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#101 Barramut

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 11:59

Originally posted by TT6
Of course I enjoy the speculation as much as anybody else, but what I read from the opening reply is that both McLaren and Ferrari drivers are contracted for 2010.

Still most of the replies are considering who Alonso is going to replace in Ferrari.

I don't believe Ferrari will pay the charge to break Kimi's contract, as everyone else is assuming.
Unless Banco Santander pays it.

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#102 tkulla

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 13:01

Does Kimi have a solid deal for 2010, or is it a team (or driver) option?

It would be nice if the contracts were public as in most American sports. It would certainly help our silly season fun...

#103 Peter Perfect

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 13:26

Originally posted by Dooly Tilly



Originally posted by howardt

Jensen is far too loyal to do it.


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


Well, he turned down a chance of a Renault seat in the hope that BrawnGP would become a reality, so I'd say he's been extremely loyal.

#104 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 13:31

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Peter Perfect


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Well, he turned down a chance of a Renault seat [/B][/QUOTE]

He did? News to me, only possible deal I heard he had was STR.

Williams being the loyalty debacle he is laughing about.

#105 Barramut

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 13:40

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Peter Perfect


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Well, he turned down a chance of a Renault seat in the hope that BrawnGP would become a reality, so I'd say he's been extremely loyal. [/B][/QUOTE]
What? So that's called loyalty?

Jenson turned down a chance to become Alonso's peach [you know what I mean]?
Why would Jense trade his granted contract with Honda in exchange of some of Briatore leftovers and a long term slavery contract?
Remember that Jense has been there before.

#106 Peter Perfect

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 14:22

Originally posted by Barramut



Well, he turned down a chance of a Renault seat in the hope that BrawnGP would become a reality, so I'd say he's been extremely loyal.

What? So that's called loyalty?

Jenson turned down a chance to become Alonso's peach [you know what I mean]?
Why would Jense trade his granted contract with Honda in exchange of some of Briatore leftovers and a long term slavery contract?
Remember that Jense has been there before.


Because it's racing in F1. A year out of F1 could have finished his career, instead he chose to risk his career with the team he's spent so many years with.

#107 BiH

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 14:35

Ferrari
Felipe Massa
Fernando Alonso

McLaren
Lewis Hamilton
Heikki Kovalainen

Brawn
Jenson Button
Bruno Senna

Briatore-Cosworth
Kimi Raikkonen
Romain Grosjean

BMW Sauber
Nick Heidfeld
Robert Kubica

Toyota
Jarno Trulli
Timo Glock

Red Bull
Sebastian Vettel
Mark Webber

Toro Rosso
Sebastian Buemi
Tonio Liuzzi

Williams
Nico Rosberg
Nico Hülkenberg

Force India
Adrian Sutil
Karun Chandhok

Lola
Sebastien Bourdais
Giorgio Pantano

Prodrive
Kyle Busch
Vitaly Petrov

USF1
Danica Patrick
Marco Andretti

#108 Barramut

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 14:37

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Peter Perfect

What? So that's called loyalty?

Jenson turned down a chance to become Alonso's peach [you know what I mean]?
Why would Jense trade his granted contract with Honda in exchange of some of Briatore leftovers and a long term slavery contract?
Remember that Jense has been there before.
[/QUOTE]

Because it's racing in F1. A year out of F1 could have finished his career, instead he chose to risk his career with the team he's spent so many years with. [/B][/QUOTE]
Good point.
But Prost also took a sabatical year waiting for a better car [Williams] and won another WDC.

#109 Peter Perfect

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 14:55

Originally posted by Barramut


Because it's racing in F1. A year out of F1 could have finished his career, instead he chose to risk his career with the team he's spent so many years with.

Good point.
But Prost also took a sabatical year waiting for a better car [Williams] and won another WDC. [/B]


True, but people like Prost and Lauda are the exceptions rather than the rule.

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 16:25

It amazes me that people think that Karun Chandhok is randomly going to enter F1.

