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#4151 dank

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 09:05

Isn't the archive just a series of jpeg files? Can't it be loaded on to an iPad without having to install separate apps?

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#4152 Roger Clark

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:08

Possibly, but with file sizes of over 1/2 mB for a double page spread and 1000+ pages a year, you'd fill an iPad quickly.

#4153 Charlieman

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 19:13

Isn't the archive just a series of jpeg files? Can't it be loaded on to an iPad without having to install separate apps?


There is a Flash application that assembles the image files and text files into a document that can be searched. The archives were put together at a bad time technologically. The Flash dependency means that the archives cannot be read directly on an iPad (and probably future handheld devices). If I can find the time, I'll see if it is possible to convert it into HTML, but it will be a messy process.

JPEG quality unfortunately depends on operating system and the application that you use to view a file. For an iPad or a Mac, applications will use a library based on QuickTime. In theory, the files will look the same everywhere. For Windows, it is probably worth trying different applications to view JPEGs although Internet Exploder should be good as a reference point.


#4154 D-Type

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 19:29

I simply stick the disk in my desktop and open it with Windows Exporer. This is fine for reading etc using their software. But I've never tried copying or printing

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#4155 dank

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 20:14

There is a Flash application that assembles the image files and text files into a document that can be searched. The archives were put together at a bad time technologically. The Flash dependency means that the archives cannot be read directly on an iPad (and probably future handheld devices). If I can find the time, I'll see if it is possible to convert it into HTML, but it will be a messy process.

JPEG quality unfortunately depends on operating system and the application that you use to view a file. For an iPad or a Mac, applications will use a library based on QuickTime. In theory, the files will look the same everywhere. For Windows, it is probably worth trying different applications to view JPEGs although Internet Exploder should be good as a reference point.


Works fine on my Android-powered devices.

#4156 kayemod

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 15:22

Originally posted by Barry Boor
According to John Wyer, when Gulf came along to sponsor the J. W. Automotive team of GT.40s, the Executive V.P. of Gulf, Grady Davis, said the cars HAD to be powder blue and orange.

For anyone who is interested, from the Gulf Mirage coupés onwards, and possibly earlier with some of the GT40s, all bodywork was made in Poole by FKS Fibreglass, later re-formed as Griffin Design. Earlier cars were polyester/fibreglass, and the later open car bodies were Kevlar/epoxy, but the same pigment was used for both of them, and it's a Llewellyn Rylands item still listed on their website today, 3707 Zenith Blue. I think that lower body sides were mostly painted, but airboxes etc were moulded in 3957 Tangerine. You can also find the genuine McLaren orange on LR's website as well, Rylands still manufacture all these pigments today, and the McLaren colour is 11040 Traffic Yellow. Accept no imitations or substitutes, no matter what dubious shades of bright orange you may see passed off as 'the genuine article' on restored cars.

Now I know that it's considered slightly dubious forum etiquette to quote yourself, but the above was my response to a Barry Boor post all the way back in 2008. The latest issue of Motor Sport arrived this morning, and imagine my surprise when I saw some of this somewhat obscure info quoted in a Gulf piece on page 50. The field of GRP is one of the few motorsport related areas where I mostly know what I'm talking about, and this is pretty obscure stuff that could only have come from someone who was intimately involved with Gulf bodywork back in the 80s. Fortunately all I wrote was absolutely correct, but it behoves all of us to make sure of our facts when posting on TNF, you never know which motoring writer might be using this forum for research five years down the line, and assuming I'm correct in my assumption, it's a pleasure to assist 'our' magazine's contributors.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 16:39

Fortunately all I wrote was absolutely correct, but it behoves all of us to make sure of our facts when posting on TNF, you never know which motoring writer might be using this forum for research five years down the line, and assuming I'm correct in my assumption, it's a pleasure to assist 'our' magazine's contributors.

Even more of a pleasure to have had some acknowledgment Rob, if of course your pearls of wisdom were the source of the contributor's facts...

Rob :wave:
(A non-subscriber :eek: )


#4158 Doug Nye

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 17:30

Fortunately all I wrote was absolutely correct, but it behoves all of us to make sure of our facts when posting on I'm correct in my assumption, it's a pleasure to assist 'our' magazine's contributors.


Just to avoid any doubt - not guilty m'lud (just for once). :smoking:

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 17:37

...it's a pleasure to assist 'our' magazine's contributors.

