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#51 Rennmax

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 08:05


Morning gents, very much the same bike that Pery Tait took to 2nd place at Spa in '69 I assume ?

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#52 fil2.8

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 08:59

I´ve just sourced it and it was a Doug Heal 500. So yes, I think it must have been a twin. Don´t know why but I´ve always thought it was the triple.
Shame on me. :blush:


Morning chaps :wave: Also Rhodie , the ' 3 ' was'nt about in '67 IIRC



#53 Classicpics

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Posted 06 November 2009 - 20:03

Morning gents, very much the same bike that Pery Tait took to 2nd place at Spa in '69 I assume ?

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Could this be the same bike?

#54 picblanc

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Posted 06 November 2009 - 20:09

This is a Triple :rolleyes: . :wave:
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#55 picblanc

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Posted 06 November 2009 - 20:13

and this one!
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Posted 06 November 2009 - 20:17

Snetterton Race of Aces 1971.
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#57 Classicpics

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Posted 06 November 2009 - 21:05

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Not a patch on Graham's picture but it's the real thing.


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And another

#58 picblanc

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Posted 07 November 2009 - 09:26

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Not a patch on Graham's picture but it's the real thing.


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And another


:up: :up: Keep em coming!! there superb as usual CP. :wave:

#59 ex Rhodie racer 2

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Posted 07 November 2009 - 15:09

This is a Triple :rolleyes: . :wave:


and this one!


Snetterton Race of Aces 1971.


Thanks Mr Fu. I´ve been well and truly told off, and I deserved it, I must add. :lol: :wave:


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#60 picblanc

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Posted 07 November 2009 - 18:47

Thanks Mr Fu. I´ve been well and truly told off, and I deserved it, I must add. :lol: :wave:


:lol: :wave: Dont do it again! :rolleyes:

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Posted 27 December 2009 - 19:54

:lol: :wave: Dont do it again! :rolleyes:

I think you will find that most of th bikes shown in this thread have modern forks, not the original forks like my North, the original forks, used on the works bikes did not have a fitting for a mudguard, so if you fit modern forks with cast sliders, you can fit a mudguard.

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 19:10

I think you will find that most of th bikes shown in this thread have modern forks, not the original forks like my North, the original forks, used on the works bikes did not have a fitting for a mudguard, so if you fit modern forks with cast sliders, you can fit a mudguard.

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What have you got Mark? any piccies? :wave:

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 21:28

My bike which is a copy of the works bikes with some sensible mods has the POGO STICK forks, i.e. steel sliders, not the moder Cerriani or Marzocchi versions, I just wanted the bike to look period. However I do have a dry clutch and a six speed box, which was perhaps a little over indulgence on my part, but the clutch is nearly hidden by the fairing. The engine has Carrillo rods, centre plug head, 33 mm Amal carbs.

When I know how, I shall post some pics.

Sorry posting pics to a forum is not my strong point.

Mark

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 22:33

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See if this works, and no muguard!


Mark

My bike which is a copy of the works bikes with some sensible mods has the POGO STICK forks, i.e. steel sliders, not the moder Cerriani or Marzocchi versions, I just wanted the bike to look period. However I do have a dry clutch and a six speed box, which was perhaps a little over indulgence on my part, but the clutch is nearly hidden by the fairing. The engine has Carrillo rods, centre plug head, 33 mm Amal carbs.

When I know how, I shall post some pics.

Sorry posting pics to a forum is not my strong point.

Mark



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Posted 28 December 2009 - 22:35

Indeed it does, what a beauty!!!

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 22:36

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Maybe getting the hang of it, removable baffle/silencer when the noise police are not around.


Thanks Graham for the help.

Mark


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See if this works, and no muguard!


Mark



#67 picblanc

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 22:39

I want one!! :well:

#68 fil2.8

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 22:41

Well done Mark , looks good :up:

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 22:45


Thanks,

I wanted one from many years ago, since spectating at Glen Helen as a school boy, you never forget the noise of the works triples, it stays with you for the rest of your life, even my RG 500s as marvelous as they are can not match the exhaust note.

I have plenty of other pictures, I just have to find the correct thread to put them in.

Mark


Well done Mark , looks good :up:



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Posted 23 April 2010 - 15:04

Just thought I would share some photos of a Rob North triple that I had years ago. I was working at Dresda Autos at the time, must have been 1974/75, and bought a rolling chassis from a friend of ours who had started building it in his bedroom. It was said to be a chassis made for the factory’s racing team the following year but they stopped racing, so was sold off. If I remember right it was a BSA frame, but as I had got hold of a Trident engine, that’s what I fitted. I can’t remember what I had to do to get the Triumph engine in, whether it was just different front plates or some welding was involved, but I’m pretty sure it was a BSA/Triumph amalgam as I seem to remember painting it the red colour to go with the BSA side of it.