#111 juary

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 17:22

Brawn-Mercedes
1. Jenson Button
2. Rubens Barrichello

Red Bull-Renault
3. Sebastian Vettel
4. Mark Webber

Toyota
5. Timo Glock
6. Jarno Trulli

McLaren-Mercedes
7. Lewis Hamilton
8. Hekki Kovalainen

Toro Rosso-Ferrari
9. Sebastien Buemi
10. Sebastien Bourdais

Renault
11. Kimi Raikkonen
12. Romain Grosjean

BMW
14. Robert Kubica
15. Nick Heidfeld

Williams-Toyota
16. Nico Rosberg
17. Nicolas Hülkenberg

Force India-Mercedes
18. Giancarlo Fisichella
19. Bruno Senna

Ferrari
20. Fernando Alonso
21. Felipe Massa

USF1-Cosworth
22. Scott Speed
23. Marco Andretti

Aston Martin
24. Anthony Davidson
25. Vitantonio Liuzzi

Lola-Cosworth
26. Adrian Sutil
27. Adam Carroll

#112 vmk

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 17:31

I can see Lola in next year(if they decide to enter) but USF1 is more likely 2011 unless they buy an existing entry like STR

#113 Lazarus II

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 17:33

Originally posted by Mika Mika
17. Sebastian Sato

I understand that everyone in the pitlane is saying he will be the next "BIG STAR" :lol:

#114 Barramut

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 17:53

Originally posted by CWeil
It amazes me that people think that Karun Chandhok is randomly going to enter F1.

Well, if we take Buemi as a reference, Chand used to run ahead and eventually make a good race.
I think that Fisico spot is not that safe at FI.

#115 juary

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 17:59

Originally posted by Barramut

Well, if we take Buemi as a reference, Chand used to run ahead and eventually make a good race.
I think that Fisico spot is not that safe at FI.


Probably in the next 5/10 years there will be some indian dirvers to evaluate...forget Chandock or Karthikeyan in F1.

#116 William Hunt

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 19:48

Brawn-Mercedes
1. Jenson Button
2. Bruno Senna

Red Bull-Renault
3. Sebastian Vettel
4. Mark Webber

Toyota
5. Timo Glock
6. Kamui Kobayashi

McLaren-Mercedes
7. Lewis Hamilton
8. Hekki Kovalainen

Toro Rosso-Ferrari
9. Sébastien Buemi
10. Brendon Hartley

Renault
11. Romain Grosjean
12. Bruno di Grassi

BMW
14. Robert Kubica
15. Nico Rosberg

Williams-Toyota
16. Kazuki Nakajima
17. Nico Hülkenberg

Force India-Mercedes
18. Adrian Sutil
19. Vittantonio Liuzzi

Ferrari
20. Fernando Alonso
21. Felipe Massa

USF1-Cosworth
22. Rubens Barrichello
23. Graham Rahal

Aston Martin
24. Anthony Davidson
25. Gary Paffett

Lola-Cosworth
26. Nick Heidfeld
27. Giorgio Pantano

Dallara ART-Ferrari
28. Jarno Trulli
29. Takuma Sato

Campos - Cosworth
30. Vitaly Petrov
31. Roldan Rodriguez

DAMS
32. Sébastien Bourdais
33. Jerôme d'Ambrosio

A1-Texeira
34. Neel Jani
35. Felipe Albuquerque

#117 nainz

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 19:48

Only a bit of fun.

Ferrari
Fernando Alonso
Felipe Massa

McLaren
Lewis Hamilton
Timo Glock

Brawn
Jenson Button
Heikki Kovalainen

Renault
Lucas Di Grassi
Romain Grosjean

BMW Sauber
Nick Heidfeld
Kimi Raikkonen/???

Toyota
Robert Kubica
Kazuki Nakajima

Red Bull
Mark Webber
Sebastian Vettel

Toro Rosso
Sebastian Buemi
Tonio Liuzzi/Giorgio Pantano

Williams
Nico Rosberg
Kamui Kobayashi

Force India
Paul di Resta/Gary Paffett
Karun Chandhok

#118 MichaelPM

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 20:00

Originally posted by nainz
Only a bit of fun.

