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#1 Turbo4

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:37

I just wanted to start a thread wishing Luca all the luck in the world in Valencia. :)

He's been a tireless worker for the Scuderia and fully deserves his chance to have a few moments in the spotlight regardless of the circumstance.

Do Ferrari fans proud Luca, you should have got a shot at it 10 years ago.

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#2 Hacklerf

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:38

He deserves to race after all his effort after so many years, it is a shame Schumacher cannot race, but Luca will have many well wishes

#3 jimjimjeroo

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:41

:up: :up: :up:

Over looked for too long!! :cool:

#4 FlatOverCrest

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:43

"In agreement with Stefano Domenicali, we have therefore decided to give Luca Badoer the chance to race for the Scuderia after he has put in so many years of hard work as a test driver."

The 38-year-old Italian has been a Ferrari test driver since 1998 and last raced in 1999, for Minardi.


Well at least he is youngr than Schumi! ;)

Best of luck to him.... Heavy Fuel...one stop strategy...go on Luca..... you know it makes sense...;)

#5 potmotr

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:47

He deserves to race after all his effort after so many years, it is a shame Schumacher cannot race, but Luca will have many well wishes


I think Badoer will embarass himself.

He's 38, hasn't raced in any series for a decade.

There must have been a very good reason why Ferari didn't put him in at Ferrari in 1999 to replace Schumacher.

What's changed in ten years? He certainly won't have become quicker.

#6 Turbo4

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:48

This isn't a thread to attack him, this is a thread to support him.

Have a bit of class potmotr. :rolleyes:

#7 pRy

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:48

Yes it's strange considering Gene has recent racing experience with Le Mans. Perhaps they'll give him Valencia and then evaluate.

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:49

Good luck to him. :up:

#9 kar

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:50

Well if anyone has earned a race it's Luca!

#10 potmotr

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:50

This isn't a thread to attack him, this is a thread to support him.

Have a bit of class potmotr. :rolleyes:


Whatever dude. :rolleyes:

Why should we automatically support what, in my opinion, is a pretty bad decision.

Is this not a thread for debate?

#11 pingu666

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:50

ferrari didnt let italians drive for along long time, who was the last one, i remmber he had a title shot and was a nice guy, the insane pressure got to him..

#12 Victor_RO

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:52

ferrari didnt let italians drive for along long time, who was the last one, i remmber he had a title shot and was a nice guy, the insane pressure got to him..


Alboreto in '85.


Anyway, good luck to Luca, he will need a lot of it.

Edited by Victor_RO, 11 August 2009 - 08:52.


#13 potmotr

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:53

Yes it's strange considering Gene has recent racing experience with Le Mans. Perhaps they'll give him Valencia and then evaluate.


Exactly. And even Gene wasn't that great for Williams back in 2004.

Didn't Niki Lauda say it best the other week:

"Who else is he going to ring? The test drivers are useless, and there is nobody else here if you think about it."

http://www.guardian....da-felipe-massa

#14 Ramses1348

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:54

Alboreto in '85.


Anyway, good luck to Luca, he will need a lot of it.


Ivan capelli raced in 93...

#15 wj_gibson

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:54

Nothing against Badoer, but he'll be doing very well to get out of Q3, never mind Q2, and he'll surely have to be put on an ultra-long one-stopper simply to keep him out of having to race anyone (he hasn't attempted to make an overtaking move in 10 years).

I know he was sacked by a tail-end team, but at least Bourdais has experience of racing in F1 in the recent past.

#16 potmotr

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:55

Ivan capelli raced in 93...


He raced in 1992.

Nicola Larini was the last Italian to drive for Ferrari, at the end of 92 and again in 94 when Alesi hurt his neck.

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:57

There must have been a very good reason why Ferari didn't put him in at Ferrari in 1999 to replace Schumacher.


Wasn't he busy racing for Minardi at the time?

Luca might get to score his first F1 point :)

#18 Turbo4

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:57

Whatever dude. :rolleyes:

Why should we automatically support what, in my opinion, is a pretty bad decision.

Is this not a thread for debate?


Start a thread telling the world how shithouse the decision is then. :up:

#19 A.Fant

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 08:58

Last Italian to drive for Ferrari? Nicola Larini in the San Marino GP 1994, finished an impressive 2nd.

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#20 Victor_RO

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:01

I mentioned Alboreto because "a shot at the title for Ferrari" was mentioned, and Michele was the last Italian to drive a Ferrari and lead the WDC for a while. But yeah, Larini was the last Italian to drive for Ferrari so far.

#21 potmotr

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:01

Wasn't he busy racing for Minardi at the time?

Luca might get to score his first F1 point :)


Yes, but he was loaned to Minardi by Ferrari.

Badoer was devestated not to step in for Schumacher at the time.

He was 28 with quite a few years experience and was race fit.

Now he's 38, hasn't raced in any series for ten years.

It's a bad call. Just my opinion though...

#22 potmotr

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:02

Start a thread telling the world how shithouse the decision is then. :up:


Why can't we debate it here?

Or should we all follow your lead and only utter psalms from the book of St Luca Badoer?

Christ.