The engine was around 900cc. The crank was stroked, welded up and remachined by some sidecar guy in the north-west, if I remember right, then dynamically balanced on a Repco machine (as of Repco Brabham). I think the barrel was by Morgo, but I may be wrong as I’d also built up a 800cc twin with a Norton crank and Morgo barrel.

I don’t think I ever actually raced it; I entered club races but I don’t think I ever actually ran it because it took longer to get the engine completed than I expected and you had to enter the popular Bemsee meetings way in advance.

When Richard Peckett and I started P&M I sold the bike (to raise some cash) to a Tommy Stitt in N Ireland who road raced it. I’m sure it must still be around somewhere.

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 15:23

Hi Peter, & welcome :wave:
Great pictures & story of your bike, thank you. :up:

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 20:47

Here's a couple of old pics of the triples, no intro needed for the riders. Notice that Coopers bike has been painted blue, from the usual red colour scheme that the BSA's had. I seem to remember that the factory wanted him to badge it as a Triumph, he obviously didn't think much of this but went half way and painted it blue (as per Triumph) but still badged it as a BSA!
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 21:03

Tony Jefferies. :up: great pics again.

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 21:55

Nice photos Peter :wave: Loved the P&Ms too :up: :up: :up: Those old triples still had an incredible sound, right up there at the top, lovely bike :) I had a friend years ago who had a North Triple on the road (I think Les Williams did some work on it) and it was pretty damned fast in the early eighties, he couldn't quite match the Laverda but it handled much better :eek: :rolleyes:





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Posted 27 April 2010 - 23:03

Some pics I took of Saturdays Triple display at the Stafford Classic Bike show, with non other than Percy Tait in attendance.

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21 cylinders on song...

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some paddock shots...

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 00:20

Great foto's :up: :up:

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 04:54

Great to see Percy looking so well :clap: When we were kids Percy was a tester at Meriden and we'd often see him about on the A45. Imagine that these days :eek: too ricidudlius for words :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Excellent photos Mike :up:



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Posted 28 April 2010 - 07:47

Superb photos Mike, thanks for those. :up:

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 11:54

Great to see Percy looking so well :clap: When we were kids Percy was a tester at Meriden and we'd often see him about on the A45. Imagine that these days :eek: too ricidudlius for words :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Excellent photos Mike :up:



David


Yes , as Dirk says , great pics Mike , and Percy looks in very good order :up:


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Posted 28 April 2010 - 16:11

They should not have front mudguards though, especially the Cooper, Smart & Tait bikes.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 17:04

Yes I agree about the mudguards, but look at this. Not a very good pic of Cooperman, but ........ mudguard :eek:

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 17:12

Blimey!! and as Victor Meldrew used to say "I dont believe it!!"

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 10:45

Found this great clip on youtube I have not seen before, action & pre race footage from 1972 TT, commentary is in Italian, great footage enjoy.

Triumphs at 1972TT

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 19:49

Found this great clip on youtube I have not seen before, action & pre race footage from 1972 TT, commentary is in Italian, great footage enjoy.

Triumphs at 1972TT


Well I thought it was good! :|

#85 Robin127

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 22:04

Well I thought it was good! :|



I did too!

#86 bsracer

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 15:40

I agree, it's great footage!


Thanx paul



#87 fil2.8

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 17:53

Well I thought it was good! :|



So did I , great period film :love: :up: :up: , hope some of todays ' mechs take note of the working conditions ................... :rolleyes:


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Posted 14 May 2012 - 19:33

Revive an older thread, seen before but I like this one! & must replace pics that have been deleted!.
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 19:43

Snetterton 2007 CRMC, Sverre Saxxegard (405) Morton Ronning (446) Paul Eagle (48).
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 20:00

Jens Kroon 2008.
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 07:03

Boy, if ever someone was destined by name to ride a bike.... :eek:


...Get your Morton Ronning....head out on the highway.... :cool:

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 13:51

Here's some pics of Rob's own bikes taken at Willow Springs a couple of weeks ago. The blue one he calls his Triple Tribute. The other is the bike Dick Mann rode.

