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#1 Gwynston

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 15:20

It's not impossible for the following to happen:

1) Massa may not fully recover enough to return to F1 (I hope he does though)
2) Rubens could retire - he's not getting on too well with Brawn. What are the chances of getting a drive elsewhere?
3) Nelsinho's out of a drive at the moment, although there are rumours of a deal between Piquet Snr. and Peter Sauber

When was the last F1 season with no Brazilian on the grid?


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#2 Owen

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 15:29

It's not impossible for the following to happen:

1) Massa may not fully recover enough to return to F1 (I hope he does though)
2) Rubens could retire - he's not getting on too well with Brawn. What are the chances of getting a drive elsewhere?
3) Nelsinho's out of a drive at the moment, although there are rumours of a deal between Piquet Snr. and Peter Sauber

When was the last F1 season with no Brazilian on the grid?

Don't know but it doesn't keep me awake at nights.

#3 Taxi

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 16:11

Felipe Massa will be there.

#4 Gwynston

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 16:15

Felipe Massa will be there.

Let's hope so!

I suppose with Piquet and Massa out at the moment, if anything were to keep Rubens out of a race, it would be the first GP not to feature a Brazilian for decades.

I tried working back and got to Emerson Fittipaldi, and still couldn't think of a race with no Brazilian.....

#5 highdownforce

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 16:20

When was the last F1 season with no Brazilian on the grid?


IIRC, from 1960 to 1969.
And the last season with only one Brazilian in F1 was 1971, with Emerson Fittipaldi (2xWDC).

#6 nainz

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 16:49

There is a thing about nationality politics in F1 at the moment with regards to tv revenues and stuff. At the moment, good or bad I think you're virtually guaranteed to have at least one Brazilian, British, German, Japanese and Italian driver on the grid at any one time.

If Massa, Piquet and Barrichello aren't on the grid I'll bet you anything you like that Di Grassi or Senna are given a seat. Same as if Fisichella or Trulli goes next season I bet Pantano will turn up somewhere.

#7 speedmaster

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 17:09

F1 is the second most followed sport in Brazil... and there isn't a chance that F1 will not be there, not only because of the public interest but also for the sponsors.

Relax and enjoy...

Cheers :wave:

#8 Taxi

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 17:22

Let's hope so!

I suppose with Piquet and Massa out at the moment, if anything were to keep Rubens out of a race, it would be the first GP not to feature a Brazilian for decades.

I tried working back and got to Emerson Fittipaldi, and still couldn't think of a race with no Brazilian.....


Yep, Brasil is one of the most traditional countries in the sport, along UK and Italy. Very good considering the snakes on the streets and all.

#9 Coral

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 20:18

Lewis is actually very popular in Brazil. I don't see there being no Brazilian GP next year, and I'm confident that Massa will be back anyway, as well as Bruno Senna (hopefully)! :)

#10 Atreiu

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 20:21

Senna to Brawn MUST happen.
Barrichello's feedback can't be worth that much. And he ain't getting younger.

#11 stevewf1

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 21:02

IIRC, from 1960 to 1969.


That's what I came up with, too.

Also none in 1954 and 1957-59.


#12 highdownforce

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 21:17

That's what I came up with, too.

Also none in 1954 and 1957-59.


Also in 1957, there was Herbert MacKay-Fraser with one single race (DNFed) who had american nationality but was born at Pernambuco State.
And in 1959 there was Frederico José Carlos Themudo d’Orey (Fritz d’Orey).

#13 Juan Kerr

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 21:47

Bruno Senna & Felipe Massa that's two Brazillians.

#14 Bumper

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 22:13

Thread edited.

.......................aaaaaaand back on topic.

I know, it's not as much fun. Still, give it a try.

#15 undersquare

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 22:16

.......................aaaaaaand back on topic.

I know, it's not as much fun. Still, give it a try.


:lol: Class :up:

:wave:

#16 highdownforce

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 14:07

Thread edited.

.......................aaaaaaand back on topic.

I know, it's not as much fun. Still, give it a try.


Thanks for that!
I wasn't able to read other posts after my last one but I guess it was nothing to die for.

Sorry for going off topic.

Edited by highdownforce, 05 August 2009 - 14:09.


