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#1 Catch 22

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Posted 29 October 2000 - 22:52

All -

I've always carried race number 22 on my cars, but I'll be darned if I can remember a car carrying that number winning an F1 race since Seppi Siffert's victory in 1968 at Brands Hatch driving Rob Walker's beautiful blue Lotus 49B.

Anybody got a spreadsheet they could check for me?

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#2 Leif Snellman

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Posted 29 October 2000 - 23:08

Here is the full list:




  #   WINS   LAST VICTORY

  0	9	 1994 JAP   D Hill		   Williams	   

  1   93	 2000 BEL   Häkkinen		 McLaren		

  2   58	 2000 FRA   Coulthard		McLaren		

  3   41	 2000 MAL   Schumacher	   Ferrari		

  4   23	 2000 D	 Barrichello	  Ferrari		

  5   96	 1997 JAP   Schumacher	   Ferrari		

  6   38	 1996 POR   J Villeneuve	 Williams	   

  7   25	 1998 SM	Coulthard		McLaren		

  8   39	 1999 ITA   Frentzen		 Jordan		 

  9	9	 1998 BEL   D Hill		   Jordan		 

 10   11	 1997 ITA   Coulthard		McLaren		

 11   35	 1988 AUS   Prost			McLaren		

 12   35	 1988 JAP   Senna			McLaren		

 14	7	 1971 AUT   Siffert		  BRM			

 15   14	 1983 AUT   Prost			Renault		

 16   12	 1982 ITA   Arnoux		   Renault		

 17	5	 1999 EUR   Herbert		  Stewart		

 18	8	 1971 ITA   Gethin		   BRM			

 19	2	 1992 BEL   Schumacher	   Benetton	   

 20   13	 1991 CAN   Piquet		   Benetton	   

 21	1	 1972 ARG   Stewart		  Tyrrell		

 22	3	 1968 GB	Siffert		  Lotus		  

 23	1	 1964 BEL   Clark			Lotus		  

 24	5	 1975 HOL   Hunt			 Hesketh		

 25	2	 1980 BEL   Pironi		   Ligier		 

 26	9	 1981 CAN   Laffite		  Ligier		 

 27   25	 1995 CAN   Alesi			Ferrari		

 28   16	 1994 D	 Berger		   Ferrari		

 30	2	 1962 FRA   Gurney		   Porsche		

 31	1	 1972 AUT   Fittipaldi	   Lotus		  

 32	3	 1972 BEL   Fittipaldi	   Lotus		  

 34	2	 1956 ARG   Musso/Fangio	 Ferrari		

 36	2	 1967 BEL   Gurney		   Eagle		  

 38	1	 1954 SPA   Hawthorn		 Ferrari		

 44	1	 1955 MON   Trintignant	  Ferrari		

 46	1	 1953 SUI   Ascari		   Ferrari		

 50	2	 1961 FRA   Baghetti		 Ferrari		

 71	1	 1951 D	 Ascari		   Ferrari		

101	1	 1952 D	 Ascari		   Ferrari


#3 Racer.Demon

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Posted 29 October 2000 - 23:14

Andrea De Cesaris came pretty close, though...

(Impressive list, Leif!)


#4 Catch 22

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Posted 29 October 2000 - 23:31

Thanks a bunch, Leif! If I correctly interpret your list, only three cars carrying my number 22 have ever triumphed, and Siffert was indeed the last. Do you happen to know who/when the others were?

- Catch 22[p][Edited by Catch 22 on 10-29-2000]

#5 Catch 22

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Posted 29 October 2000 - 23:39

I went back and had another look at Leif's list. Fascinating that #5 outscores #1, for example. I guess Nigel was right! Is Damon the only race winner to have carried #0? I saw one of those wins (Spa, '93). And is there a story behind Ascari's German wins carrying the unusual #71 and even more unusual #101? Thanks again!

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#6 Leif Snellman

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Posted 29 October 2000 - 23:40

I don't have access to the complete data right now.
I can only see that it is Fangio (Alfa Romeo) and Gurney (Brabham) but the races are unknown to me.

