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#1 ac_Masaryk

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 11:35

Hi

Let's discuss the biggest pile-ups in motosport history. I remember at the moment some of them:

- Monaco 1950
- Brands 76
- Brands 84
- Detroit 84
- Nurburgring 97
- Montreal 98
- spa 98

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#2 Giraffe

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 11:43

http://forums.autosp...w...=99451&st=0

A previously discussed pile-up.

#3 jcbc3

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 11:52

Austria 1987.

Not one big pile-up but 2 lesser. It took thre attempts to get them away, and 6 cars started from the pits.

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 12:53

Indy '66

#5 Thundersport

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 13:33

Great to see you've done your homework.........Brands was 1986 and what a pointless thread by the way.

#6 Giraffe

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 13:45

Great to see you've done your homework.........Brands was 1986 and what a pointless thread by the way.

A thread entitled "Pointless threads" could easily be started, but I fear it would be somewhat oversubscribed! It could be like a TNF skip in the yard, and could be emptied every Friday! :rotfl:


#7 ensign14

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 13:54

Great to see you've done your homework.........Brands was 1986 and what a pointless thread by the way.

There was one in 84 as well. Johansson and Gartner involved inter alia.

#8 Stephen W

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 15:49

FF1600 race at Oulton Park October 1969

Any Formula First race!

Does the definition of a "pile-up" have a minimum number of participants? I would have thought it would have to be a MINIMUM of four.

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#9 Tim Murray

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 16:33

I don't really think Monaco 1950 comes into the category of 'start pile-up'.

#10 Phil Rainford

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 16:44

Don't know if you heard DC talk about Spa 98 at the weekend.

At the time he claimed he had been pushed into the spin that caused that mayhem.......last weekend he admitted he just spun all on his own :)

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#11 ensign14

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 16:58

Does the definition of a "pile-up" have a minimum number of participants? I would have thought it would have to be a MINIMUM of four.

Interestingly, the traditional Chinese character for "rumble" or "catastrophe" is written using the character for chariot three times, one on top of another two.

#12 Bob Riebe

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 17:08

1996 U.S. 500--- when CART was going to show the IRL, how much better they were than the IRL.

#13 KJ7

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 17:33

-Indy '73...just awful.

#14 stevewf1

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 18:27

Don't know if you heard DC talk about Spa 98 at the weekend.

At the time he claimed he had been pushed into the spin that caused that mayhem.......last weekend he admitted he just spun all on his own :)

PAR


At the time, he "was going to be World Champion"... :)


#15 Thundersport

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 23:57

There was one in 84 as well. Johansson and Gartner involved inter alia.

I was at Brands 1984 don't remember that one?

#16 Slyder

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 00:17

Silverstone 1973.

Technically it occurred at the start.

#17 Direct Drive

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 03:20

Long Beach 1976 when Hunt walked down the middle of turn 4 yelling and pointing at Depailler.

#18 LB

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 03:25

I was at Brands 1984 don't remember that one?




Cheever, Gartner, Johanson and Alliot so does give us our four.

The F3 race at Brands 1978 sticks in the memory - most of the field never reached Paddock Hill. Johnny Herberts crash was on a 'first' lap, first lap of a restart come to think of it i can't think of that many races that were red flagged twice.. Macau usually has at least a four car pile up every year. this being a prime example.

Edited by LB, 04 September 2009 - 03:29.


#19 COUGAR508

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 04:05

In terms of non-F1 examples, there were several first corner pile-ups at Pau in the old F3000 days, and a few at Macau also...

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#20 stevewf1

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 10:33

Indy 1958. Not really a "start" pile-up, but I recall that the starting procedures and foul-ups may have played a role(?).


#21 Rosemayer

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 12:23

Monaco 1961

#22 lil'chris

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 13:06

Shouldn't that be Monaco 62 ( when the marshal sadly suffered fatal injuries ) ?

Can I add Canada ( forgotten the year ) when Wurz rolled and Nurburgring 99 when Diniz rolled and his rollbar snapped/twisted

#23 Chezrome

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 15:14


A funny story about Brands 1984... I interview Huub Rothengatter, who was in that race (and qualified and raced pretty well) about that crash because I had pictures of him looking straight at the crash from his cockpit. At least, I thought so from watching the pictures in GPI. But he was adamant there WAS no crash in front of him in 1984. Then I showed him the pictures. 'Bloody hell,' he said, 'you know I did not see that - at all!'



