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#1 Ruud de la Rosa

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 18:55

German Auto Motor und Sport claim they know what the cost reductions in 2010 and 1011 will be.

http://www.auto-moto...ke-1382594.html

for the non german speakers a short summary:

only 45 people staff allowed at the racetrack.
team expenditure, excluding driver and upper management pay and marketing, will not exceed 100m euros in 2010, and 50m in 2011.
Factory-based staff is to be capped at 350 personnel per team in 2010, decreasing to 280 in 2011, with more staff per team allowed if less money is spent on buying components from external suppliers.





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#2 highdownforce

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 19:44

[...] with more staff per team allowed if less money is spent on buying components from external suppliers.


So the best thing is to start the developement of their own brakes?
Such a thing is not a cost reduction measure.

Edited by highdownforce, 18 August 2009 - 19:45.


#3 Ruud de la Rosa

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 19:56

So the best thing is to start the developement of their own brakes?
Such a thing is not a cost reduction measure.


if you don't buy f.i. brakes you get to have extra staff to develop and manufacter them yourself. the budget caps however remains.

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 20:04

if you don't buy f.i. brakes you get to have extra staff to develop and manufacter them yourself. the budget caps however remains.


I've got the (non-)logic in this alleged cost reduction measure, but if today the F1 teams buy their brakes from Brembo (e.g.) and this cost them X€ a season, how much would cost to have staff, machines and R&D for that specific area? There's the supposed cap, i know, but it's stiil sounding strange, don't you think?

Edited by highdownforce, 18 August 2009 - 20:05.


#5 Ruud de la Rosa

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 20:28

I've got the (non-)logic in this alleged cost reduction measure, but if today the F1 teams buy their brakes from Brembo (e.g.) and this cost them X€ a season, how much would cost to have staff, machines and R&D for that specific area? There's the supposed cap, i know, but it's stiil sounding strange, don't you think?


the trade off formula isn't known (to us) yet. It all depends on that. I'm sure they can think of something sensible.
controlling all the rules will be very difficult and open to a lot of speculation. do whatever you can to keep formula1 on the front page seems to be the strategy!

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 20:34

German Auto Motor und Sport claim they know what the cost reductions in 2010 and 1011 will be.

http://www.auto-moto...ke-1382594.html

for the non german speakers a short summary:

only 45 people staff allowed at the racetrack.
team expenditure, excluding driver and upper management pay and marketing, will not exceed 100m euros in 2010, and 50m in 2011.
Factory-based staff is to be capped at 350 personnel per team in 2010, decreasing to 280 in 2011, with more staff per team allowed if less money is spent on buying components from external suppliers.


thats no real cap at all
most teams will not even have to reduce by anything at all even when it comes to 2011 as 50M + drivers+ upper management+ Marketing will still be above what a large percentage of the teams spend right now.
However i will wait untill it is confirmed before i remind the fota fanboys about FOTAs so called want to return to the same spending levels as in the 90's.
If this is true most of the teams will not have to reduce spending by anything at all even in 2011.

#7 Ruud de la Rosa

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Posted 18 August 2009 - 21:31

thats no real cap at all
most teams will not even have to reduce by anything at all even when it comes to 2011 as 50M + drivers+ upper management+ Marketing will still be above what a large percentage of the teams spend right now.
However i will wait untill it is confirmed before i remind the fota fanboys about FOTAs so called want to return to the same spending levels as in the 90's.
If this is true most of the teams will not have to reduce spending by anything at all even in 2011.



do you have some sources to back your claim up?

#8 Ruud de la Rosa

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 11:13

sporting and technical regulations have been published. no word on cost regulations as far as I saw.

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 11:45

http://www.fia.com/e...ampionship.aspx


#10 highdownforce

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 12:35

FIA should had released a version of those regulations with the pink color for new wordings.

#11 Ruud de la Rosa

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 13:04

FIA should had released a version of those regulations with the pink color for new wordings.


I agree, like tey did last years. anyone found any changes yet? I didn't but I only glanced at it. KERS still in it, same specs as this year.

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 13:13

I agree, like tey did last years. anyone found any changes yet? I didn't but I only glanced at it. KERS still in it, same specs as this year.

Refuelling forbidden, testing still banned. Can't be arsed to look through all of it right now maybe later.

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 13:14

Minimum weight up to 620kg as well. No suprises really.

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 13:29

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^ F1 spent gazillions on neanderthal passive suspensions and neanderthal non ground-effects aerodynamics.
Now they want to reduce this waste by making F1 even more irrelevant.

Who will pay the bill when the manufacturers will be gone ?!
F1 is heading into the crapper.

#15 Henrytheeigth

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 13:33

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^ F1 spent gazillions on neanderthal passive suspensions and neanderthal non ground-effects aerodynamics.
Now they want to reduce this waste by making F1 even more irrelevant.

Who will pay the bill when the manufacturers will be gone ?!
F1 is heading into the crapper.


So true, so true. Well at least we still have cricket. :)

#16 highdownforce

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 13:54

So true, so true. Well at least we still have cricket. :)

Can we put a KERS on that?

#17 Henrytheeigth

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 15:19

Can we put a KERS on that?


lol :rotfl: I hope you know what cricket is lol

#18 highdownforce

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Posted 19 August 2009 - 15:24

lol :rotfl: I hope you know what cricket is lol


I do  ;)