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[Gilles4Ever]

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/78655

BMW has announced that the Qadbak Investments company has agreed to purchase the Formula 1 team based in Hinwil.

The German company had revealed earlier this year that it will quit Formula 1 at the end of the season, and had been in talks with interested parties since then.

On Tuesday, BMW said it had signed the contract to sell the team to Qadbak, a Swiss-based foundation which represents the interests of certain Middle East and European-based families.

"A strong investor has therefore been found for the Hinwil-based team," BMW said in a statement.

"Qadbak's interest in the team will be represented by Lionel Fischer, a Swiss national. BMW wishes Qadbak and the Sauber Team every success for the 2010 season and beyond."

The sale of the team coincides with the FIA having announced the 13th entry for the 2010 championship went to the Lotus outfit, with BMW as a possible 14th entry in case a current team fails to race next year.

The FIA also said it would talk to the teams about the possibility of increasing the grid size to 28 cars to allow the Hinwil squad to race next year.

[dabrasco]

14 teams on the grid could be interesting.... attimes chaotic, but interesting

consistency would become a bit harder, even for the teams with fast cars

[Brawn BGP 001]

If we get 28 cars, Monaco Q1 will be interesting.

Edited by Brawn BGP 001, 15 September 2009 - 11:17.

[Jedi_F1]

28 cars would be great...

but Renault & Toyota quitting is still very possible

[potmotr]

The return of DNQs...

[Gilles4Ever]

There wont be more than 26 cars come Australia 2010, probably even less.

[fnz]

prequalifyng

[Gareth]

Will BMW continue making an engine for Sauber with this deal, or will Sauber need to find a replacement?

[potmotr]

There wont be more than 26 cars come Australia 2010, probably even less.

I can't see USF1 being there, perhaps not Toyota either I guess.

Anyway, good news. Hopefully Quick Nick gets to stay with the team.

I wonder if the Petronas cash will now go to this Malaysian Lotus thing...

[Gilles4Ever]

Will BMW continue making an engine for Sauber with this deal, or will Sauber need to find a replacement?

IIRC just after BMW's withdrawal announcement Dr T were asked if they would supply engines to whoever bought the team and their reply was along the lines of no, its a complete withdrawal.

[Buttoneer]

Well at least there will be no fear now of losing (in grid terms) Renault. It's OK though, Max and Bernie are rich enough that they don't need to worry about 600 jobs.

[JPW]

Is that the same QADBAK company that bought Notts county?

[potmotr]

Will BMW continue making an engine for Sauber with this deal, or will Sauber need to find a replacement?

I'm pretty sure I'd read somewhere that they are pulling the pin on engines too.

[peroa]

prequalifyng

Won't happen. Nobody will put a penny into an F1 team without the guarantee to race on sunday.

[meddo]

New to this board, so hi all.
Also, as far as I know, Qadbak is Qatari investment fund, which allegedly bougth Notts County, so my guess would be that money and sponsorship is not a very large problem, regarding possible departing of Petronas.

[Francesc]

I think Toyota will pull out so at the end we will get the 13 teams FIA wanted

Edited by Francesc, 15 September 2009 - 11:36.

[CaptainJackSparrow]

You know, if they get say Merc engines then this could be quite a potent team. Sounds like they have some backers with deep pockets, the Hinwil setup is top class, so I think Nick must be relieved and I suspect Kubica could even stick around now pending how the silly season plays out. BMW were the third big team as of 2008, they've had a rough 2009 but in 2010 could be strong again with these new owners.

[Captain Tightpants]

"Qadbak Sauber" ... "Sauber Qadbak".

Doesn't matter how you say it, it doesn't really roll off the tongue, does it?

Also, as far as I know, Qadbak is Qatari investment fund, which allegedly bougth Notts County, so my guess would be that money and sponsorship is not a very large problem, regarding possible departing of Petronas.

I'd say Petronas, being a Malaysian company, would like to go to Lotus, beinga Malaysian team.

[Alonzo]

They must agree in accepting this Qadbak team because Hinwill crew has already proved to be a competent one.

Will Qadbak keep all the resources(wind tunnels, Albert computer and etc) and personel?

[potmotr]

You know, if they get say Merc engines then this could be quite a potent team.

I think there's a long queue for those engines already isn't there?

I'd be thinking Renault.

[CaptainJackSparrow]

They must agree in accepting this Qadbak team because Hinwill crew has already proved to be a competent one.

Will Qadbak keep all the resources(wind tunnels, Albert computer and etc) and personel?

Well I would say backing from Qatar is awesome news in terms of keeping resources, they are flushed with cash and could easily supply a team like this with the resources they need.

Edited by CaptainJackSparrow, 15 September 2009 - 11:41.

[Gilles4Ever]

I think there's a long queue for those engines already isn't there?

I'd be thinking Renault.

Ferrari engines with a seat for Fisi ;)

[estoril85]

how about err SAUBER-MERCEDES (as an aside the C9 is awesome!)
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and the legend 'Concept by Mercedes-Benz' on the engine cover please

Edited by estoril85, 15 September 2009 - 11:43.

[ac39]

renault will probably go to williams, leaving toyota engines available. usf1 will stick with cosworth. qadbak sauber will get toyota customer engines. that's what i reckon.

[krapmeister]

We could still only end up with 20 cars or so - Lotus has about 6 months to get ready so may run out of time, USGP may not get it together in time either, Toyota may pullout, as may Renault if the FIA hands down a substantial penalty/fine for crashgate.

Pessimistic I know but I think it is overly optimistic that we will have 28 cars on the grid next season...

