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#101 malbear

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:59

to hard as if I'm going to give ASIC my hard earned money for a search.

I guess that you are not a share buyer then.

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#102 malbear

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 20:09

they still havent paid

#103 onelung

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 10:24

They run a stockcar race here in Adelaide a bit like that too,,,,,, Clipsal

:rotfl: :wave: :rotfl: :wave: :rotfl:

#104 kento11

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 01:06

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#105 Sisyphus

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 20:23

kento11--What the devil are those yellow things slung around Jack's neck?

#106 GMACKIE

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 20:31

kento11--What the devil are those yellow things slung around Jack's neck?

An early form of 'arm restraint', maybe? :lol:


#107 wagons46

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 21:54


Just a yellow ribbon , part of the winners laurel wreath.


#108 Lola5000

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Posted 13 December 2011 - 01:43

kento11--What the devil are those yellow things slung around Jack's neck?

Phil Irvings rags from the overnight session of working on a Repco motor? :down:

#109 malbear

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 23:09

Phil Irvings rags from the overnight session of working on a Repco motor? :down:

I can report that I recieved similar treatment
http://web.archive.o...hamengines.com/
as you can see from this archive capture there is no mention of my name.
earlier they were actually calling it the "Jack Brabham Head "
as you follow each capture in the archive the content gradually dissapears until today ther is no content about head technology at all.
the prototypes mentioned did not ever belong to the company . the ducati 680 and the Yamaha are my personal property and the Ying ang 150 belongs to Larry Sun of Taiwan.
The "JBE Multi Fuel Engine" is a furfy as to my knowledge no prototype exists and the patent has lapsed as well as the trade mark
http://www.ipmonitor...ks/case/1392470 trademark
patent
They still have not paid any court costs

Edited by malbear, 18 December 2011 - 02:02.


#110 Wirra

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 05:11

For others like me who missed it, a download available here:

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'Australian Story' episode repeated on ABC TV tonight at 8.00pm

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#111 malbear

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 06:55

They still have not paid any court costs

#112 NeilR

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 00:20

Good luck with it Mal

#113 malbear

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 07:34

Good luck with it Mal

thanks Niel,
they still haven't paid any court costs

#114 xj13v12

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 08:41

thanks Niel,
they still haven't paid any court costs


Can you guys email each other because I don't think anyone else is interested.

#115 eldougo

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 00:01

Well said Mr L.......its soooooo yesterday. :up:

#116 Dale Harvey

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 06:40

Well said Mr L.......its soooooo yesterday. :up:


Seconded

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#117 austmcreg

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 07:07

I think most of us want to get this thread back to what Stephen (Cooper997) intended when he started it - celebrate the achievements of Australia's greatest racing driver.

Back in early 1960, when JB was newly crowned as World Champion driver for the first time, he brought one of the 1959 works Coopers to New Zealand and Australia; his only appearances in Australia were at Longford and Phillip Island, though the car stayed here and he returned for Bathurst in October. Longford marked the first time in Australian motor racing history that a world champion (let alone the current one) had raced in this country. So his appearances were a BIG DEAL, in a way we could not imagine now in a time when seeing the current F1 drivers happens every year.

These two photos are are bit worse for wear but show Jack in the Cooper at Longford in March 1960. If you notice something unusual about them, it will probably be because Jack's luggage went astray on the flight from England and he had to borrow a helmet and driving gear - by this time he did not wear a Herbie Johnson helmet normally. One is nose-down under brakes into Longford corner, other is nose up on way out of same corner.
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#118 malbear

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 08:11

3 directors
http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/ seems to have dropped all refferances to jack brabham engines Ltd save for this one .
I wonder why

#119 D-Type

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 08:22

Can you guys email each other because I don't think anyone else is interested.



I think most of us want to get this thread back to what Stephen (Cooper997) intended when he started it - celebrate the achievements of Australia's greatest racing driver.

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3 directors
http://www.jack-brabham-engines.com/ seems to have dropped all refferances to jack brabham engines Ltd save for this one .
I wonder why


Some people just can't take a hint can they?

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#120 malbear

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 21:16

Some people just can't take a hint can they?


I dissapprove of your view but

I would have thought that in the spirit of free speach a wide range of views and experience would be acceptable.
just as there was a wide range of people with divergent views that contributed to the sucsess of our undoubted focal point hero

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Ron_Tauranac

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Phil_Irving

http://en.wikipedia....i/Repco-Brabham


#121 GMACKIE

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 21:48

Some people just can't take a hint can they?

In the spirit of free speech, I would like to state that I approve of your view.


#122 cooper997

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 00:14

Other genuine motoring enthusiasts have said it and yet they still waffle on...