Your evidence was so convincing, you should be an advocate :D

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#4160 john winfield

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 17:38

Just to avoid any doubt - not guilty m'lud (just for once). :smoking:

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'Silence in court, Mr. Nye! Continue constable...'
'The defendant was proceeding along Farnham High Street with pots of blue and orange paint....etc. etc.'

Being another cheapskate non-subscriber like Rob, I resorted to looking at the MS website. I think the Gulf feature byline belongs to one AF doesn't it?


#4161 tokyonagaremono

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 15:28


As a newbie to the forum and a long-time MS subscriber, just wanted to add my thoughts on the current state of the mag (sorry if people have said the same things before, am reading through the thread at the rate of about ten pages per day but not caught up yet).

The best thing about the mag at the mo isn't the mag at all, it's the podcasts on the website - they are brilliant. Hearing the likes of Bell and Attwood and Redman telling anecdotes about their days in the fast seats is a wonderful way to spend a quiet evening. The website itself isn't bad, but not a place I visit more than a couple of times a month (to check for podcasts and scan the new articles, maybe skim a few).

The mag itself has, I fear, become very hit and miss over the past year or three. Simon Taylor's lunches are always great, and Doug Nye usually has something worth reading (even for people as young as I, who weren't alive at any time even remotely close to the eras covered 'at the back' of the mag). Not a big fan of modern F1 off the track - watch all the races, but don't really care what the press/pundits have to say about it - so Roebuck is usually skimmed to see if he's snuck in a section on sportscars of whatever. The quality of photography in the mag is good, but I must say, I'd much prefer more words and fewer/smaller pics - a good five or six page in-depth article of printed word supported by a couple of nice pics would be infinitely better than what seems to be the norm of late, bits of text supporting glossy pics (e.g. the Gulf stuff in this month's offering). Have been finding the articles sandwiched between NR and ST much more textually lightweight and 'piccy', not really satisfying. Which brings me to the nub of the matter - am wondering whether to bother renewing my sub - the fact I'm even considering it shows something's gone wrong.

Sportscars, very definitely my thing, are still well covered (the vintage, not so much the modern), I admit, but the lack of rallying content I find baffling. The third of a century from 1968 to 2001-ish is a goldmine of rallying machinery and personalities, yet MS only does about one article a year on it. If that.

Add the sneaking feeling that ipad owning subscribers are getting a better deal than 'normal' punters (the fact that there's extra stuff, video etc, available to them features heavily in the 'try us on ipad' ads) and I'm more and more disinclined to get the credit card out again come renewal in a few months' time.

Sorry that my first post should be a bit negative, but I chanced on the thread and had the urge to 'blurt'.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 16:18

MS should be stepping up a gear or three now that TNF's very own Simon Aaron has moved in :smoking:

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 16:19

As a newbie to the forum and a long-time MS subscriber, ....the nub of the matter - am wondering whether to bother renewing my sub - the fact I'm even considering it shows something's gone wrong. ....

Sportscars, very definitely my thing, are still well covered (the vintage, not so much the modern), I admit, but the lack of rallying content I find baffling. The third of a century from 1968 to 2001-ish is a goldmine of rallying machinery and personalities, yet MS only does about one article a year on it. If that.

Add the sneaking feeling that ipad owning subscribers are getting a better deal than 'normal' punters (the fact that there's extra stuff, video etc, available to them features heavily in the 'try us on ipad' ads) and I'm more and more disinclined to get the credit card out again come renewal in a few months' time.

Sorry that my first post should be a bit negative, but I chanced on the thread and had the urge to 'blurt'.



Welcome to TNF. Objective views are always welcome, but inevitably they are always subjective when it comes to article and race category preferences. If you trouble to skim - a seemingly favoutite pastime- through this thread you will see that the topics of evolved format and content etc have been well covered. The magazine is a commercial entity, not a minority taste club handout, and the very generous owner and publisher, along with the Editorial staff have no doubt given due consideration to the content. They are receptive to direct contact with suggestions, but courtesy dictates that you give your name etc, . Motor Sport and other magazines aim to cover their identified demographic. Looking through from the other side of the glass it may seem unfair for your preferences. All of the old car comics have the same problems, and most are moving with the digital versions.

The decision to renew is yours, although as a "long time subscriber" you will have seen them weather the storm in various content iterations. The magazine has moved very positively to assume what most of us consider a sound format now. Much of the role which it served when we were younger is long gone. I receive most of the magazines and they all have content which appeals to me or not. The level of balance is good and in most cases the good parts about my preferred fields outweigh any which do not appeal. Personal choice.