[ac39]

but yeah, sauber mercedes would be awesome. especially with black cars....wonder if they can get hhf and wendlinger out of retirement

[gorivan]

renault will probably go to williams, leaving toyota engines available. usf1 will stick with cosworth. qadbak sauber will get toyota customer engines. that's what i reckon.

Toyota engines would be the worst possible option and a reason for drivers not to stay with the team.

[CaptainJackSparrow]

They seriously need to come up with a good name though, cos that does not roll off the tongue.

New paint schemes as well now! No more BMW white!

As for engines, well, with good backers with deep pockets I am sure they would be looked upon favourably by engine suppliers, maybe even skip a spot in the queue here or there;)

[potmotr]

Ferrari engines with a seat for Fisi ;)

Anything but the Cosworth.

Those engines sound like they'll be overweight and underpowered.

[ensign14]

They will get more points in Scrabble than in F1.

[meddo]

Sauber-Ferrari.
Not the first time around, but I reckon Ferrari would want to sell some more of their engines, now that Merc is covering half the field and buying teams left and right

[potmotr]

They will get more points in Scrabble than in F1.

The only place Cosworth is a triple word score.

[pgj]

I hope this is true.

[potmotr]

They'll be on the grid.

USF1 is a pipe dream.

[Gilles4Ever]

Quote from BMW

"We are pleased to confirm that the FIA has indicated that we may have a place in the 2010 Formula One World Championship," said a BMW statement.

"The team expects to line up on the grid for the first race of the 2010 season."

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/78656

[BRK]

Brilliant! An assured 24 car grid,then.


What're they going to name it,though? Surely not Qadbak Racing or some such nonsense....? Qadbak-Cosworth sounds horrible,at any rate.

Edit: Must.Read.Thread.

Edited by BRK, 15 September 2009 - 12:01.

[lustigson]

I wonder if the Petronas cash will now go to this Malaysian Lotus thing...

I'd say Petronas, being a Malaysian company, would like to go to Lotus, beinga Malaysian team.

IIRC, Petronas (partly) own either Perusahaan Otomobil Nasional (Proton) or the Lotus Cars/Lotus Group company, so they're bound to link up with the new 'Lotus F1 Team'.

[stonebutter]

I don't see how they won't have another "defreezing" of the engines to get them on the same level since the merc power unit is obviously overpowered. Simply isn't fair. I also don't see how Renault would be kicked out for cheating in 1 race when mclaren ripped off another teams technical plans and designs (A far more grievous act of cheating) and still was allowed to race. Renault may decide to leave but if they are stopped from racing by the FIA its a total crock.

[rich06]

Sauber-Ferrari.
Not the first time around, but I reckon Ferrari would want to sell some more of their engines, now that Merc is covering half the field and buying teams left and right

I think Peter Sauber's share has also been bought out so I don't think his name will form part of the new team's name...

[potmotr]

IIRC, Petronas (partly) own either Perusahaan Otomobil Nasional (Proton) or the Lotus Cars/Lotus Group company, so they're bound to link up with the new 'Lotus F1 Team'.

Hmmm, that's a fairly big hole in the budget for starters.

[Alonzo]

I think there's a long queue for those engines already isn't there?

I'd be thinking Renault.

No, Renault is horrible, look what they did to RBR. The ideal would be Mercedes but, as you said, is hard because everybody wants it.

They seriously need to come up with a good name though, cos that does not roll off the tongue.

New paint schemes as well now! No more BMW white!

Regargind the name I agree with you, but have to completely disagree about the colors. BMW's color scheme is the best in F1 imo, an elegant white with blue details. Simply tasteful.

[katmen]

what about

porsche or skoda or audi or seat

because Qatar investment and involvement in wv?

[potmotr]

what about

porsche or skoda or audi or seat

because Qatar investment and involvement in wv?

Porsche, Audi, Skoda and owned by VW .

But it has said repeatedly that F1 isn't a sport it wants to be involved in.

Although the idea of an Audi F1 car would be awesome, I can't see that manufacturer getting involved unless it knew they could win, and that means £££.

[fololo]

Last Year The Ferrari Engine was better than the Mercedes Engine. This Time the Mercedes Engine is better than the Ferraris



Guys do you think its becuase of 18.000rpm?

[katmen]

Porsche, Audi, Skoda and owned by VW .

But it has said repeatedly that F1 isn't a sport it wants to be involved in.

Although the idea of an Audi F1 car would be awesome, I can't see that manufacturer getting involved unless it knew they could win, and that means £££.

I know about vw a lot.....

I think, that vw needs more worldwide propagation mainly after financial meltdown

Skoda F1 with kubica and petrov ... not so bad combo experience plus €€€ from russia

[katmen]

Last Year The Ferrari Engine was better than the Mercedes Engine. This Time the Mercedes Engine is better than the Ferraris



Guys do you think its becuase of 18.000rpm?

methinks yes there was change in performance envelope

[zawisza]

New to this board, so hi all.
Also, as far as I know, Qadbak is Qatari investment fund, which allegedly bougth Notts County, so my guess would be that money and sponsorship is not a very large problem, regarding possible departing of Petronas.

BMW should have asked for credentials. The Polish government would be so glad having such opportunity...

Edited by zawisza, 15 September 2009 - 12:26.

[ryan86]

Do BMW make their F1 engines at Hinwil?

[katmen]

Do BMW make their F1 engines at Hinwil?

no
in germany

[r4mses]

Porsche, Audi, Skoda and owned by VW .

But it has said repeatedly that F1 isn't a sport it wants to be involved in.

Although the idea of an Audi F1 car would be awesome, I can't see that manufacturer getting involved unless it knew they could win, and that means £££.

Audi F1

Audi pre-2009

Audi pre-2009

Audi pre-2009

two Audis pre-2009

Audi 2009

Edited by r4mses, 15 September 2009 - 12:34.