Toyota
Robert Kubica
Kazuki Nakajima

Clearly that one was just for laughs anyway. I really really cannot see Kubica in a Toyota when he obvious disliked BMW's bureaucratic handling of his 2008 championship challenge.

#119 lustigson

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Posted 05 May 2009 - 10:47

Here's my view, without taking rumours into account:

Brawn GP Formula One Team (budget capped)
Brawn BGP002 – Mercedes FO108X
1. Jenson Button
2. Rubens Barrichello

Red Bull Racing
Red Bull RBR6 – Renault RS27
3. Sebastian Vettel
4. Mark Webber

Panasonic Toyota Racing
Toyota TF110 – Toyota RVX-10
5. Jarno Trulli
6. Timo Glock

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes
McLaren MP4-25 – Mercedes FO108X
7. Lewis Hamilton
8. Nico Rosberg

Renault F1 Team (could go for budget cap)
Renault R30 – Renault RS27
9. Fernando Alonso
10. Romain Grosjean

BMW Sauber F1 Team
BMW Sauber F1.10 – BMW P86/10
11. Robert Kubica
12. Nick Heidfeld

Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro
Ferrari F2010 – Ferrari 056
14. Felipe Massa
15. Kimi Räikkönen

AT&T Williams (likely to opt for budget cap)
Williams FW32 – Toyota RVX-10
16. Heikki Kovalainen
17. Kamui Kobayashi

Scuderia Toro Rosso (Red Bull will likely have one of their teams under the budget cap)
Toro Rosso STR5 – Ferrari 056
18. Sébastien Buemi
19. Brendon Hartley

Force India F1 Team
Force India VJM03 – Mercedes FO108X
20. Adrian Sutil
21. Vitantonio Liuzzi

Gulf Aston Martin F1 Team (budget capped)
Aston Martin DBRF1 – Cosworth CA2010
22. Anthony Davidson
23. Lucas Di Grassi

Lola Grand Prix (budget capped)
Lola B10/00 – Cosworth CA2010
24. Giancarlo Fisichella
25. Nico Hülkenberg

ART Dallara Grand Prix (budget capped)
Dallara F1-10 – Cosworth CA2010
26. Bruno Senna
27. Paul Di Resta

USGPE won’t happen. If it would, they should go for Cosworth engines, plus someone like Ryan Hunter-Reay combined with Sébastien Bourdais (no American, but a well-known name in the US with F1 experience).

Same goes iSport, Racing Engineering, Nick Wirth, and Colin Kolles/Franz Himler as realistic new entries, because neither have production facilities, while Prodrive/Aston Martin, Lola and ART/Dallara have.

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Posted 05 May 2009 - 20:45

ART's connected to Dallara? I didn't know about that.

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Posted 05 May 2009 - 21:40

My guess.

Panasonic Toyota Racing
5. Jarno Trulli
6. Fernando Alonso - a stable team able to pay pre-GFC style $50m+ champions spec salary, Alonso will bring the 6 tenths to turn them into regular winners of course


Fernando would make Toyota proud. I wish he was there this year.

#122 lustigson

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 06:32

ART's connected to Dallara? I didn't know about that.

It's on Wikipedia, so it must be true.  ;)

#123 lustigson

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 11:57

Based on recent comments in the press, I've made some changes.

Brawn GP Formula One Team (budget capped)
Brawn BGP002 – Mercedes FO108X
1. Jenson Button
2. Rubens Barrichello

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes (in doubt)
McLaren MP4-25 – Mercedes FO108X
3. Lewis Hamilton
4. Nico Rosberg

Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro (in doubt)
Ferrari F2010 – Ferrari 056
5. Felipe Massa
6. Kimi Räikkönen

Renault F1 Team (in doubt, but could go for budget cap)
Renault R30 – Renault RS27
7. Fernando Alonso
8. Romain Grosjean

BMW Sauber F1 Team (in doubt)
BMW Sauber F1.10 – BMW P86/10
9. Robert Kubica
10. Nick Heidfeld

