting topics by good writers offering refreshing reading, rather like VR and C&SC, plus the usual news/events stuff. It all depends what you want to read.

Edited by bradbury west, 29 January 2012 - 23:50.


#3911 Allan Lupton

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 23:47

I hope not. This is meant to be a news magazine, albeit one with a very strong interest in the heritage and legacy of the sport. Publishing reports of races run decades ago is just printing old news. Running stories and publishing previously unseen pictures about such races that give us a new insight or knowledge about the drivers, cars, teams etc of the time is another matter. That is adding to the sum of knowledge, not just repeating old history.

Exactly so, and if you need a report of a race the contemporary one is bound to be better as a race report than a modern (possibly revisionist) article written by someone who not only wasn't there but isn't educated enough (let alone old enough) to understand the ways and means of the time. Certainly if something important were to come to light a piece on that aspect alone would be useful.
As one who regrets the passing of the "magazine of record" I was assumed to mean chassis numbers, etc. which I did not. The race reports were backed by comprehensive results of race and practice and the text usually explains the anomolies.
So far as the non-technical aspect goes, motor sport (and all motor car design) is a deeply technical matter and we used to have features in the magazines on the new car developments as and when they were seen. In Motor Sport we had explanations of the engineering when the writers understood it themselves, whether it was of the racing cars or the road cars they were testing. In many racing cases it was the engineering difference that gave the race result - but then I'm referring to the halcyon days when the engineer who designed the car was permitted to take fundamental decisions within a simple formula definition, unlike now when the Rules proscribe most possibilities.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 09:50

Exactly so, and if you need a report of a race the contemporary one is bound to be better as a race report than a modern (possibly revisionist) article written by someone who not only wasn't there but isn't educated enough (let alone old enough) to understand the ways and means of the time. Certainly if something important were to come to light a piece on that aspect alone would be useful.
As one who regrets the passing of the "magazine of record" I was assumed to mean chassis numbers, etc. which I did not. The race reports were backed by comprehensive results of race and practice and the text usually explains the anomolies.
So far as the non-technical aspect goes, motor sport (and all motor car design) is a deeply technical matter and we used to have features in the magazines on the new car developments as and when they were seen. In Motor Sport we had explanations of the engineering when the writers understood it themselves, whether it was of the racing cars or the road cars they were testing. In many racing cases it was the engineering difference that gave the race result - but then I'm referring to the halcyon days when the engineer who designed the car was permitted to take fundamental decisions within a simple formula definition, unlike now when the Rules proscribe most possibilities.


Hear Hear to Allan's comments on the proscription against innovation.

My March edition arrivedhere in France Profonde this morning, not yet opened because I have to collect Manadement from her Pilates cl;ass.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 13:36

... by someone who not only wasn't there but isn't educated enough (let alone old enough) to understand the ways and means of the time.


Allan

What sort of education do you think Motor Sport writers should have? And would, in your view, an historian considering writing a book about the Norman Conquest need to be 950+ years old?

Rgds

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 14:15

Allan

What sort of education do you think Motor Sport writers should have? And would, in your view, an historian considering writing a book about the Norman Conquest need to be 950+ years old?

Rgds

Paul


He would. if, to fit in with Roger's idea, he was giving an eye witness account.

#3915 kayemod

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 14:27

He would. if, to fit in with Roger's idea, he was giving an eye witness account.



That account would have been a bit one-sided if King Harold provided it.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 14:54

That account would have been a bit one-sided if King Harold provided it.

My history master told me to keep an eye out for him.

I don't know why but Allan's comments remind me of my father saying to me that you couldn't properly appreciate music unless you could read it! :well:

#3917 kayemod

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 15:03

Allan's comments remind me of my father saying to me that you couldn't properly appreciate music unless you could read it! :well:


My father played the bagpipes, which I think negates that argument...


#3918 Allan Lupton

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 15:21

Allan

What sort of education do you think Motor Sport writers should have? And would, in your view, an historian considering writing a book about the Norman Conquest need to be 950+ years old?

Rgds

Paul

Thanks for allowing me to put what I wrote more clearly.
a) I do not refer to education in the formal sense, but in order to write well about times past one needs to know about those times in some depth.
b) for recent events being old enough is effectively that education.