Roger Lund
who has just renewed for 2 years, in my 54th year of reading MS and I do not possess an I Pad so the bonus virtues of such devices pass me by - far too anoraky I suspect, a bit like football pundits chewing the fat over a missed corner kick perhaps. How very subjective.....

Edited by bradbury west, 29 January 2013 - 16:20.


#4164 tokyonagaremono

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 16:32

Welcome to TNF. Objective views are always welcome, but inevitably they are always subjective when it comes to article and race category preferences. If you trouble to skim - a seemingly favoutite pastime- through this thread you will see that the topics of evolved format and content etc have been well covered. The magazine is a commercial entity, not a minority taste club handout, and the very generous owner and publisher, along with the Editorial staff have no doubt given due consideration to the content. They are receptive to direct contact with suggestions, but courtesy dictates that you give your name etc, . Motor Sport and other magazines aim to cover their identified demographic. Looking through from the other side of the glass it may seem unfair for your preferences. All of the old car comics have the same problems, and most are moving with the digital versions.

The decision to renew is yours, although as a "long time subscriber" you will have seen them weather the storm in various content iterations. The magazine has moved very positively to assume what most of us consider a sound format now. Much of the role which it served when we were younger is long gone. I receive most of the magazines and they all have content which appeals to me or not. The level of balance is good and in most cases the good parts about my preferred fields outweigh any which do not appeal. Personal choice.

Roger Lund
who has just renewed for 2 years, in my 54th year of reading MS and I do not possess an I Pad so the bonus virtues of such devices pass me by - far too anoraky I suspect, a bit like football pundits chewing the fat over a missed corner kick perhaps. How very subjective.....



Roger,

I'm glad you still like it enough to renew. Good for you. But your condescending 'shut up if you have any criticisms' subtext is uncouth and ill-befitting of a man your age, or any age. I have read all but the last 20 or 30 pages of this thread and see no reason why one more subjective opinion should not be added. Quite why you put emphasis on the magazine being open to direct suggestions, as if my (or any?) opinions should be sent to them instead of posted here (what makes you think I haven't already done so?) in the, ahem, MS thread, I know not. Please enlighten me. You will be well aware as a subscriber that I, also being a subscriber, have plenty of feedback opportunities via the regular readers' questionnaires, but that doesn't preclude me airing my views elsewhere (eg here) too, does it? Of course I'm well aware the MS staff will be doing all they can to put out a mag that sells (but bear in mind that the best selling mags are 'Hello' and 'OK' type tosh, so be careful not to make sales the main thrust of any argument - unless you're willing to argue that the makers of X Factor produce the best TV in the business.) Perhaps, with an increasingly illiterate and poorly-educated society, the mag has no option but to take the glossy, shiny route - if that's where the subscribers are, then follow them there. Right?

All the best, Rob

Edited by tokyonagaremono, 29 January 2013 - 17:12.


#4165 Alan Cox

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 16:38

I'm glad you still like it enough to renew. But your condescending 'shut up if you have any criticisms' subtext is uncouth and ill-befitting of a man your age, or any age.

?? :well:

#4166 mfd

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 17:31

?? :well:

Yes but it (Roger's reply) was a bit harsh Alan

#4167 dank

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 18:07

Add the sneaking feeling that ipad owning subscribers are getting a better deal than 'normal' punters (the fact that there's extra stuff, video etc, available to them features heavily in the 'try us on ipad' ads) and I'm more and more disinclined to get the credit card out again come renewal in a few months' time.


The relentless promotion of their iPad-only features began to irritate me several weeks ago, so I asked them why these extra features were not available on Android - which there are more of - or made available in good ol' fashioned .pdf file format, which can be displayed on just about every device going.

I was told that other versions would be made available sometime this year, although I won't be in a position to find out as I have let my subscription lapse due to the hit-and-miss nature of the magazine in recent months and the 20% increase in the 12-month subscription cost - plus I have no need for a key ring or mug...

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 18:17

... plus I have no need for a key ring or mug...


I complained fairly mildly to a very helpful subscription person at the magazine, she occasionally posted on this thread back then, a few years ago about the constant stream of freebies to new subscribers. I pointed out that it was unfair on people like me who'd been subscribing without a break for years. I was assured that similar deals were in the offing for long-term subscribers, but around five years later, not a sausage for any of us, and we don't even get a slightly preferential subscription rate.