#23 FlatOverCrest

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:02

I really would not be surprised if Ferrari do in fact put him on a one stopper.... it's a slow circuit, hard to overtake.... perfect for a one stop! My bet is top 8 for Luca!!!!

#24 Pharazon

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:05

I really would not be surprised if Ferrari do in fact put him on a one stopper.... it's a slow circuit, hard to overtake.... perfect for a one stop! My bet is top 8 for Luca!!!!


sorry, but i just can't see Ferrari pulling an Enrique Benoldi under any circimstances


#25 Henrik B

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:06

Is there some record involved? Longest time between two races?

#26 potmotr

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:09

Is there some record involved? Longest time between two races?


Nope, Jan Lammers beats him by a few months.

His gap was between the French Grand Prix in 1982 (July 25, 1982) and the Japanese Grand Prix of 1992 (October 25, 1992).



#27 FlatOverCrest

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:09

sorry, but i just can't see Ferrari pulling an Enrique Benoldi under any circimstances


Will be fun to see! ;)

Anyone else think he will make the top 8?

#28 wj_gibson

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:09

I really would not be surprised if Ferrari do in fact put him on a one stopper.... it's a slow circuit, hard to overtake.... perfect for a one stop! My bet is top 8 for Luca!!!!


No it isn't. It's a fast circuit. The corners might be slow but it has the third-highest full-throttle percentage of any circuit on the calendar. A one-stopper is near-suicidal insofar as a points finish at Valencia goes - but I think it's the only way to guarantee that Badoer at least finishes the race. On a light load he'll be eaten alive by a field that knows he hasn't raced in years and will be unlikely to be able to effectively resist being overtaken.

#29 Turbo4

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:10

I just wanted to start a thread wishing Luca all the luck in the world in Valencia. :)

He's been a tireless worker for the Scuderia and fully deserves his chance to have a few moments in the spotlight regardless of the circumstance.

Do Ferrari fans proud Luca, you should have got a shot at it 10 years ago.


Pretty clear why the thread was started. I've seen other threads supporting a driver not turning to shit - the one after Webber's win was pretty unanimous.

alas, some of you who've become a bit jaded and lost your manners from too long on a forum can't help yourselves.

#30 ensign14

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:11

Badoer has the chance to get rid of an unwanted record - most Grands Prix without scoring a point.

He will easily beat the record of longest wait for the first point if he does score, which I think currently stands at 8 years (Peter Revson, from Monaco 1964 to South Africa 1972). Pretty sure Larini has the record for most races before scoring a point, with 45 (plus another 25 DNQs). Valencia will be Badoer's 49th start...

#31 potmotr

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:12

Pretty clear why the thread was started. I've seen other threads supporting a driver not turning to shit - the one after Webber's win was pretty unanimous.

alas, some of you who've become a bit jaded and lost your manners from too long on a forum can't help yourselves.


Yawn. You're boring. :rolleyes:

Starting a thread doesn't give you the right to dictate its contents.

Edited by potmotr, 11 August 2009 - 09:13.


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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:14

I think Badoer will embarass himself.

He's 38, hasn't raced in any series for a decade.

There must have been a very good reason why Ferari didn't put him in at Ferrari in 1999 to replace Schumacher.

What's changed in ten years? He certainly won't have become quicker.


He has a ton of experience in the car, and I doubt Ferrari would be putting him in if they didn't know he could qualify the car in a respectable position. I'd be surprised if he's more than 0.5 s off of Raikkonen's qualifying time. The guy has logged an obscene amount of time in an F1 car over the past decade - it isn't like they're plucking him out of retirement and sticking him in the car. Alex Wurz had raced once in 7 years before getting his Williams seat in 2007, and he certainly didn't embarass himself. Same for De la Rosa when he's gotten a chance for McLaren.

In the race, it might be a different story and I suspect he'll fall back a bit as it goes on, but I don't think he'll do anything to be ashamed of.

#33 JensonF1

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:15

Who gives a flying turd?

#34 Victor_RO

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:15

Badoer has the chance to get rid of an unwanted record - most Grands Prix without scoring a point.

He will easily beat the record of longest wait for the first point if he does score, which I think currently stands at 8 years (Peter Revson, from Monaco 1964 to South Africa 1972). Pretty sure Larini has the record for most races before scoring a point, with 45 (plus another 25 DNQs). Valencia will be Badoer's 49th start...


Also, he will be very close to Jan Lammers' record of "longest break between two consecutive GP starts".

#35 FlatOverCrest

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:17

No it isn't. It's a fast circuit. The corners might be slow but it has the third-highest full-throttle percentage of any circuit on the calendar. A one-stopper is near-suicidal insofar as a points finish at Valencia goes - but I think it's the only way to guarantee that Badoer at least finishes the race. On a light load he'll be eaten alive by a field that knows he hasn't raced in years and will be unlikely to be able to effectively resist being overtaken.


Er.....

Last year Kubica stopped once and took third spot on the podium....

I think Luca would take that form of suicide in a heartbeat!! ;)

Source:
http://www.formula1....op_summary.html

Edited by FlatOverCrest, 11 August 2009 - 09:18.


