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#1 saudoso

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 00:30

The old thread was closed, so here go the news:

http://blog.estadao.com.br/blog/livio/ (portuguese)

Massa has no neurological trauma what so ever and there won't be another surgery to fix his left eye orbit, it is OK. Bone trauma is healing quickly. Gerard Saillant Should check him after Mmonza and he could be back in the car by Japanese GP.


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#2 Brawn BGP 001

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 00:32

Why is he so desperate to get back this season?

Just wait 'till 2010 then he willl have more of a recovery?

Edited by Brawn BGP 001, 10 August 2009 - 00:34.


#3 saudoso

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 00:34

Why is he so desperate to get back this season?

Just wait 'till 2010.


If he wasn't he'd better retire.

Edited by saudoso, 10 August 2009 - 00:35.


#4 VicR

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 00:36

Good news! He will be back faster than that. He's a fighter. He lives for the chance to drive that car.

#5 Alonzo

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 00:42

No, I wanna see Michael racing in Suzuka! ):

I hope he only be ready to race again in the date of the brazilian GP.

#6 Henrytheeigth

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 00:44

Me too! Massa can retire afaic...

#7 Mauseri

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 00:53

No, I wanna see Michael racing in Suzuka! ):

I don't care as long as we see Kimi vs. Schumacher in Spa. Valencia can be the training round but Spa is the real test. Monza or Brazil would be a nice place for Massa comeback. Or why hurry as there is nothing to win really...

#8 Brawn BGP 001

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 00:55

I don't care as long as we see Kimi vs. Schumacher in Spa. Valencia can be the training round but Spa is the real test. Monza or Brazil would be a nice place for Massa comeback. Or why hurry as there is nothing to win really...

This is what I am thinking, I would understand if he had a 30 point lead in the championship, but he doesn't.

#9 Seanspeed

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 01:02

Good news. :up:

#10 Tolyngee

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 01:03

I don't care as long as we see Kimi vs. Schumacher in Spa. Valencia can be the training round but Spa is the real test. Monza or Brazil would be a nice place for Massa comeback. Or why hurry as there is nothing to win really...


I bet he wants to race at home...

I bet if he returned there people would just say he's just endangering himself and just returning for the home crowd, saving Brazil's ticket sales, like Alonso and Valencia...

No reason to return after that, only one race left, why bother?

But three races left, and one to make sure he's fine for Brazil, etc., maybe I can see it...

Only gives four races for MS's experiment, though... Not enough time to scratch an itch, but probably enough time to make the itch grow, actually...


I just hope Massa's doing the right thing... If he goes out and gets injured, there will be a lot of questions...

#11 Brawn BGP 001

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 01:06

Good news. :up:

:up:

Not really a fan of his, but I think he is a good driver and I wish him well.

Edited by Brawn BGP 001, 10 August 2009 - 01:06.


#12 tifosi

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 01:29

Why is he so desperate to get back this season?

Just wait 'till 2010 then he willl have more of a recovery?



Or 2011, or 2012, or 2013.........

Ih he's healed and ready he's healed and ready.


#13 tifosi

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 01:30

Or why hurry as there is nothing to win really...


You have no earthly idea what it means to be a competitor do you?



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Posted 10 August 2009 - 01:55

Why is he so desperate to get back this season?

Just wait 'till 2010 then he willl have more of a recovery?


He's a racer, for Christ sake.
Do you think he likes stepping aside and watching the others from his TV?
Not to mention all silly season and possible implications.

#15 craftverk

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 02:27

I don't care as long as we see Kimi vs. Schumacher in Spa. Valencia can be the training round but Spa is the real test. Monza or Brazil would be a nice place for Massa comeback. Or why hurry as there is nothing to win really...

I doubt Schumi's neck will last in race conditions at Spa.... no real test by any means, Schumi's just filling in that's all

what kind of logic is that... of course he has many things to win, race victories are not out of reach, and with Brazil coming up why should he not come back as soon as possible? Physically and mentally getting back to racing is nothing but beneficial

#16 Conny_Mary

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 04:58

Good!But I prefer Brazil!I still remember what happend at Suzuka in 2006.

#17 pacwest

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 05:38

He's a changed man, that's all I can add.