#7 Leif Snellman

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Posted 29 October 2000 - 23:49

42 of those #5 are Williams victories, 27 of them by Mansell himself. Andretti has 11 victories with #5, Damon Hill 12, Piquet 9 and Schumi 14, Clark 6, Fittipaldi and
Stewart 4 each and Boutsen 3.





#8 Catch 22

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Posted 29 October 2000 - 23:59

First off, sorry about misspelling your name, Leif. I went back and fixed it. I also pulled out a source to answer the other questions

Fangio's win was the 1951 Spanish race in an Alfa Romeo 159M. Oddly, this race was the *2nd* F1 race following my birth and was just over *2* months later. Coincidence? I think not!

Gurney's win was the 1964 French race in a Brabham BT7-Climax. Since Gurney is my greatest living racing hero, I was delighted that he was one of my numerological brethern. (I hardly need mention how glad I am that Fangio's the other mystery man, and of course, I've always had a soft spot for Seppi. Gotta get a model of that 49!)

Also checked on the #0 question, but since my source goes only to 1993, I can't be sure, but I *think* they're all Damon's.

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#9 Leif Snellman

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Posted 30 October 2000 - 00:15

That's correct, all 9 of the #0 victories are by Damon Hill.
And Ascari's #101 victory is because all the cars in the 1952 German GP had numbers higher than 100.

By the way ,next on the list after Mansell's impossible 27 victories in car #5 comes Senna with 16 victories in #1 and Prost with 16 victories in #2. Schumi has already 12 victories in #1 and will probably add a few next year



#10 Flicker

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Posted 30 October 2000 - 00:50

Only want to add that the only (IMHO) other #0 car belongs to 1973 Yardley McLaren, when this team entered third car for Jody Scheckter.


#11 Barry Boor

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Posted 30 October 2000 - 18:56

Damn ! If only I hadn't had to go to work today, I'd have been there with Dan's French Grand Prix win. Well done, Catch, you beat me to it.
We apparently share a greatest hero (in my case living or otherwise!)

#12 Barry Lake

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Posted 31 October 2000 - 09:53

Leif
Do you have your information on a database in such a way that you can easily pull up that sort of data?
Or do you just spend a lot of time making lists?
Whatever, it is very impressive.
Can you tell me if it is up to date to the end of the 2000 season?

#13 Leif Snellman

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Posted 31 October 2000 - 11:52

Originally posted by Barry Lake
Leif
Do you have your information on a database in such a way that you can easily pull up that sort of data?
Or do you just spend a lot of time making lists?


No database. I made the list a few years ago and happened to make a upgrade after the Italian GP this year. So it was just to add a few Schumi victories. :)

#14 Leif Snellman

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Posted 31 October 2000 - 12:16

And as I was foolish enouth to use Steve Small for the race numbers :blush: (se Felix's comments in the "Drivers' birth dates" Topic) we must change Gonzales' #16 to a #12.

So the correct ( I hope) list should look like this:



  #   WINS   LAST VICTORY

  0	9	 1994 JAP   D Hill		   Williams	   

  1   93	 2000 BEL   Häkkinen		 McLaren		

  2   58	 2000 FRA   Coulthard		McLaren		

  3   41	 2000 MAL   Schumacher	   Ferrari		

  4   23	 2000 D	 Barrichello	  Ferrari		

  5   96	 1997 JAP   Schumacher	   Ferrari		

  6   38	 1996 POR   J Villeneuve	 Williams	   

  7   25	 1998 SM	Coulthard		McLaren		

  8   39	 1999 ITA   Frentzen		 Jordan		 

  9	9	 1998 BEL   D Hill		   Jordan		 

 10   11	 1997 ITA   Coulthard		McLaren		

 11   35	 1988 AUS   Prost			McLaren		

 12   36	 1988 JAP   Senna			McLaren		

 14	7	 1971 AUT   Siffert		  BRM			

 15   14	 1983 AUT   Prost			Renault		

 16   11	 1982 ITA   Arnoux		   Renault		

 17	5	 1999 EUR   Herbert		  Stewart		

 18	8	 1971 ITA   Gethin		   BRM			

 19	2	 1992 BEL   Schumacher	   Benetton	   

 20   13	 1991 CAN   Piquet		   Benetton	   

 21	1	 1972 ARG   Stewart		  Tyrrell		

 22	3	 1968 GB	Siffert		  Lotus		  

 23	1	 1964 BEL   Clark			Lotus		  

 24	5	 1975 HOL   Hunt			 Hesketh		

 25	2	 1980 BEL   Pironi		   Ligier		 

 26	9	 1981 CAN   Laffite		  Ligier		 

 27   25	 1995 CAN   Alesi			Ferrari		

 28   16	 1994 D	 Berger		   Ferrari		

 30	2	 1962 FRA   Gurney		   Porsche		

 31	1	 1972 AUT   Fittipaldi	   Lotus		  

 32	3	 1972 BEL   Fittipaldi	   Lotus		  

 34	2	 1956 ARG   Musso/Fangio	 Ferrari		

 36	2	 1967 BEL   Gurney		   Eagle		  

 38	1	 1954 SPA   Hawthorn		 Ferrari		

 44	1	 1955 MON   Trintignant	  Ferrari		

 46	1	 1953 SUI   Ascari		   Ferrari		

 50	2	 1961 FRA   Baghetti		 Ferrari		

 71	1	 1951 D	 Ascari		   Ferrari		

101	1	 1952 D	 Ascari		   Ferrari

Sorry for that!



#15 Barry Lake

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Posted 31 October 2000 - 18:14

Thanks Leif.

I notice there are no wins for number 13 - and the number has been discussed elsewhere on this forum.

In Australia, at least, the number 13 has been used often. Two very successful drivers, both of whom have won Bathurst outright, Bruce McPhee and Bob Holden, have used 13 whenever possible for decades now (Bob began racing early-1950s and still competes!). At one stage they even had a "tug of war" over who should get the number.

It also was used on a couple of successful midget speedcars in Australia (one driven by another Bathurst winner - is there a trend here? - John Harvey).

Does anyone know if the number ever has been used in top level international racing, also if it has been successful?

Number 39 (three times 13) also has no wins, although 26 (twice thirteen) has nine wins (none of them attributable to Alberto Ascari, of course).

#16 Barry Boor

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Posted 31 October 2000 - 18:35

I am sue that Davina Galica used #13 whenever she could, in her few sorties into F1 but otherwise, I'm not sure it has been used by anyone else.
As for success; see Davina Galica.

#17 fines

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Posted 31 October 2000 - 20:26

Franco Uncini used #13 quite frequently in 1982 when he won the 500cc Bike World Championship. Also Marco Melandri in more recent years, winning several races with it.

#18 dbw

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Posted 31 October 2000 - 20:28

not quite on topic but rene dreyfus won monaco in 1930 running as # 22 with rather striking graphics even for the period......[perhaps someone could post an image...]

#19 Felix Muelas

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Posted 31 October 2000 - 21:04

dbw

Someone from The 8W Team was listening...
:)

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#20 MattFoster

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Posted 31 October 2000 - 22:29

Yes Andrea did come close to winning with #22 and nearly gave #33 it's only win at the 91 Belgian Grand Prix.


Cheers
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#21 Milan Fistonic

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Posted 01 November 2000 - 08:20

The only time that car number 13 has been in a Grand prix was in Mexico 1963 on the BRM P57 driven by Moises Solana.
Divina Galica did not qualify her number 13 Surtees TS16 at the 1976 British Grand Prix.

#22 Racer.Demon

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Posted 01 November 2000 - 16:54

The story goes that race organizers started avoiding the appointment of No.13 after the 1926 Targa Florio in which Giulio Masetti got killed in a car bearing the number. Anyone know whether there is some truth in that?

BTW, here's Divina at Brands during the August '77 round of the Shellsport Group 8 series.

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