#4169 tokyonagaremono

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 19:15

The relentless promotion of their iPad-only features began to irritate me several weeks ago, so I asked them why these extra features were not available on Android - which there are more of - or made available in good ol' fashioned .pdf file format, which can be displayed on just about every device going.

I was told that other versions would be made available sometime this year, although I won't be in a position to find out as I have let my subscription lapse due to the hit-and-miss nature of the magazine in recent months and the 20% increase in the 12-month subscription cost - plus I have no need for a key ring or mug...



I don't understand why the extra content can't just be made available on the website, even if it's ringfenced in a 'subscribers only' login section.

Also, I've no idea how long you were a subscriber for, but it's well known that the longer the sub and the bigger the archive of back issues, the harder it is to quit. Momentum. I'm actually quite surprised to find myself thinking to maybe let it lapse this time.

#4170 jtremlett

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 19:24

I complained fairly mildly to a very helpful subscription person at the magazine, she occasionally posted on this thread back then, a few years ago about the constant stream of freebies to new subscribers. I pointed out that it was unfair on people like me who'd been subscribing without a break for years. I was assured that similar deals were in the offing for long-term subscribers, but around five years later, not a sausage for any of us, and we don't even get a slightly preferential subscription rate.

That seems strange! Each time I have renewed my subscription over the last few years I get a "free" gift. Thus I have three of the CD archives on my shelf from my last three renewals. I think last time the reminder offered me an umbrella or some such but I rang the subscription line and the nice lady said yes she could do me one of the CD archives instead and indeed supplied the one of my choice.

Jonathan

Edited by jtremlett, 29 January 2013 - 19:26.


#4171 kayemod

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 19:29

That seems strange! Each time I have renewed my subscription over the last few years I get a "free" gift. Thus I have three of the CD archives on my shelf from my last three renewals. I think last time the reminder offered me an umbrella or some such but I rang the subscription line and the nice lady said yes she could do me one of the CD archives instead and indeed supplied the one of my choice.

Jonathan


No, I've been a subscriber for about twelve years, and nothing at all, other than a dire Peter Ustinov 'humour' CD, GP of Gibraltar or something, monumentally unfunny. I offered it free on here, nobody else wanted it either.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 19:46

Roger,

I'm glad you still like it enough to renew. ... . your condescending 'shut up if you have any criticisms' subtext is uncouth and ill-befitting of a man your age, or any age. I have read all but the last 20 or 30 pages of this thread and see no reason why one more subjective opinion should not be added. Quite why you put emphasis on the magazine being open to direct suggestions, as if my (or any?) opinions should be sent to them instead of posted here (what makes you think I haven't already done so?) in the, ahem, MS thread, I know not. Please enlighten me. You will be well aware as a subscriber that I, also being a subscriber, have plenty of feedback opportunities via the regular readers' questionnaires, but that doesn't preclude me airing my views elsewhere (eg here) too, does it? Of course I'm well aware the MS staff will be doing all they can to put out a mag that sells (but bear in mind that the best selling mags are 'Hello' and 'OK' type tosh, so be careful not to make sales the main thrust of any argument - unless you're willing to argue that the makers of X Factor produce the best TV in the business.) Perhaps, with an increasingly illiterate and poorly-educated society, the mag has no option but to take the glossy, shiny route - if that's where the subscribers are, then follow them there. Right?

All the best, Rob


Rob, many thanks for your considered reply. However, how you consider it might differ from how I might consider it. I would not normally dignify such a reply with the grace of a response, but in my dotage I am becoming more generous and genial of disposition. Nonetheless, my basic character remains unchanged and so I can assure you that, as a fully paid up member of the WYSIWYG club, I do not "do" condescending, just as I have no time for subtext. I shall ignore your allegation of my words being "uncouth and ill-fitting".

I must be misunderstanding something in my text since I can see no condescending tone. In fact, if, as you assert, you have read the larger part of this thread you will be aware of my previous constructive censure, but also support, of MS in its travails in recent years. In terms of proscribing any criticism, I thought my comments expressed the very opposite, but channelled in the right place, and in the right manner. My calls to the Ed staff are always warmly received and heard, as I believe, are those of others who extend that courtesy to the staff. Whilst some of the MS people lurk around TNF and are aware of the various comments, to rely on random carping views expressed here having any real weight with Editorial decisions takes optimism to new heights; in my opinion, of course.