#17 Atreiu

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 14:23

About brazilians on the grid, this night I dreamt with F1. I was on the second row of the grid for the Singapore GP. The first row had Barrichello and Webber and the second Vettel and me. It was pissing with rain, Barrichello spun off on the warmup lap and so did Vettel. The race was started but then cancelled after conditions got even worse during the first lap when I was in the lead.

:/

#18 highdownforce

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 14:41

About brazilians on the grid, this night I dreamt with F1. I was on the second row of the grid for the Singapore GP. The first row had Barrichello and Webber and the second Vettel and me. It was pissing with rain, Barrichello spun off on the warmup lap and so did Vettel. The race was started but then cancelled after conditions got even worse during the first lap when I was in the lead.

:/


Should we call this one a wet dream?

#19 HP

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 14:51

F1 is the second most followed sport in Brazil... and there isn't a chance that F1 will not be there, not only because of the public interest but also for the sponsors.

Relax and enjoy...

Cheers :wave:


As long as the driver is good, I don't care. Having said that, besides the obvious Bruno Senna, who else is there that could make it into F1, in the next 2 to 3 years?

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#20 UPRC

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 14:53

I don't think any of them will be leaving.

Massa? I think (and certainly hope) that he'll be good to go by March of next year.
Piquet? Another mismanaged Renault driver, no big deal. He still deserves a shot elsewhere.
Barrichello? I think he'll go the way of Fisichella. Back down the grid, though this would be his second trip back.

#21 Rafo

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 15:15

As long as the driver is good, I don't care. Having said that, besides the obvious Bruno Senna, who else is there that could make it into F1, in the next 2 to 3 years?



Not much, probably DiGrassi has the biggest chances. Here is a list of the current Brazilians on GP2 and F2 series:


Lucas di Grassi (1984)
2008: GP2 Series - 3rd // 3rd Driver ING Renault F1 Team
2007: GP2 Series - Vice Champion
2006: GP2 Series -17th
2005: Formula 3 Euro Series -3rd
2004: British Formula 3 -8th // Macau Grand Prix -3rd
2003: Formula 3
2002: Formula Renault
1997-2000: Karting


Alberto Valerio (1985)
2009: GP2 Asia Series
2008: GP2 Asia Series - 19th // GP2 Series - 26th
2007: Formula Renault 3.5 World Series // British Formula 3 - 8th // Masters of F3 - 29th
2006: World Series by Renault 3.5 // British Formula 3 - 11th
2005: South American Formula 3 - Champion // Brazilian Formula Renault - 15th
2004: South American Formula 3 - 6th // Brazilian Formula Renault
2003: South American Formula 3 - 18th
1996-2002: Karting


Diego Nunes (1986)
2009: GP2 Asia Series - 8th
2008: GP2 Asia Series - 20th // GP2 Series - 22nd
2007: Euroseries 3000 - 2nd
2006: Euroseries 3000 - 15th // South American Formula 3 - 3rd
2005: Brazilian Formula Renault // South American Formula 3 - 4th
2004: Brazilian Formula Renault - 9th
2003: Brazilian Formula Renault
2001-2002: Karting


Carlos Iaconelli (1987)
2009: FIA Formula Two Championship
2008: GP2 Series // GP2 Asia Series // Formula Master Italia
2007: Formula Renault 3.5 21st
2006: Formula Renault 3.5 // Formula 3 Spain


Luiz Razia (1989)
2009: GP2 Asia Series - 13th
2008: Italian Formula 3000 - 4th // Euroseries 3000 - 3rd
2007: World Series by Renault - NC // Italian Formula 3000 - 4th // Euroseries 3000 - 3rd
2006: F3000 International Masters -8th // South American Formula 3 - 1st
2005: Brazilian Formula Renault 2.0 - 10th // South American Formula 3 - 6th

#22 highdownforce

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 15:46

[...]Here is a list of the current Brazilians on GP2 and F2 series:

Lucas di Grassi (1984)
[...]

Alberto Valerio (1985)
[...]

Diego Nunes (1986)
[...]

Carlos Iaconelli (1987)
[...]

Luiz Razia (1989)
[...]


I also remember:

Raphael Matos (Indycar)
Adriano Buzaid (British Formula Three)
Felipe Guimarães (Indy Lights)


But I'd say that of those above only Di Grassi has a real chance.

Edited by highdownforce, 05 August 2009 - 15:58.