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Rob said that the fairing sides had been painted Triumph Blue after BSA folded. He repainted them BSA RED but left the front nose piece untouched.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 13:59

Nice one Paul, great to see that original top half of faring too! is that the 1972 bike, if so I saw it at Brands Trans Trophy? :up:

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 13:28

Nice one Paul, great to see that original top half of faring too! is that the 1972 bike, if so I saw it at Brands Trans Trophy? :up:


Hi Graham,
I'm not sure if it is the 1972 bike. I'm pretty sure it is the bike Don Emde was to ride then it was given to Dick when his original bike had problems.

paul

I'll check with Rob

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 21:22

Wasn't the original identified by having a piece of hacksaw blade as an ignition cut-out ?

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 22:13

Hi Graham,
I'm not sure if it is the 1972 bike. I'm pretty sure it is the bike Don Emde was to ride then it was given to Dick when his original bike had problems.


If we're speaking about the 1971 Daytona winner, then it was indeed originally allocated to Don Emde, then given to Dick Mann, but not really because his bike had "problems"  ;) ....as told by Don Emde himself in this article below, which had been published ages ago on the US "Soup" site


The guys at BSA/Triumph in America were of the
understanding that the new bikes would be "pretty much the
same" as the 1970 bikes, so over the winter BSA had gone
ahead and painted the names and numbers of Dick Mann,
David Aldana and Jim Rice on their bikes from the last
season and I would get the new bike. Since the other three
bikes were rebuilt from the ground up, they figured we'd all
have identical machines
So there I was on that Saturday morning in the garage
sitting on the bike with my name and number on it, an allnew
Rocket III fitted with disk brakes front and rear and
many other obvious improvements to the old bikes. The new
bikes were lighter, and had a lower profile which got them
quickly dubbed the "Low Boy" models. So compact was the
whole package that the oil cooler was stuffed into the front
of the fairing with a thin "mail slot" in the nose of the fairing
to allow the air to flow to it. Over on the Triumph side of the
garage, Gary Nixon had that same "new bike for Christmas"
grin on his face that I did as he inspected his new Triumph
"Low-Boy."
But my feelings of winning the lottery were short-lived and
soon turned to "what might have been." I saw a meeting
going on in the corner of the garage with Dick Mann and
Gene Romero conferring with Doug Hele from England, BSA
America's VP of racing Pete Colman and the race manager
Danny Macias.
A few minutes later, Danny came over and explained that
they did not know how much the new models were going to
be improved and that the team's goals were not only to win
Daytona, but to also capture the AMA's #1 plate for the
season. While they assured me that they had confidence in
me for the future, they needed Dick Mann to ride the new
bike as he was considered the leading rider on the team for
the championship chase.
What could I say? I was the new guy on the team, and
figured that I was just beginning a long career with BSA, so I
did not make a big deal out of being demoted from the new
bike to one of the 1970 machines. As it turned out, Dick's
name and number were painted over mine on the new bike
and I got the bike that Dick was going to ride, and that was
the same bike that Hailwood had ridden the year before.
While I was disappointed at the time, I will admit that the
decision by BSA to put Mann on the new bike did prove to be
a good one for the team, as Dick not only won Daytona on
that machine, but he then went on win the 1971 AMA Grand
National Championship. In those days we raced both
roadrace and dirt track—who better to "do it all" than my old
friend Dick Mann? It was the right choice.
Over on the Triumph side, Gary Nixon was getting the bad
news that Gene Romero was being moved onto the new
Triumph. While Gary had won the championship for Triumph
in the late-1960s, his badly broken leg from his famous
Santa Rosa crash made him less of a factor in dirt track
racing and the team's golden boy was now Gene Romero,
the defending AMA champion.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 14:30

Wasn't the original identified by having a piece of hacksaw blade as an ignition cut-out ?


I'm under the impression this bike was identified by a sort of fingerprint. After Rob got the bike, a photographer who had taken photos of the bike in the pits at Daytona supplied some blown-up photos detailing close-ups of some of the welds (frame and oil tank). When you hold them up to the welds on the bike, they're a perfect match.


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Posted 21 May 2012 - 14:35

Thanx Philippe,

I never knew those details. I was just under the guise that something happened to Dick's bike that was the reason.

paul

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 09:37

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My brother Clive's Rob North Trident at the Pukekohe short circuit, 1973.

Pic by Murray Hill.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 10:24

My brother Clive's Rob North Trident at the Pukekohe short circuit, 1973.

Pic by Murray Hill.

Nice pic of what must have then been a very rare motorcycle in those parts? Was it built locally?