As for the events that included the Norman Conquest (b) clearly does not apply but someone whose only understanding on military matters was based on a close study of (say) the Falklands conflict would find it hard to understand, let alone write about the Conquest.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 17:28

My father played the bagpipes, which I think negates that argument...

Definition of a gentleman: someone who knows how to play the bagpipes, and doesn't.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 22:26

Definition of a gentleman: someone who knows how to play the bagpipes, and doesn't.


You certainly wouldn't have got any argument from my mum on that one, she never allowed him play them in the house.


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Posted 19 February 2012 - 11:03

Beautiful issue the March one, with a great engineer deservedly honoured.



Agreed, and he had a lot of interesting things to say about all kinds of things. I remember Patrick Head from the time he worked at Lola, but the biggest shock to me was how little skinflint Eric Broadley was paying his designer. I'm younger than Patrick, and in those days I was working a few hundred yards down the hill at Specialised Mouldings, who were paying me about 50% more. We all liked him, he was really good to work with, though part of that may have been the contrast with his boss. Eric could do no wrong as far as SM management were concerned, he was just about their first major customer in the race car business, but he was far from popular with the rest of us. He had a habit of turning up, usually when he knew Peter and/or David Jackson weren't around to keep him in check, donning a white coat, and attacking Lola bucks that we were working on with an angle-grinder. He only ever worked on one side to achieve what he wanted, leaving us to re-work it all into some kind of symmetry, not a simple job. The problem was that after allowing for tyre clearances etc, we usually had to put back most of what he'd ground away, which put us back more or less where we'd been to start with, and several days behind where we had been.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 21:58

Bit of a faux pas on the Parting Shot page this month  ;)

Makes me worried as to how LAT catalogue their photos and ironically there is an interview with Mike and Steve Tee of LAT featured in Motor Sport this month :rotfl:

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 08:47

The March issue was superb, but the April issue has possibly the most hideous Motor Sport cover picture I've ever seen.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:08

Agreed, and he had a lot of interesting things to say about all kinds of things. I remember Patrick Head from the time he worked at Lola, but the biggest shock to me was how little skinflint Eric Broadley was paying his designer. I'm younger than Patrick, and in those days I was working a few hundred yards down the hill at Specialised Mouldings, who were paying me about 50% more. We all liked him, he was really good to work with, though part of that may have been the contrast with his boss. Eric could do no wrong as far as SM management were concerned, he was just about their first major customer in the race car business, but he was far from popular with the rest of us. He had a habit of turning up, usually when he knew Peter and/or David Jackson weren't around to keep him in check, donning a white coat, and attacking Lola bucks that we were working on with an angle-grinder. He only ever worked on one side to achieve what he wanted, leaving us to re-work it all into some kind of symmetry, not a simple job. The problem was that after allowing for tyre clearances etc, we usually had to put back most of what he'd ground away, which put us back more or less where we'd been to start with, and several days behind where we had been.



A good illustration of a phenomona that still exists in racing (& outside too, of course)! With success (& age is not necessarily a factor), there sometimes grows the belief that you are the only one with the best answer. Sometimes it's unintentional & sometimes it's a touch of arrogance. Only with a very few people is it genuine & they are the most admirable & usually the most humble also.
It's amazing how much havoc can sometimes be caused, while the instigator sails serenely on in his or her world of fame, fortune & grovelling admiration.

#3925 RA Historian

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 15:52

The March issue was superb, but the April issue has possibly the most hideous Motor Sport cover picture I've ever seen.

Have not received my copy yet, won't for a few weeks on this side of the pond, but I have seen it on their site. Agreed. Looks as if it was drawn by Andy Warhol on acid. Almost made me recoil in horror.

Edited by RA Historian, 25 February 2012 - 15:52.


#3926 ryan86

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 17:55

Schumacher looks decidedly sinister.

#3927 Barry Boor

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 19:25

Well, I don't buy it these days but I had a look at the cover.

My immediate reaction was, what were they thinking?

#3928 Thundersport

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 21:52

I thought the cover was cool and different........... :smoking:

#3929 dank

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 22:01

Can anyone confirm what it is I'm actually missing out on by not being able to download the iPad version of the magazine?