I started this thread in late 2009 to celebrate the achievements of a great Australian and a man of huge standing in the world of motor sporting endeavour - Sir Jack Brabham.

You malbear & your buddy Neilr have simply chosen to downgrade this thread to suit the axe you two have to grind. Yes you do indeed have a right to free speech. But your comments have nothing constructive for the genuine enthusiasts who visit The Nostalgia Forum. Most usually visit here (and other threads for that matter) to be reminded, do research or indeed to add their own personal experiences to Jack's and so many others who've chased their dream in motor sport. So I cordially ask you to take that axe some place else!

Stephen

#123 GMACKIE

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 00:38

Hear, bloody, hear. :clap:

#124 Muz Bee

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 01:02

It's quite conceivable that but for the great support of a young man's fledgling racing career by one Jack Brabham, the name of McLaren would never have appeared in world motorsport. Having met the triple World Drivers Champion on a couple of occasions, I can find no impediment other than pretty bad hearing. It would be nice if indignant investors kept their efforts towards settling their business scored in court rather than trying to impugn the name of a great Aussie legend.

#125 Dale Harvey

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 06:32

Other genuine motoring enthusiasts have said it and yet they still waffle on...

I started :up: this thread in late 2009 to celebrate the achievements of a great Australian and a man of huge standing in the world of motor sporting endeavour - Sir Jack Brabham.

You malbear & your buddy Neilr have simply chosen to downgrade this thread to suit the axe you two have to grind. Yes you do indeed have a right to free speech. But your comments have nothing constructive for the genuine enthusiasts who visit The Nostalgia Forum. Most usually visit here (and other threads for that matter) to be reminded, do research or indeed to add their own personal experiences to Jack's and so many others who've chased their dream in motor sport. So I cordially ask you to take that axe some place else!

Stephen


I agree . :up: :up:

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#126 Doug Nye

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 17:17

Hear, bloody, hear. :clap:


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#127 Nemo1965

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 18:33


Hello TNF'ers,

I wanted to share with you an article I found by accident, which describes the way that, already in his active years, Jack Brabham was underestimated, undeservedly. Read it here.

Quite an astonishing read. It's from 1966.






#128 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 23:03

Hello TNF'ers,

I wanted to share with you an article I found by accident, which describes the way that, already in his active years, Jack Brabham was underestimated, undeservedly. Read it here.

Quite an astonishing read. It's from 1966.

Too a degree this all true. Jack was a plodder, abliet a very fast one. And as a constructor understood cars better than most and had far more mechanical sympathy. And many seem to forget to finish first, first you have to finish unlike many of the better rated contemporys. Breaking the equipment or crashing will not deliver the results!
The hoo ha about Jensen v Lewis is the same and Jensen often has the better results so nothing is new, just the names have changed

#129 Roger Clark

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 06:29

I disagree strongly with the word plodder. Look at the races he won and not just the world championship races. Very few were won on reliability. He may not have been at quite the level of Moss or Clark but he deserves comparison with any other of his contemporaries and that includes Brooks, Hill, Surtees, Gurney, Rindt and Stewart. He might have had even more wins if he had not made himself number two in his own team for many years.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 07:37

Even Jackie Stewart reckoned Jack was as fast as anyone on his day and Jackie nearly went to Brabham as #1 but knew that Jack would be competitive. He also noted that he felt Jack would lose concentration at times and wondered if it was evidence that his mind was heavily occupied with technical aspects even while at the wheel. Another proof that he was clearly NOT a plodder is the times he took fastest lap against Clark, Rindt et al. A plodder couldn't do that even once let alone numerous times.

#131 plannerpower

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:03

Nemo; a very good read; thanks.

It seems to me that, whilst others drove cars, Jack was an integral part of the whole package and it's the package that wins, not any individual part.

No-one notices or congratulates an outstanding wheel bearing or a first-class gear-lever knob; they are submerged in the package with all the other parts that are vital to a win.

So with Jack; he was an essential part of a winning package throughout his career.

For my part I admire that quality more than the flash & filigree of the "stars".

He was an outstanding driver who was integrated in the package in a way that most others weren't; like the wheel bearing or the gear-lever knob he just didn't attract attention.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:45

I wish I could plod like Jack could. As a 64 y.o. Australian who grew up around motorsport, gleaning everything I could through limited media about JAB during my younger years, I can recognise his faults, but they pale into insignificance against his achievements. I'm so glad to have seen him race and to have met him. Sir Jack is a quiet, humble and great Australian.

Keep the crap out of this thread, please.

Edited by gkennedy, 20 June 2013 - 10:52.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 08:17

Unsurprisingly, I have received complaints about some of the posts within this thread.

Having just reviewed the content it's clear that there is a conflict of opinion regarding the subject and it's not hard to see why.