#36 potmotr

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:19

Alex Wurz had raced once in 7 years before getting his Williams seat in 2007, and he certainly didn't embarass himself.


You don't think so? He was blown away by Nico Rosberg then quit before the season ended citing a lack of motivation.

For a guy who had talked for years about wanting to return to race driving, that was highly embarrassing IMO.

Same for De la Rosa when he's gotten a chance for McLaren.


Not as bad as Wurz, but hardly a topline showing when he was at McLaren.

Was blown into the weeds by Raikkonen and recorded a string of fairly average finishes.

I'm not bashing Badoer as a driver, I think he'll do a respectable job. I just think he'll be average.

I was hoping Ferrari would find the best driver possible, and they had in Schumacher.

Now Schumacher isn't available I think it is a shame they've gone for someone who'll probably bring them points but probably won't be competiting for wins.


Edited by potmotr, 11 August 2009 - 09:20.


#37 Juan Kerr

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:21

Whatever dude. :rolleyes:

Why should we automatically support what, in my opinion, is a pretty bad decision.

Is this not a thread for debate?

Umm you missed his point, go and start another thread if you wanna get all negative.

#38 potmotr

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:23

Umm you missed his point, go and start another thread if you wanna get all negative.


I'm not bashing Badoer, I'm wanting to debate about whether he will do a good job.

In my opinon he won't.

Why is that bashing all of a sudden?



#39 FlatOverCrest

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:24

I'm not bashing Badoer, I'm wanting to debate about whether he will do a good job.
In my opinon he won't.
Why is that bashing all of a sudden?


Well then turning this thread back to a positive discussion.....

Where do you think he is going to finish Pot?

Edited by FlatOverCrest, 11 August 2009 - 09:25.


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#40 klyster

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:29

I was going to say something, but I don't know if it will be taken negatively, and I don't want to start a new thread......

#41 JensonF1

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:29

How can you be positive over Badoer replacing an injured Massa and an injured Schumacher.

Are you also positive about funerals too?

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:30

I was going to say something, but I don't know if it will be taken negatively, and I don't want to start a new thread......


:rotfl: :rotfl: :up: :lol:

#43 potmotr

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:30

So where do you think he is going to finish Pot?


Totally depends on how he goes in qualifying.

If he can unlock the tyres at the right moment I think he'll be able to just crack the top ten.

Don't forget, he will potentionally have the Brawns, Red Bulls, McLarens and Feranado Alonso's Renault ahead of him (if he is allowed to race).

So at Valencia, with a few crashes perhaps, I think he'll finish between 6 and 8.

If he qualifies poorly he'll be locked into his starting position, given that the track is nearly impossible to overtake on.

I reckon between 6th and 8th place in the other six races of the year for Luca, unless Ferrari make quite huge steps.

Best case scenario is a podium if we get a wet race in Japan or Singapore.

But look, I like a motorsports fairytale more than anyone, so I'll be more than happy to be proved wrong by Badoer.

#44 Ivan

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:31

- it isn't like they're plucking him out of retirement and sticking him in the car.

Actually, racing wise, yes it is. He hasn't raced in 10 YEARS. Gene just won Le Man. If Badoer had still been doing other racing I'd be really happy for him. But no one has raced him in ages! Yes, he should know the car better than anyone but that is about it really.

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:31

Yawn. You're boring. :rolleyes:

Starting a thread doesn't give you the right to dictate its contents.


I agree with Potmotr on this, a tread should be a place for discussion, nu censorship. I don't regard Badoer highly but I believe giving the short time-period he or Gene are their only valid options. both tested last year's ferrari car with 2009 downforce levels. (I could only find 1 day in november, did they drive on more days?)
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/72165

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:35

Badoer facts from autosport article:

• Despite having competed in 48 grands prix, Badoer never scored a point. His best finish was 7th in the 1993 San Marino Grand Prix.

• Badoer's failure to score a point gives him the distinction of being the driver with the most race starts who has not achieved that feat.

Sutil will be glad, Badoer eclipses his races/ no points finishes ratio! However 7th wouldve earned him 2 points in modern F1.

I stand to be corrected, but I think Bourdais wouldve done a better job but maybe it would jeapordise any ongoing legal wranglings with STR.

Is it too late for Fernando to stick it to Briatore and sign a mid season deal with Ferrari to then drive alongside Massa next year? With the Schumi pullout and Renault ban its the only way to keep everyone happy. Kimi v Alonso would be the next best thing.

#47 potmotr

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:35

Luca Badoer has been Michael Schumacher's karting partner for the past few weeks.

You can see him with Schumacher on this video, shot last Friday in Italy.

Reuters Video of Schumacher karting from Friday...

#48 Ivan

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:35

He should make it out of Q1. But it will be interesting to see what his Q2 will be like.

#49 FlatOverCrest

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:35

How can you be positive over Badoer replacing an injured Massa and an injured Schumacher.
Are you also positive about funerals too?


I mentioned the thread..nothing else...dont start your usual crap!

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 09:36

Also, he will be very close to Jan Lammers' record of "longest break between two consecutive GP starts".

Although Lammers was just short of Paddy Driver's record of "longest break between two consecutive GP appearances".