I'd hate to think that some subscribers are getting extra value for money than I am, simply because I do not have the tools in which to benefit from a 'superior' version of Motor Sport Magazine...

#3930 john aston

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:13

Well, I don't buy it these days but I had a look at the cover.

My immediate reaction was, what were they thinking?

The answer is - let's do a Warhol thing. Jury is still out. But a great read as ever.

#3931 Maldwyn

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:06

Can anyone confirm what it is I'm actually missing out on by not being able to download the iPad version of the magazine?

I'd hate to think that some subscribers are getting extra value for money than I am, simply because I do not have the tools in which to benefit from a 'superior' version of Motor Sport Magazine...

The iPad version of the magazine is a faithful reproduction of the print edition so I wouldn't say you're missing out. It's a very well done recreation in digital format with some extras in terms of video and picture galleries. There are also links to the magazine website and the format enables you to share content via social media, if you like that sort of thing, all in a package that gives you a portable magazine collection.

Edited by Maldwyn, 26 February 2012 - 09:11.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 11:10

I agree about the latest cover being iffy, especially when I think how classy they usually are (particularly since they stopped adding the text). Great issue though as usual, nice pull-out on the classic events programme too which is handy...

Edited by DampMongoose, 26 February 2012 - 11:10.


#3933 LittleChris

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 23:13

Thoroughly enjoyable podcast with Derek Bell now listenable / downloadable

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#3934 Roger Clark

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 20:14

Is anybody else having problems with the iPad app? It worked very well when I first downloaded it but now crashes to the iPad home screen after a few seconds. I recently downloaded IOS 5.1 and the problems may have started then.

#3935 David Beard

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 20:18

[quote name='Barry Boor' date='Feb 25 2012, 20:25' post='5550558'

My immediate reaction was, what were they thinking?
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Warhol, I would imagine. But why?

Never mind, the last few issues have been especially good. It all suits me down to the ground. I especially liked the recent Patrick Head stuff.

#3936 Derwent Motorsport

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:07

I know many of us read MS each month. I find it mostly excllent although I doubt Frankel's ability to do balanced reports on road cars. I was sufficiently annoyed in the last issue that I wrote a letter, slightly tongue in cheek, to the letters column. I got a read receipt from Gordon Cruickshank that said "Deleted without being read".
Has anyone else had this treatment? Perhaps they write their own letters column? :o

#3937 f1steveuk

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:22

I know many of us read MS each month. I find it mostly excllent although I doubt Frankel's ability to do balanced reports on road cars. I was sufficiently annoyed in the last issue that I wrote a letter, slightly tongue in cheek, to the letters column. I got a read receipt from Gordon Cruickshank that said "Deleted without being read".
Has anyone else had this treatment? Perhaps they write their own letters column? :o



I once wrote in after an article on John Cobb appeared that was so inaccurate, I haven't brought Motorsport since!

The picture that headed it was of Malcolm Campbell in Bluebird K3, so it didn't bode well from the off. I wrote a polite, short and accurate email, backed up with evidence, and got a long, rude and aggrogrant reply that finished "quite who do you think you are?" This only two months after they reviewed, quite glowingly, my book on the Campbell's that included much about Cobb. Like I said, haven't brought it since.

What did appear however, in the very next issue was a letter thanking them for such and informative and enlightening article, it may well have been sent in by a "Mr M Sport"

Edited by f1steveuk, 11 April 2012 - 12:24.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:43

Not really relevant to Motor Sport's letters page, but I sent an e-mail to them a year or so ago commenting on some aspect of graphic design, they'd published an article that looked good on the page but was almost unreadable, the text was reversed out of the background, white text on a photo background for the non-printers among you. I got a detailed response from Editor Damien a couple of hours later, thoughtful, explanatory and most pleasant in tone, for which I was both favourably impressed and grateful. I'm lucky enough to have very good eyesight, but was pointing out that the pages concerned would have been virtually unreadable for many of the magazine's older readers. Rather charmingly, Damien told me that at least one member of staff was "almost 50", so they would soon be told if they were making things too difficult for their elderly readers. I thought about WB, who at that point was still around and in his late 90s, I can just imagine what he would have said.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 14:07

Hi all,

Slightly alarmed to read this thread!