I'm glad to see that whist emotions have been stirred on both 'sides' the conduct has remained civilised and befitting of TNF.

I sympathise with the predicament some find themselves with regard to business and legal matters and also the point that sporting success and subsequent honours are by no means a guarantee of any individual's all-encompassing conduct.

My problem lies with the environment within which this dialogue is being exchanged. This is a motor racing nostalgia forum which folk visit in order to enjoy memories of motor sporting days of yore and not necessarily to monitor progress of ongoing legal battles and the like.

This thread is now closed and I shall ponder whether it's fair to edit it with a view to re-opening it.

#134 Twin Window

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 20:34

I've deliberated on this matter and also benefitted from the input of a respected colleague.

Providing the gentlemanly conduct continues and that old material doesn't repeatedly get re-posted, the thread is now re-opened.

#135 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 23:14

To set the ball rolling again, and with reference to the Sports Illustrated story, it's most appropriate that we compare what one of Jack's main adversaries in the earlier part of his GP career had to say:

From P109 of "All But My Life"
...he's a superior mechanic-driver, and, as you know, a former champion of the world. Jack shows little emotion, he seems to approach driving as a job. He is something like a painter who can produce a Picasso that one can't tell from the original - if he has the original to work from.

Jack's a careful driver, and quite smooth for the most part. When he does get roused you can see it at once: he reverts to the mannerisms of the Australian dirt tracks he grew up on. He starts to move up on the steering wheel, and the tail of the car begins to hang out in the corners. That means old Jack has decided to get on with it, and the hell with finesse.

If there's much of the race left he'll often scrub the tyres. He'll have a go. You remember when he first came up, there was a gag: 'Here comes Jack Brabham round the bend' and the answer was: 'Oh? Which end of the car is first this time?'

He's building a car of his own now, as you know, and I can't think of many things that would make me happier than to see him have a really tremendous world-wide success with it.

The finest race I've seen Jack do was possibly Warwick Farm in Australia this year, 1963. He really drove to win. I was glad to see it. Jack's a generous, good-hearted man. One time in New Zealand I had a half-shaft break, Jack had a spare and he gave it to me. He'd have helped put it in if I'd asked him. He knew I might beat him with it - as it turned out, I did - but that wouldn't make any difference to him.

Stirling Moss


The race to which he refers was indeed a good drive by Jack, from the back of the grid to pressure (into error) and roundly defeat John Surtees. But it pales alongside his drive at the same circuit in 1968 - have a look at the video of that race.

You have to look in the background as the cameras are following Clark, Amon and Courage, but Jack's there storming through the field and performing minor miracles.

Edited by Ray Bell, 21 June 2013 - 23:17.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 23:34

I recall reading a piece by the great DSJ, a keen observer of the characters and motivation of those in top level racing. DSJ compared Brabham to Uhlenhaut, the Mercedes Benz designer and no mean driver himself, apparently good enough to be a Grand Prix driver. DSJ's view was that these two were the only ones that had a complete understanding of racing car dynamics and the way they could be intregated to form the 'complete package' that has recently been mentioned here.

The difference was that Uhlenhaut achieved this understanding from a theoretical (science and engineering) background; Brabham achieved it by a 'seat of the pants' feel and simple, practical engineering that no other racing driver at the time had. That DSJ rated these two equal at the top of the tree is good enough for me.

I wish I could find the article - does anyone know where it is? I think it would have been in the early 1960s?

I suspect that this level of total vehicle understanding may later have been approached by Mark Donohue (who had a mix of theoretical engineering and 'seat of the pants' experience) and Bruce Mclaren (Brabham's protege).

The greatest race I ever saw was a tigerish performance from Brabham in the 1965 Australian Grand Prix at Longford - that was a day when he was the equal of anyone, on a circuit that took no prisoners.

Rob Saward

Edited by austmcreg, 22 June 2013 - 13:24.


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 00:12

I've deliberated on this matter and also benefitted from the input of a respected colleague.

Providing the gentlemanly conduct continues and that old material doesn't repeatedly get re-posted, the thread is now re-opened.


Stuart,

As a long term forum member I'm uncomfortable with this. Is Malbear banned from posting ? If so, on what basis ? He / she seems to believe that he/she has a problem in collecting cash that he/ she feels they are owed based on a court decision . If I was he or she I would take exactly the same attitude in widely publicising the failure to comply with the court's decision.

As my wife said earlier on, lot's of this dishonest sh!t going on in F1, isn't there ? For years & years was my response

Chris

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 07:12

Stuart,

As a long term forum member I'm uncomfortable with this. Is Malbear banned from posting ? If so, on what basis ? He / she seems to believe that he/she has a problem in collecting cash that he/ she feels they are owed based on a court decision . If I was he or she I would take exactly the same attitude in widely publicising the failure to comply with the court's decision.