#18 turin

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 05:48

The old thread was closed, so here go the news:

http://blog.estadao.com.br/blog/livio/ (portuguese)

Massa has no neurological trauma what so ever and there won't be another surgery to fix his left eye orbit, it is OK. Bone trauma is healing quickly. Gerard Saillant Should check him after Mmonza and he could be back in the car by Japanese GP.


I think that if you are going to submit this as news for the non-Portuguese speaking community, you should also say that the author of the blog post you are quoting ends it saying that Felipe coming back by Suzuka it's "his bet".

I wish Massa a speedy recovery, but at the moment his date of come back remains uncertain

#19 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:21

Or 2011, or 2012, or 2013.........

Ih he's healed and ready he's healed and ready.



Racing drivers are terrible doctors though.

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#20 Schumacher Forever

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:29

Dissapointing if true, I would have preferred to see Schumacher race at least until the end of the season. Maybe next year Ferrari could field three cars so Massa can drive too? Massa should look after his health and not talk about driving at this point anyway.

#21 pRy

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 07:36

Ih he's healed and ready he's healed and ready.


Not with brain injuries. An injury to a leg? yes.. but with the brain they have to be cautious. The driver could be jumping up and down shouting "let me drive" but he may not be 100% in the brain department.. and if he were to then have another crash that results in head injury, it could be much worse. He just needs time.

#22 mountford

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 08:02

The soon the better tbf

#23 potmotr

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 08:14

I think Massa should (and I reckon will) take his time and not return until 2010.

He's got nothing to gain by coming back early.







#24 Rinehart

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 08:55

I'm glad the old thread was locked as there were too many abulance chasers spoiling it.

Its completely obvious that Massa has been lucky and has got a way with it. All reports from FAMILY, MEDICS and FERRARI have said that there is NO NEUROLOGICAL DAMAGE and he will race again. I'm aware that there have been instances in the past where the extent of injuries to drivers have been kept from the media. But I think Massas interview blows that theory to dust.

Obviously there will now be lots of guestimates as to exactly when his return will be and unfortunately until such time as he actually does race again, the doomsayers and wannabe docs will be free to offer more pessemistic scenarios to chew over.

My 'bet' is he will definately start next season.

#25 potmotr

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 09:07

I think there's little doubt Felipe will start an F1 race again once he's recovered.

Only then will we know if he's the same driver or different.

The two drivers who returned from major head injuries in the recent past had vastly different experiences.

Mika Hakkinen was as good as ever after recovering from Adelaide 1995.

But Karl Wendlinger never looked anywhere near as good as he'd been before his accident at Monaco in 1994.

Here's hoping Felipe follows the former path rather than the latter.

#26 hobbes

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 09:45

Dissapointing if true, I would have preferred to see Schumacher race at least until the end of the season. Maybe next year Ferrari could field three cars so Massa can drive too? Massa should look after his health and not talk about driving at this point anyway.



"Maybe next year could field three cars so MS can drive too" sounds more appropriate ;)

Even though the prospect of MS racing once again is very exciting, it is Massa's seat and he will be back once he is ready.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 09:51

so my gamble to buy monza tickects paid off? :D Schumi, see you there :D

#28 Henrik B

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 09:52

The old thread was closed, so here go the news:

http://blog.estadao.com.br/blog/livio/ (portuguese)

Massa has no neurological trauma what so ever and there won't be another surgery to fix his left eye orbit, it is OK. Bone trauma is healing quickly. Gerard Saillant Should check him after Mmonza and he could be back in the car by Japanese GP.


I don't want to rain on anyones parade here, but it's a blog - by whom, and what information can he be in possession of? Does he cite any sources, or is it what he thinks based on already published news? I do not read portuguese at all.

As said, there's too much damn rumours here, and hard to tell real news from rehashed and rewritten news.

#29 potmotr

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 09:55

so my gamble to buy monza tickects paid off? :D Schumi, see you there :D


I've taken the same gamble!

Actually, a weekend at Monza is awesome no matter who is driving.

But will be interesting to see the Schufosi in full force.

#30 wdh

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 09:57

I think that if you are going to submit this as news for the non-Portuguese speaking community, you should also say that the author of the blog post you are quoting ends it saying that Felipe coming back by Suzuka it's "his bet".