We have an IT problem here that has kept our computer man puzzled for about three years now! Emails to the editorial address are picked up on Gordon Cruickshank's computer. But when he clicks on a new message we understand it sometimes fires back a 'message deleted' reply to the sender – which then leads to irate emails from understandably annoyed readers who think we are ignoring them. GC then has to contact the writer to assure them we have read the message, despite how it appears. Aggravation all round, to put it mildly.

So just to assure anyone who has contacted us or wants to in the future, we read everything that comes in. And we never make up letters. I always think you can tell a lot about the strength of a magazine by the quality of its letters page, and I'm pleased that most months we receive fascinating messages from readers, often adding insight to a story we've run, correcting us on facts we've got wrong or taking us to task for an opinion voiced that they don't agree with. We can't run them all and we have to edit some of them down to make them fit on the page, but we don't censor (unless it's libelous). And we don't shy away from printing criticism of the magazine or any of the writers.

We get lots of requests from readers asking for help finding articles from the past, or calling on us for aid in tracing a particular car. GC answers as many of these as possible, but there is only so much time in the month. He does what he can.

I was also sorry to read about the rude response on the Cobb/Campbell article. I do hope this was some time ago. I don't recall a recent Cobb article off the top of my head, so hopefully the reply didn't come from one of us still here on the staff.

Best regards

Damien

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 14:12

I have a rather nice Italian leather bag as proof that at least one of my letters to Motor Sport was published! Can't remember which letter that was but was probably my usual bee in the bonnet; the myth that Enzo got the 1964 Coppa Inter Europa cancelled at the last minute so that Ferrari would win the GT championship. Maybe quoting DSJ's "Musings from Monza" or whatever helped.

I had an ongoing email conversation with the then editor of Motoring/Motorsport News some years ago when I criticised them for "lazy journalism" and for unreadable printing of text over colour. He seemed to take my comments seriously even if he disagreed.

#3941 f1steveuk

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 14:17

I was also sorry to read about the rude response on the Cobb/Campbell article. I do hope this was some time ago. I don't recall a recent Cobb article off the top of my head, so hopefully the reply didn't come from one of us still here on the staff.

Best regards

Damien



Hi Damien,

well Leap into Legend came out in 2002, and it was just after Motorsport reviewed it (after I ensured a review copy was sent) that the Cobb article was run, so ten years ago. The sad thing is, that means I haven't bothered with the magazine that got me into modern motor sport for over ten years.

#3942 Derwent Motorsport

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 15:13

Thanks Damien for the speedy response. It's certainly an IT issue that needs addressing. I must admit that with another hat on I get the same response to any PRs that are emailed to MS. However I put that down to either a SPAM filter or you were sick of PRs!

#3943 kayemod

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 16:29

Well, you just never know who might be listening...

#3944 JockinSA

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 17:48


Not having read MS now for a good many years, I cannot comment on new type faces etc, but for the editor to admit that a publication has a problem of this variety on their IT system is rather alarming to me from a business point of view. I would have thought that any competant IT "engineer" would have this sorted out by now. My personal feeling having read his letter is that replies just get shunted off to whoever for a response and they get answered in a manner relative to how that person got out of bed that morning. As Private Eye used to say years ago," Having just returned from that great state of Arselikhan, Mr. R. .....................".

#3945 Allan Lupton

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 23:02

Not having read MS now for a good many years, I cannot comment on new type faces etc, but for the editor to admit that a publication has a problem of this variety on their IT system is rather alarming to me from a business point of view. I would have thought that any competant IT "engineer" would have this sorted out by now. My personal feeling having read his letter is that replies just get shunted off to whoever for a response and they get answered in a manner relative to how that person got out of bed that morning. As Private Eye used to say years ago," Having just returned from that great state of Arselikhan, Mr. R. .....................".