AT&T Williams (likely to opt for budget cap)
Williams FW32 – Toyota RVX-10
11. Heikki Kovalainen
12. Kamui Kobayashi

Force India F1 Team (likely to opt for budget cap)
Force India VJM03 – Mercedes FO108X
14. Adrian Sutil
15. Vitantonio Liuzzi

US Grand Prix Engineering (budget capped)
USGPE F110 – Cosworth CA2010
16. Ryan Hunter-Reay
17. Sébastien Bourdais

Gulf Aston Martin F1 Team (budget capped)
Aston Martin DBRF1 – Cosworth CA2010
18. Anthony Davidson
19. Lucas Di Grassi

Lola Grand Prix (budget capped)
Lola B10/00 – Cosworth CA2010
20. Giancarlo Fisichella
21. Nico Hülkenberg

So no Toyota, no Red Bull and no Toro Rosso if the current budget cap is upheld, and participation of manufacturer teams highly uncertain. It's likely that of the current crop, only Brawn, Williams and Force India will sign up for 2010.

#124 Owen

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 12:06

So no Toyota, no Red Bull and no Toro Rosso


That's all bluster to try and get concessions from Max on budget capping. I don't think it constitutes a serious threat. Yet.
Also, if you didn't get Toyota and RBR in 2010, you probably wouldn't get Ferrari, McLaren, BMW or Renault either, it's just that they elected not to be so 'forthcoming' about their opinion at this point.

#125 lustigson

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 12:07

That's all bluster to try and get concessions from Max on budget capping. I don't think it constitutes a serious threat. Yet.
Also, if you didn't get Toyota and RBR in 2010, you probably wouldn't get Ferrari, McLaren, BMW or Renault either, it's just that they elected not to be so 'forthcoming' about their opinion at this point.

That's why I added 'in doubt' to their 'entries'.

And I agree that this is all negotiation tactics. But it's fun to speculate. :)

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 12:11

That's why I added 'in doubt' to their 'entries'.

And I agree that this is all negotiation tactics. But it's fun to speculate. :)


Yep, agreed. And seeing that list (with your alterations) makes you realise that F1 really is at a very serious 'crossroads' right now and the implications of a forced budget cap could have very wide ranging implications for the sport and the competitors. Brinksmanship is going on. Hopefully a compromise can be reached between FIA and FOTA but neither party sound all that conciliatory right now.

#127 jokuvaan

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 12:11

TS:
Pitlane rumours are moving Nico into BMW.

#128 lustigson

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 12:12

Pitlane rumours are moving Nico into BMW.

Rosberg or Hülkenberg?

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 13:15

TS:
Pitlane rumours are moving Nico into BMW.

Assuming you're talking about Rosberg, Williams can afford to let him go.

Hulkenberg is right there ready to take advantage, and is likely just as good as Rosberg. Their only problem is that they'd probably be left wanting for somebody with some experience alongside him.

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 14:06

Some more changes basted on Ferrari's and Renault's recent announcements.

Brawn GP Formula One Team (budget capped)
Brawn BGP002 – Mercedes FO108X / Cosworth CA2010
1. Jenson Button
2. Rubens Barrichello

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes (in doubt)
McLaren MP4-25 – Mercedes FO108X
3. Lewis Hamilton
4. Nico Rosberg

BMW Sauber F1 Team (in doubt)
BMW Sauber F1.10 – BMW P86/10
5. Robert Kubica
6. Nick Heidfeld

AT&T Williams (likely to opt for budget cap)
Williams FW32 – Toyota RVX-10 / Cosworth CA2010
7. Heikki Kovalainen
8. Kamui Kobayashi

Force India F1 Team (likely to opt for budget cap)
Force India VJM03 – Mercedes FO108X
9. Adrian Sutil
10. Vitantonio Liuzzi

US Grand Prix Engineering (budget capped)
USGPE F110 – Cosworth CA2010
11. Ryan Hunter-Reay
12. Sébastien Bourdais

