Mercedes W154 performance in 1951 Formula Libre
Posted 15 August 2009 - 16:31
What I find puzzling is that in both races they were beaten by a supercharged 2 litre F2 Ferrari 166 FL driven by José Froilán González with around 300hp even though the Mercedes W154 had at least 425hp and were been driven by someone who had prior experience with the car Hermann Lang who won several races with the same car before the war, arguably the best f1 driver of all time Juan Manuel Fangio and Karl Kling.
Can anyone shed some light on why they got beaten?
Below is the only information I have found.
V Gran Premio del General Juan Perón y de la Ciudad de Buenos Aires
18 February 1951 - Costanera Norte, Buenos Aires: 157.5 km (3.50 km x 45 laps)
1 Froilán González (RA) A.C.A. Ferrari 166 FL 011F (2.0 sc) 1h35m18.9, 100.34 kph
2 Hermann Lang (D) Daimler-Benz Mercedes-Benz W154/163 (3.0 sc) 1h35m35.3
3 Juan Manuel Fangio (RA) Daimler-Benz Mercedes-Benz W154/163 (3.0 sc) 1h36m10.4
4 Oscar Gálvez (RA) A.C.A. Ferrari 166 C 013F (2.0 sc) 44 laps
5 Alfredo Pian (RA) Maserati (1.5 sc) 44 laps
6 Karl Kling (D) Daimler-Benz Mercedes-Benz W154/163 (3.0 sc) 44 laps
Fastest Lap: Juan Manuel Fangio, 2m02.4 (103.11 kph)
Did Not Finish
Clemar Bucci (RA) Alfa Romeo 12C-37 51204(4.6 sc)
Carlos Menditeguy (RA) O.Gálvez Alfa Romeo 308 50017 (3.8 sc)
Viannini (RA) Viannini Maserati 4CLT 1608 (1.5 sc)
Alfredo Pián (RA) Maserati 4CLT 1599 (1.5 sc)
Jorge Daponte (RA) Maserati 4CLT 1600 (1.5 sc)
1 Juan Manuel Fangio Mercedes-Benz W154/163 1m58.4
2 Karl Kling Mercedes-Benz W154/163 2m00.0
? Hermann Lang Mercedes-Benz W154/163 2m06
Giuseppe Farina was originally nominated to drive for Mercedes, but was replaced by Fangio
at the insistence of the race organizers. Farina lodged a formal complaint with the FIA against
V Gran Premio Extraordinario de Eva Duarte Perón
25 February 1951 - Costanera Norte, Buenos Aires: 157.5 km (3.50 km x 45 laps)
1 Froilán González (RA) A.C.A. Ferrari 166 FL 013F (2.0 sc) 1h35m40.6, 98.98 kph
2 Karl Kling (D) Daimler-Benz Mercedes-Benz W154/163 (3.0 sc) 1h37m53.1
3 Hermann Lang (D) Daimler-Benz Mercedes-Benz W154/163 (3.0 sc) 43 laps
4 Jorge Daponte (RA) Maserati (1.5 sc) 43 laps
Fastest Lap: Froilán González, 1m58.6 (106.2 kph)
Did Not Finish
Carlos Menditeguy (RA) O.Gálvez Alfa Romeo 308 50017 (3.8 sc) 36 laps/Fuel pipe
Juan Manuel Fangio (RA) Daimler-Benz Mercedes-Benz W154/163 (3.0 sc) 16 laps/Carburation
Oscar Gálvez (RA) A.C.A. Ferrari 166 C 011F (2.0 sc)
Alfredo Pian (RA) Maserati 4CLT (1.5 sc) 32 laps
Posted 15 August 2009 - 18:53
Also bear in mind that they were really only hand-built prototypes for a projected 1941-43 GP car, the first one designed and built in less than six months and the second actually completed on the boat to Tripoli (there are notable detail differences). They proved very good at Tripoli and would no doubt have performed well at Monza too, had they had the chance: but neither of those was a street course either.
Posted 15 August 2009 - 22:18
There was also the intention of taking the W154 to Indianapolis after Argentina.
During 1951 Daimler-Benz contemplated a return to Grand Prix racing with the W165 but called it of when they say the speed of the unsupercharged Ferrari in the German Grand Prix
Another possible reason for the failure in Argentina was that a lot of the pre-war team, including Uhlenhaut were not involved. Cars as complex as these need a large team of engineers if they are to function properly.
Posted 02 September 2009 - 07:17