I wish Massa a speedy recovery, but at the moment his date of come back remains uncertain


Thank you for injecting some sense.
I think we all wish him a complete recovery and without any more delay than medically necessary.


Now, who is this blogger, and why should we give him any more credence than any random fanboy poster on here?
Or is there something magical about speculating in Portuguese?

#31 tifosi

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 10:03

Racing drivers are terrible doctors though.


So are internet BB posters :wave:


#32 saudoso

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 11:40

I don't want to rain on anyones parade here, but it's a blog - by whom, and what information can he be in possession of? Does he cite any sources, or is it what he thinks based on already published news? I do not read portuguese at all.

As said, there's too much damn rumours here, and hard to tell real news from rehashed and rewritten news.



The 'blogger' is the specialist F1 journo for one of the top 3 BR news papers. The blog publishes his printed articles, being this one his monday piece.

Sorry those who are offended, I'm sorry, I won't post any more portuguese links.

Edited by saudoso, 10 August 2009 - 11:43.


#33 Henrik B

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 12:00

The 'blogger' is the specialist F1 journo for one of the top 3 BR news papers. The blog publishes his printed articles, being this one his monday piece.

Sorry those who are offended, I'm sorry, I won't post any more portuguese links.


I'm not at all offended, I was just trying to clear up a) if this is any random person and b) does he have any information or is he speculating? Finding reports from non-english media is one of the great things about this place, so you should absolutely not stop, I don't think anyone thinks that.

I'm still a bit confused by b) though, since it's a blog post and not a "proper article" - a new statement or new information would surely call for a proper article? Blog posts are useful, but it's most often opinion pieces, and not "real news". If it was a english article I could form my own opinion on how reliable it seems, but since it's not I have to ask.

You know how it can be, brazilian media say something, italian media reports that "brazilian media says that..." and when it reaches britain its "Reports from brazil and italy indicate that...", giving the impression that there are TWO sources when it in reality is a single source. That's why I'm asking if its NEW information, based on NEW interviews.

Edited by Henrik Brodin, 10 August 2009 - 12:03.


#34 saudoso

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 12:05

I'm not at all offended, I was just trying to clear up a) if this is any random person and b) does he have any information or is he speculating? Finding reports from non-english media is one of the great things about this place, so you should absolutely not stop, I don't think anyone thinks that.

I'm still a bit confused by b) though, since it's a blog post and not a "proper article" - a new statement or new information would surely call for a proper article? Blog posts are useful, but it's most often opinion pieces, and not "real news". If it was a english article I could form my own opinion on how reliable it seems, but since it's not I have to ask.


Amigos, esse é o texto da minha coluna nesta segunda-feira no JT


This means "Friends this is the text for my monday's piece on JT". JT being a printed news paper. Livio is a well know and respected F1 journo, decades on the business.


#35 FrankB

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 12:16

This is what I am thinking, I would understand if he had a 30 point lead in the championship, but he doesn't.



You could ask why do any of the drivers, not just those recovering from a serious injury, want to race in the second half of the season when they have no chance of winning the championship?

It could be that for the drivers, unlike some fans, competing in and winning races is more important (or at least as important) as winning the championship.

#36 slideways

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 12:23

STR was supposed to be sold after this season in the original plans. Maybe Ferrari can buy it and run Kimi, Felipe, Michael and Fernando. :drunk:

Reality check here - Massa will be back in the car as soon as he is well enough. Ferrari won't bench him for Schumi.

#37 DarthWillie

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 12:25

You could ask why do any of the drivers, not just those recovering from a serious injury, want to race in the second half of the season when they have no chance of winning the championship?

It could be that for the drivers, unlike some fans, competing in and winning races is more important (or at least as important) as winning the championship.

This might sound harsh, but I think Ferrari would like to know if Massa is still on top of it, in case they have to find a replacement for 2010, so him racing in 2009 would be a good test. Until he drives again no one is going to be sure. I really hope he returns ok by the way.

#38 madraykin

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 12:28

Google translation says:

The most common question among those who follow the Formula 1 is: when Felipe Massa will take over the cockpit of Ferrari? Outside Brazil the theme is also strong, but generates less interest due to the return of Michael Schumacher is what draws the attention now.