Gulf Aston Martin F1 Team (budget capped)
Aston Martin DBRF1 – Cosworth CA2010
14. Anthony Davidson
15. Lucas Di Grassi

Lola Grand Prix (budget capped)
Lola B10/00 – Cosworth CA2010
16. Giancarlo Fisichella
17. Nico Hülkenberg

No Ferrari, no Renault, no Toyota, no Red Bull and no Toro Rosso if the current budget cap is upheld. Participation of the remaining manufacturer teams, i.e. McLaren-Mercedes and BMW Sauber, is highly uncertain. That would leave as little as 6 teams, all under the budget cap, and possibly all with Cosworth power.


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Posted 13 May 2009 - 14:14

^ Where's Webber & Vettel? On hiaitus?



#132 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 14:18

^ Where's Webber & Vettel? On hiaitus?

Presumably they are driving in the IRL? :)

Or if they are suitably capable, they may just be bringing up the rear in the Camping World Truck NASCAR series, as they attempt to join the bridage of superstars in the top flight Cup series there.

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 14:24

If Renault withdraws I think he'll be in one of the new teams, but I still think it's unlikely it withdraws. Anyway do I believe that Red Bull wants two stars in its cars, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Kimi going there.


Kimi's not a star - he's a name. In the same way Anna Kournikova is a name.

Kimi stopped turning in star performances at the end of 2007 when he won his title.



#134 lustigson

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 14:36

^ Where's Webber & Vettel? On hiaitus?

Red Bull won't enter the 2010 season under the rules currently envisioned by the FIA. If FOTA sets up a seperate GP series, both teams and their respective drivers will likely race in that.

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 15:06

Has anyone noticed Fernando's kisses of death? First there were spy scandal of McLaren with Fernando in the team. The team hasn't still recovered. Now, Renault is about to quit F1 when Alonso is driving there. And then there is Ferrari. Fernando is not even driving there, but even rumours seem to have an effect. The leave looks imminent if he ever steps in. Also, Fenando was rumoured to have a drive with Honda. After a while the whole team called it quits. But then something like a miracle happened. Fernando didn't take a drive and went to struggle with Renault ... and the Honda was reborn and they are doing tremendously well.

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 15:08

Has anyone noticed Fernando's kisses of death? First there were spy scandal of McLaren with Fernando in the team. The team hasn't still recovered. Now, Renault is about to quit F1 when Alonso is driving there. And then there is Ferrari. Fernando is not even driving there, but even rumours seem to have an effect. The leave looks imminent if he ever steps in. Also, Fenando was rumoured to have a drive with Honda. After a while the whole team called it quits. But then something like a miracle happened. Fernando didn't take a drive and went to struggle with Renault ... and the Honda was reborn and they are doing tremendously well.


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 15:11

Has anyone noticed Fernando's kisses of death? First there were spy scandal of McLaren with Fernando in the team. The team hasn't still recovered. Now, Renault is about to quit F1 when Alonso is driving there. And then there is Ferrari. Fernando is not even driving there, but even rumours seem to have an effect. The leave looks imminent if he ever steps in. Also, Fenando was rumoured to have a drive with Honda. After a while the whole team called it quits. But then something like a miracle happened. Fernando didn't take a drive and went to struggle with Renault ... and the Honda was reborn and they are doing tremendously well.

Yeah, and don't forget Minardi, that closed shop only 4 years after Alonso drove for the team.
:rolleyes:



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Posted 13 May 2009 - 16:02

MODS do us a favour and 'combine these two threads under here. I know their not silly their stupid, but you know what i mean.

Schumacher sabotages Kimi's car when present at races ???

Rubens is no. 2 but they won't say it!

#139 jokuvaan

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Posted 13 May 2009 - 21:17

Nico Hülkenberg is moving into Williams, contract paper is being finalized at the moment says TS.

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 07:27

Some more changes basted on Ferrari's and Renault's recent announcements.

