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#101 R.W. Mackenzie

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 23:59

I remember Bill Brack being very upset about a Formula Ford that had gotten in his way and caused him to crash his Lotus F5000 in a Canadian championship race in the late 60's or early 70's.

I remember being in an open wheel practice session for an Ontario region race at Mosport. I was in my Kelly FV and as I was climbing the back straight I could see (in my mirrors) Vince Murray in his Lotus 69 FB/Atlantic just coming out of Moss Corner. I swear to god he screamed past me long before I got to corner 8.

And in a similar scenario at Shannonville, I was already starting to brake for turn 2 in my FV and looked in my mirrors to see Dave Weber just exiting turn 1 in his F Atlantic Ralt. Again, I swear to god he dove inside me as I started to turn in.

Was I spending too much time watching my mirrors? You're damn right!

One of the guys that I raced against as a novice in FV bought Horst Kroll's Lola T142. I don't think I was ever on the track at the same time as him but I seem to recall practice sessions where he was out in his 5 litre Chevy with a bunch of guys in their 1.2 litre VW's. Simply nuts!

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#102 Michael Ferner

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 00:16

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#103 kento11

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:33

What about Ecurie Ecosse D-Types vs. Indy Cars at Monza oval

#104 Glengavel

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:01

What about Ecurie Ecosse D-Types vs. Indy Cars at Monza oval


I've read that the USAC cars needed a lot of repairs in between the heats, but did the same apply to the D-Types?

I wonder how a modern day rematch would turn out...


#105 D-Type

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 17:47

I've read that the USAC cars needed a lot of repairs in between the heats, but did the same apply to the D-Types?

I wonder how a modern day rematch would turn out...

The races were run in three heats in deference to concerns about the longevity of the European tyres and the Jaguars' speed was limited to conserve their Dunlops. I have read reports that suggest that had the 1957 race been run as a single race the Jaguars might have outlasted the USAC cars, even allowing for tyre stops, which implies they needed less in the way of repairs (Jack Fairman was 4th behind three USAC cars).

#106 Jim Thurman

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 20:40

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You can't just leave us hanging. Details man, details :)

That is a very old sprinter by that time.

#107 mscheeres

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 20:49

the 1981 Pocono 500 is probably a honorable mention too: Indycars and sprint cars in the same race!

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#108 TooTall

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:11

Back in 1980 or so I crewed for a friend of a friend who ran a D-Production Porsche 911 in Cal Club. At the end of the year they ran a 4 hour enduro open to all closed wheel SCCA classes. There were everything from 2-liter sports racers and A-Production (big block) Corvettes to Showroom Stock Pintos. I think a total of 74 cars started. that was an interesting day!

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#109 Macca

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:43

Just noticed again the front cover of MS for March 1967; a photo of Daytona showing a Ferrari P4, a Ferrari 412P..............and an MGB-GT.

Paul M

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#110 Duc-Man

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:14

Interserie today!
Anything from Formula Opel or BMW on the slow side up to F1, IndyCart, group C and original Can-Am cars on the fast side.

#111 Michael Ferner

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 17:37

You can't just leave us hanging. Details man, details :)

That is a very old sprinter by that time.


#92 is Serge Tesolin, a Canadian in a FJunior Lola (iinm) with a Ford V8 stuffed into it, the place presumably West Virginia International Speedway at Huntington, and the year 1964. Sadly, I cannot identify the rail frame car.

#112 Bob Riebe

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 20:43

the 1981 Pocono 500 is probably a honorable mention too: Indycars and sprint cars in the same race!

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Those were champ cars not sprint cars.

#113 JtP1

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 21:47

I am having to do this from memory and I can't remember the persons involved ,but one of the most unusual follows.

2 Nascar drivers in the 50s during early part of their careers and both stars in later years are arguing in this well known mechanic's garage about who has the faster car. The mechanic who is a bit older and wiser listens for a bit till fustration takes over. "You are standing there arguing who has the faster car and I could beat you both with a horse". So the race is arranged and the drivers turn up for the drag race with their cars and the mechanic with a horse. The horse wins and the drivers find out how quick a quarter horse is over 200 yds.