To be quite objective: it will not take so long for this mass return to the track. The fact no need to pass a new surgery for fixing the fracture of the left eye orbit, as Dr. Dino Altman said, will help reduce the recovery time.

Massa had no neurological injuries, the most important. The question bone progresses well, the point of not require further intervention. His vision had no involvement. More: motor and cognitive tests performed even in the period of hospitalization, in Budapest, indicate that their functions are preserved. All this led almost immediately to hospital again in São Paulo.

It makes sense to believe that after the GP of Italy, on September 13, Massa pass by FIA neuropsychological test, coordinated by the French doctor Gerard Saillant, in the Hungarian Military Hospital from Altman. And, before the pilot's been very good today, it is expected that in a month the conditions are even better.

The next step will be to the Monza GP Singapore, September 27, but is testimony night. Maybe not the most suitable for the return. But in the Japanese GP in Suzuka, a week later, on October 4, do not hesitate to believe that mass is in the grid, one of his favorite circuits, Suzuka. It would be surprising if the accident to the GP of Hungary changed its excellent time as pilot.

Thus, mass should be present in the GP of Brazil, October 18, has contested a race after the return. This is my bet.


So it would seem that this is pure speculation.

#39 Henrik B

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 12:55

This means "Friends this is the text for my monday's piece on JT". JT being a printed news paper. Livio is a well know and respected F1 journo, decades on the business.


Thank you! Such information makes it much clearer for us.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 13:14

Bloody hell, the old bloke hasn't even turned a wheel in the F60 and people have already got him 'stitching' up Felipe's seat.

Just wait to see how far the Alzheimer's has gone before you stick him in for 2010.

#41 Slartibartfast

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 13:22

Racing drivers are terrible doctors though.


Even Jonathan Palmer?

#42 tifosi

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 13:49

Bloody hell, the old bloke hasn't even turned a wheel in the F60 and people have already got him 'stitching' up Felipe's seat.

Just wait to see how far the Alzheimer's has gone before you stick him in for 2010.



Lets hope for the best. A bit of rain and he puts it into the wall on the warm-up lap. Didn't he do that in Monte Carlo one year?

That would be hilarious!



#43 Alonzo

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 14:00

I don't care as long as we see Kimi vs. Schumacher in Spa. Valencia can be the training round but Spa is the real test. Monza or Brazil would be a nice place for Massa comeback. Or why hurry as there is nothing to win really...

Well, this Spa duel will be something that will really catch people's attention. Schumacher won 7 or 6 times, Kimi is considered, by some, the "King of Spa", since he won there several times with Michael still racing and last year after Barcelona, it was only in Spa that Kimi showed speed against Massa.

Belgium GP weekend will heat up the discussion: who is better in Spa, Michael or Kimi?

Anyway, for me, the track isn't that spetacular anymore. The turns are easier, now the driver has less effect on Spa lap time compared to some years ago. That's why I wanna see Michael against Kimi in Suzuka, only 130R was changed and got easier, the other corners are intact.

#44 Yellowmc

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 14:42

Massa is a racer, the only thing holding him back are the doctors.

When he is ready, MS will step out of the car, they are close friends.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 14:48

Lets hope for the best. A bit of rain and he puts it into the wall on the warm-up lap. Didn't he do that in Monte Carlo one year?

That would be hilarious!

It was the opening lap 1 I think.

#46 ZZMS

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 15:29

Lets hope for the best. A bit of rain and he puts it into the wall on the warm-up lap. Didn't he do that in Monte Carlo one year?

That would be hilarious!



"Let's see a Ferrari binned!"

on hell of a tifosi you are.... :eek: :eek: :rolleyes: :down:

#47 tifosi

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 15:34

"Let's see a Ferrari binned!"

on hell of a tifosi you are.... :eek: :eek: :rolleyes: :down:



HaHaHa

Don't take things so seriously man. Try to enjoy your weekend. :wave:


#48 ZZMS

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 15:59

HaHaHa

Don't take things so seriously man. Try to enjoy your weekend. :wave:



Thanks, I was :) Back to work though...

#49 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 16:15

So are internet BB posters :wave:

Even the doctors?

#50 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 16:16

Try to enjoy your weekend. :wave:

On Monday?