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Posted 04 September 2009 - 23:29

I suppose that the crash involving the Renaults of Warwick and Tambay at Monaco in '84 qualifies as a start crash. It delayed a large part of the field.

Also, the crash at Paul Ricard in '89 when Gugelmin became airborne....

#25 LB

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Posted 05 September 2009 - 00:22

Monaco 1980? when Daly tried to overtake the field airbourne. Monza 1978 and Canada 1982 tragically

Oh and if you really want to see the biggest start pile up ever check this out from the early days of Daytona.



No one is hurt thankfully


#26 Rob G

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Posted 05 September 2009 - 00:23

Who could forget Derek Daly's auto acrobatics at Monaco in 1980? [Edit: Evidently not LB :lol: ]

I'm not sure if this counts, but the 2002 CART/powerboat race at Surfers Paradise featured a horrendous crash as the field finally took the green after a long stretch of caution laps through a monsoon to start the race. Half the field was involved, Jimmy Vasser and Tora Takagi flipped, Michael Andretti submarined underneath a Player's Forsythe car, and Takagi and Adrian Fernandez suffered injuries.

Edited by Rob G, 05 September 2009 - 00:24.


#27 scheivlak

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Posted 05 September 2009 - 00:50

I'm not sure if this counts, but the 2002 CART/powerboat race at Surfers Paradise featured a horrendous crash as the field finally took the green after a long stretch of caution laps through a monsoon to start the race. Half the field was involved, Jimmy Vasser and Tora Takagi flipped, Michael Andretti submarined underneath a Player's Forsythe car, and Takagi and Adrian Fernandez suffered injuries.

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related


#28 LB

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Posted 05 September 2009 - 01:39

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related


and http://www.youtube.c...feature=related Wow! that is scary footage.

#29 stevewf1

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Posted 05 September 2009 - 02:01

and http://www.youtube.c...feature=related Wow! that is scary footage.

:eek:



#30 LB

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Posted 05 September 2009 - 02:36

Wurz in Canada was 1998 btw

Sticking with recent F1

Hockenheim 2001 Schumacher Burti et al
Hockenheim 1994 had two seperate ones by the first corner
and i'm sure there was more there.

Nurburgring is another track with a fair few pile ups at turn 1
Monza too notably 2000

As for Melbourne theres a fair few!!
1996 with Brundle at turn 3
1997 Irvine/Villenueve/Herbert
2002 with Ralf's airbourne williams 8 cars retired
2006 Massa/Rosberg et al
2008 5 retirements in two incidents
2009 another first corner mess but only Kovalainen retired

Estoril 1995 with Katayama collliding with Badoer and flipping all over the shop

We could be here for a while.

Edited by LB, 05 September 2009 - 05:31.


#31 stevewf1

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Posted 05 September 2009 - 02:53

1996 with brundle at turn 3


If I recall, Brundle's Jordan had the roll hoop mounted backwards - something to do with "rules interpretation". I remember reading speculation that could have prevented things from being even worse...


#32 COUGAR508

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Posted 05 September 2009 - 09:10

Another one which springs to mind is the Patrese/Stohr incident at Zolder in '81, when the Arrows mechanic was injured.

Also, the Lauda/Regga crash at Montjuich Park in '75. Didn't Patrick Depailler get caught up in that one also?

#33 john winfield

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Posted 05 September 2009 - 09:43

Another one which springs to mind is the Patrese/Stohr incident at Zolder in '81, when the Arrows mechanic was injured.

Also, the Lauda/Regga crash at Montjuich Park in '75. Didn't Patrick Depailler get caught up in that one also?


Slightly OT but.....I'm not sure whether the first corner incident at Montjuich in 1975 has really been clarified. I can't remember Depailler being involved but I might be wrong; Lauda, Regazzoni, Andretti and Brambilla tend to be mentioned, although I think only Lauda retired at the spot. In the various clips on YouTube and elsewhere, Andretti clearly hits Lauda who, in turn, collects Regazzoni. I believe Brambilla is blamed for first nudging Andretti under braking for the left hander but, personally, I can't see any evidence of this. In fact, I think, if you look really carefully, Brambilla is nowhere near Andretti, separated from the Parnelli by Hunt's Hesketh. I wonder whether this was another case of English speaking journalists believing the story of English speaking drivers.