#114 D-Type

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 22:03

I am having to do this from memory and I can't remember the persons involved ,but one of the most unusual follows.

2 Nascar drivers in the 50s during early part of their careers and both stars in later years are arguing in this well known mechanic's garage about who has the faster car. The mechanic who is a bit older and wiser listens for a bit till fustration takes over. "You are standing there arguing who has the faster car and I could beat you both with a horse". So the race is arranged and the drivers turn up for the drag race with their cars and the mechanic with a horse. The horse wins and the drivers find out how quick a quarter horse is over 200 yds.


I wonder ... was one of the protagonists Smokey Yunick?

#115 Michael Ferner

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 22:41

The horse wins and the drivers find out how quick a quarter horse is over 200 yds.


Fascinating! Just try and imagine what a full horse could have achieved...

#116 Michael Ferner

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 22:42

The horse wins and the drivers find out how quick a quarter horse is over 200 yds.


Fascinating! Just try and imagine what a full horse could have achieved...

#117 JtP1

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 00:10

I wonder ... was one of the protagonists Smokey Yunick?


That's tripped a brain cell. So Smokey Yunick and Fireball Roberts, both Daytona residents. Smokey with the horse. So who grew up near Fireball Roberts and of similar age?

#118 MLC

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 18:58

Not as exciting as some of these other examples, but at the Brazilian GP, the opening race for the 1988 season, Dallara entered their F3000 car. The pukka F1 car wasn't ready so Alex Caffi tried to qualify an F3000 car. This was done by the team solely to avoid the fine imposed by not competing at every Grand Prix of the season.

#119 barrykm

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 19:03

Fascinating! Just try and imagine what a full horse could have achieved...

:rotfl:

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#120 TimRTC

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 20:31

Not quite counting I'm sure, but ET drag racing does throw up some wonderful combinations, the best from my collection:

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NB: The truck actually passed 0.8 faster than the Viper

#121 RDV

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:16

Interlagos 1970...strange mix, Lola T70 coming up to lap classic"Carreteira" similar to Fangio's cars...
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#122 arttidesco

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 20:32

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Saloon car racing through the ages from the late 1990's to 1970 the latter represented by Peter Hallford's rumbling 302 Boss Mustang at the back of the field at Thruxton on Sunday.

Edited by arttidesco, 05 April 2013 - 20:39.


#123 Cavalier53

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:28

This was common in the 60's:

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#124 Graham Clayton

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 13:15

I believe this picture was taken at Brands Hatch - a production saloon Chevette, a GT40(?) on the outside, a modified saloon on the inside, and is that a Clubman tucked in behind?

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#125 Duc-Man

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 16:16

I believe this picture was taken at Brands Hatch - a production saloon Chevette, a GT40(?) on the outside, a modified saloon on the inside, and is that a Clubman tucked in behind?

Looks like a Lotus Super 7 (clone) to me.


#126 Graham Clayton

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:17

The 1972 Rothmans 50,000 at Brands Hatch - Formula 1, F5000, Formula 2 and a lone Lola T280 sports car



#127 Tim Murray

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 12:08

Also on the entry list were a Lola T70 Mk3B, a Porsche 908, numerous 2-litre Lola and Chevron sports cars, David Savile-Peck's Costello CanAm car and a Clubmans U2. None of these were fast enough to get into the main event but many took part in the 100 km consolation race

#128 alansart

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 12:37

The 1972 Rothmans 50,000 at Brands Hatch - Formula 1, F5000, Formula 2 and a lone Lola T280 sports car

 

The 50,000 was a good idea but in the end was a bit of a dull race.

 

Full entry here: http://www.oldracing...php?RaceID=R572



#129 Zippel

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 22:29

One year at Bathurst they stuck the GT Production championship and 2 Litre Super Tourers together in a support race. It was just before the Super Tourers had their own Bathurst 1000. 1995 or 96? I think the reason they gave was they had run out of time to have two separate races!


Edited by Zippel, 16 October 2013 - 22:31.


#130 D-Type

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 17:50

I'm not familiar with either category.  How close in performance were they?