When others have raised queries here about the nature or extent of content, I have sometimes made the point then that I felt I had made earlier, namely that it is all matter of personal preference, mindful of the publisher's policy and target demographic, which, I can assure you, does not appear to be a desperate grab for those whom you denigrate as "an increasingly illiterate and poorly-educated society". It is clear, to the chagrin of many, some or many of the target readership is clearly at the upper end of the disposable income band.

However, I do not see where I have said that sales numbers were the goal, merely that the publication is a commercial operation and needs to do better than simply " wash its face", especially after the large sums which were pumped into it in the earlier, post-Haymarket period. Other old car magazines have a similar philosophy. The likelihood of any of them hitting the legendary 100,000 sold copies per month from MS's halcyon days is, I fear, remote.

Whilst subjective views are always welcome almost anywhere in life, they remain just that, a personal opinion, which may not sit easily with others, hence my comment about subscription renewal being a choice each subscriber must make.

Re your remark about your input into the the readers' questionnaires being a meaningful contribution, I see little real merit in them, other than for basic guidance, since such devices reflect the voters who vote, rather than the full readership, quod vide X Factor, I'm a Celebrity, Strictly, General Elections, the Welsh Devolution vote, and perhaps more pertinently, something like the J D Power car surveys.

As I have said before, it is all, always, a matter of personal preference, and you have the choice.

As a "Parting Shot" , in line with your original contribution, if you trouble to put the case forward for a major series on 1970s/1980s rallying, you will be leaning on an open door, as well as ploughing a rich seam, here, as there is a good assemblage of former competitors and rally history experts in this place. Singling no one out specifically..... I will mention Fred Gallagher, of whom you will no doubt know much, who contributes here regularly and is a good friend of TNF and its activities.

I trust you can take this reply in the spirit in which it is intended
Roger Lund

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 20:18

Hello Roger,

I do not "do" condescending, just as I have no time for subtext...I must be misunderstanding something in my text since I can see no condescending tone.

Whilst subjective views are always welcome almost anywhere in life, they remain just that, a personal opinion, which may not sit easily with others, hence my comment about subscription renewal being a choice each subscriber must make.


If you are unable to see how the bolded part of the second line sits very incongruously with the first, then I'm very able to suggest a few good dictionaries. You might not think you 'do' it, but you've provided a textbook example. Or do you really, honestly, think it necessary to shout 'it's your choice, don't buy it if you don't like it' when discussing products available in a free market, as if anyone anywhere over the age of four would be unaware of their freedom to spend their own money how they like? (Apologies, though, if you're a recent immigrant from North Korea or Cuba, in that case I can understand how the novelty of the idea might have led you into making such pronouncements.) Not only condescending (whether you realise it or not), but also a straw man, as I was not soliciting opinions as to 'what should I do?', merely stating my opinion on the mag as it currently is on a forum thread where lots of other people have already done likewise. And on the subject of straw men:

MS people lurk around TNF and are aware of the various comments, to rely on random carping views expressed here having any real weight with Editorial decisions takes optimism to new heights; in my opinion, of course.


You appear to be implying that I made a post in order to try and influence editorial policy. Nice try at second-guessing my motives, but bad luck. No banana. If I wanted to influence them (if I thought it possible) I'd contact them directly, as I'm sure you would. Common sense, no? That you seem to be telling me I'm stupid enough to be trying to influence them via a posting on this thread smacks not a little of, ahem, patronising condescension...

It is clear, to the chagrin of many, some or many of the target readership is clearly at the upper end of the disposable income band.


Not sure if this is a straw man or not. Because I'm not sure what point of mine it's supposed to refer or relate to. Did it just come out? If you can expand on its relevancy, then please do.


As for the rest of your post, thanks.

Rob



con·de·scend (knd-snd) intr.v. con·de·scend·ed, con·de·scend·ing, con·de·scends
1. To deal with people in a patronizingly superior manner.

Edited by tokyonagaremono, 29 January 2013 - 20:36.


#4174 Doug Nye

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 21:22

This place's 'fluff-free' Historical Research section looks quite attractive at the moment...

DCN

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 23:22

This place's 'fluff-free' Historical Research section looks quite attractive at the moment...

DCN


Indeed.

I know that DCN and I are both immensly proud of our respective time spent working for the magazine in question.

Therefore it's an unpleasant experience to witness the bickering herewith.

To be blunt, the magazine shouldn't even exist now! So, be grateful that it does...

Thread temporarily closed.

A decision made by a former MS picture editor.