I think that sums it up well. Anyone who hides behind IT problems these days has a credibility gap.
Poorly researched articles is just plain indefensible, so at least he didn't try to defend it, just implied that with the high staff turnover whoever responded to the comment less than ten years ago isn't there now.
The rest of it is those staff who got a "degree" in graphic design and have to make their mark with text reversed into photos, photos that are spread across two pages other than in the centrefold where alignment is not a problem and other effects that the old printer I knew wouldn't have given tuppence for.

PS JockinSA - any connection with Jock of the Bushveld?;)

Edited by Allan Lupton, 11 April 2012 - 23:04.


#3946 PCC

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 00:39

I think that sums it up well. Anyone who hides behind IT problems these days has a credibility gap.

Really?? You must live (or at least work) on a different planet than I do, because I encounter plenty of IT problems!

As for "shunting off letters to whoever", why would someone who cared as little as that bother to reply on a forum like this?

I'm neither a shareholder nor a relative nor an apologist for MS, honest! But sometimes the need to be hypercritical here mystifies me.

#3947 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 00:42

I gave up reading (as a normal part of life) Motor Sport several years ago...

About when they converted to a more historic format. And to be honest, I haven't bothered to check if they've changed it back.

But I continued to purchase the magazine until very recently. I had an order in with a newsagent in a Brisbane suburb who would phone me each year or so and surprise me by telling me I hadn't been in for over a year to pick them up and it was time I did so.

His last call, however, was to ask me to pick them up before he closed down the shop permanently. So my order for a monthly copy disappears into the air.

For a magazine that I used to pore over page by page, and then re-read, and that I still dive into old issues from time to time and read with great enthusiasm, I think this says something about what I think of the present quality.

#3948 john aston

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 06:49

I gave up reading (as a normal part of life) Motor Sport several years ago...

About when they converted to a more historic format. And to be honest, I haven't bothered to check if they've changed it back.

But I continued to purchase the magazine until very recently. I had an order in with a newsagent in a Brisbane suburb who would phone me each year or so and surprise me by telling me I hadn't been in for over a year to pick them up and it was time I did so.

His last call, however, was to ask me to pick them up before he closed down the shop permanently. So my order for a monthly copy disappears into the air.

For a magazine that I used to pore over page by page, and then re-read, and that I still dive into old issues from time to time and read with great enthusiasm, I think this says something about what I think of the present quality.


With respect I think that it may say more about you. I too have read the mag for decades- and I think it is assuredly a better read now than it was then. I found WB's stuff not really very riveting - I do not share the Brooklands obsession- and DSJ stuff apart it was often a very anodyne read back then. People moan about Andrew Frankel's road car stuff but compared to the superficial and often rather tedious road car stuff which MS did back then I am happy enough with it. Simon Taylor and Nigel Roebuck especially both wrote superbly - and at length- and that is why it is the last magazine I would give up

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:20

Just realised that I have never missed a copy of Motor Sport for 50 years! I'm not a huge fan of the current format, I sometimes think I only buy it now because I always have done. In some ways I believe it exists to showcase the abilities of the staff rather than to inform in the way that WB and DSJ saw it. I suspect that there is always going to be a problem when people approaching 50 are considered "old" but they are trying to produce a magazine based around events from the past.

Damn, there go the good rates I get for my very little advertisements!

#3950 Peter Horsman

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:31

With respect, gentlemen, I think you might be being a little unfair on the editor who not only was alert to ramblings on this forum but also took the time to respond in a seemingly honest fashion. Some may be surprised at elements of his response, but that should in my view not take away from the fact that a response was made.

One man's poorly reasearched article may be another's fascinating read (even if it may not be correct in every detail), and I venture to suggest that not many journalists would wish to put the head in the jaws in some of the posters on this site whose interest in and knowledge of certain subjects makes my jaw driop with (perhaps sad!) admiration. Of course, there are errors and errors - I understand that.

I subscribe to Motorsport - there is nothing else out there which comes close to providing what I want in a monthly motorsport mag with an historic bias. Yes, I am sure it ould be better - but it could easily be a lot worse. There are some clear favorites for me - Simon Taylor's Lunch With, Doug Nye (of course) to name but a couple.

So, please let's not try to knock down the editor who takes the time to respond to criticism, but make constructive comments for him to think on in the context of his readership profile - we are clearly part of that otherwise he wouldn't have bothered to have responded.