As my wife said earlier on, lot's of this dishonest sh!t going on in F1, isn't there ? For years & years was my response

Chris


Chris,

"As my wife said earlier on, lot's of this dishonest sh!t going on in F1, isn't there ?"

Your wife may well be right but TNF would not be the place to discuss it, any more than it is to have the dispute in question repeatedly appearing on our screens. I am sure there more appropriate forums for that.

I come to TNF for racing nostalgia. Not to see dirty washing being aired.



#139 malbear

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 09:00

Stuart,

As a long term forum member I'm uncomfortable with this. Is Malbear banned from posting ? If so, on what basis ? He / she seems to believe that he/she has a problem in collecting cash that he/ she feels they are owed based on a court decision . If I was he or she I would take exactly the same attitude in widely publicising the failure to comply with the court's decision.

As my wife said earlier on, lot's of this dishonest sh!t going on in F1, isn't there ? For years & years was my response

Chris

Thankyou Chris.
I have an aluminium toy racing car given to me by my father in the early 60s for my birthday . It was made by the now defunct firm Castaloy.
does anyone else have one?

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#140 Dipster

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 11:19

Thankyou Chris.
I have an aluminium toy racing car given to me by my father in the early 60s for my birthday . It was made by the now defunct firm Castaloy.
does anyone else have one?


I have not heard of this brand. Where was it manufactured?

#141 kayemod

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 12:11

I have an aluminium toy racing car given to me by my father in the early 60s for my birthday . It was made by the now defunct firm Castaloy.
does anyone else have one?


It seems that TNF thread titles don't provide much of a clue to the contents any more.


#142 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 12:15

Come on fellas!

Lay off this stuff! Stick to discussing Jack Brabham's racing career.

Rob... that race at Longford was probably the greatest race ever run in Australia. It certainly was the greatest race I ever saw and I recognise that Jack's hard-won second place was especially creditable when it's considered that he was pushed off the track in the closing laps and had to come back like gang-busters to achieve that.

Do you know of any lap charts, notes or comprehensive reports on the event?

#143 austmcreg

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 13:20

Rob... that race at Longford was probably the greatest race ever run in Australia. It certainly was the greatest race I ever saw and I recognise that Jack's hard-won second place was especially creditable when it's considered that he was pushed off the track in the closing laps and had to come back like gang-busters to achieve that.

Do you know of any lap charts, notes or comprehensive reports on the event?

Ray,
I have lap charts for just about every Longford meeting except that one. It took me a long time to find the 1959 AGP but eventually did it; 1965 eludes me. There must be a copy somewhere - the LMRA issued full results and lap charts to all competitors after the meeting. I do have most, if not all the written reports on that meeting, and I think maybe the stewards reports as well as Mckinnon's annual report, which is quite illuminating.

Rob Saward

Edited by austmcreg, 22 June 2013 - 13:28.


#144 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 14:25

I don't actually mean the official lap chart, Rob...

Any lap chart at all, even from a spectator's programme. I imagine the Autosport report carried a lap chart.

I have the RCN report, of course, but precious little else. I've never seen anything that conveyed the full colour and excitement of the event, the drama and the tragedy.

#145 Barry Boor

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 15:54

I don't recall Autosport ever carrying lap charts of Tasman series races but the memory may be failing. May? Ha!

#146 kayemod

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 16:25

I don't recall Autosport ever carrying lap charts of Tasman series races but the memory may be failing. May? Ha!


Pretty sure you're right, as far as my own failing memory can recall, they only did lap charts for World Championship events, didn't even both most of the time with F1 events like the Oulton Gold Cup. Some of the Tasman races got no more than a paragraph near the back of the magazine, but I'm sure there are many TNFs with a shed stacked with every Autosport, Motor Sport etc back to the early 1950s who can tell us for sure.


#147 Tim Murray

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 17:08

The first Autosport lap chart I have is for the 1968 Spanish GP. As far as I know this was the first one they published.

#148 opplock

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 19:57

I have copies of the Autosport issues that included reports on the Levin Tasman rounds of 1967-69. The reports are from 1.5 to 4 pages in length depending on whether Wigram was covered in the same issue. There are no lap charts.

They are fairly recent purchases. At the time I was reliant on copies of Motorsport purchased at school gala and at least a year old by the time I saw them.

#149 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 20:35

They certainly had decent reports week by week...

Another source I would like to see would be the soon-to-be-defunct AutonNews weekly that came out for the two months of that series.

#150 Andrew Fellowes

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 21:23

Autosport carried a report in the March 12th issue, p.394 and no they didn't do lap charts but I see grid position were not by practice times but by fastest lap in the 10 lap Examiner Race.