Brawn GP Formula One Team (budget capped)
Brawn BGP002 – Mercedes FO108X / Cosworth CA2010
1. Jenson Button
2. Rubens Barrichello

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes (in doubt)
McLaren MP4-25 – Mercedes FO108X
3. Lewis Hamilton
4. Nico Rosberg

BMW Sauber F1 Team (in doubt)
BMW Sauber F1.10 – BMW P86/10
5. Robert Kubica
6. Nick Heidfeld

AT&T Williams (likely to opt for budget cap)
Williams FW32 – Toyota RVX-10 / Cosworth CA2010
7. Heikki Kovalainen
8. Kamui Kobayashi

Force India F1 Team (likely to opt for budget cap)
Force India VJM03 – Mercedes FO108X
9. Adrian Sutil
10. Vitantonio Liuzzi

US Grand Prix Engineering (budget capped)
USGPE F110 – Cosworth CA2010
11. Ryan Hunter-Reay
12. Sébastien Bourdais

Gulf Aston Martin F1 Team (budget capped)
Aston Martin DBRF1 – Cosworth CA2010
14. Anthony Davidson
15. Lucas Di Grassi

Lola Grand Prix (budget capped)
Lola B10/00 – Cosworth CA2010
16. Giancarlo Fisichella
17. Nico Hülkenberg

No Ferrari, no Renault, no Toyota, no Red Bull and no Toro Rosso if the current budget cap is upheld. Participation of the remaining manufacturer teams, i.e. McLaren-Mercedes and BMW Sauber, is highly uncertain. That would leave as little as 6 teams, all under the budget cap, and possibly all with Cosworth power.


This list surely looks sad. If it comes true I wont bother following anymore... :|


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Posted 14 May 2009 - 12:29

Here's the entry lists for the 2010 Formula One World Championship and the Grand Prix World Championship:

2010 Formula One World Championship

Brawn GP Formula One Team
Brawn BGP002 – Cosworth CA2010
1. Jenson Button
2. Rubens Barrichello
AT&T Williams
Williams FW32 – Cosworth CA2010
3. Nico Hülkenberg
4. Kazuki Nakajima
Force India F1 Team
Force India VJM03 – Cosworth CA2010
5. Adrian Sutil
6. Vitantonio Liuzzi
US F1 Team
US F1-10 – Cosworth CA2010
7. Ryan Hunter-Reay
8. Sébastien Bourdais
Gulf Aston Martin Racing
Aston Martin DBF1 – Cosworth CA2010
9. Anthony Davidson
10. Giancarlo Fisichella
Lola Grand Prix
Lola B10/00 – Cosworth CA2010
11. Michael Ammermüller
12. Roldán Rodriguez
Litespeed F1 Team
Litespeed R2 – Cosworth CA2010
14. Robbie Kerr
15. Adam Carroll
iSport International
iSport F1A – Cosworth CA2010
16. Bruno Senna
17. Giedo van der Garde
ART Dallara Formula 1
Dallara 110 – Cosworth CA2010
18. Pastor Maldonado
19. Luca Filippi
Racing Engineering
RE 2010 – Cosworth CA2010
20. Giorgio Pantano
21. Javier Villa
Simtek Grand Prix
Simtek S101 – Cosworth CA2010
22. Dani Clos
23. Andreas Zuber

2010 Grand Prix World Championship

Red Bull Racing
Red Bull RB6 – Renault RS27
2. Sebastian Vettel
3. Mark Webber
4. Neel Jani
Panasonic Toyota Racing
Toyota TF110 – Toyota RVX-10
5. Jarno Trulli
6. Timo Glock
7. Kamui Kobayashi
Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro
Ferrari F2010 – Ferrari 056
8. Felipe Massa
9. Kimi Räikkönen
10. Fernando Alonso
Vodafone McLaren Mercedes
McLaren MP4-25 – Mercedes FO110X
11. Lewis Hamilton
12. Nico Rosberg
14. Heikki Kovalainen
Renault F1 Team
Renault R30 – Renault RS27
15. Nelson Piquet
16. Romain Grosjean
17. Lucas Di Grassi
BMW Sauber F1 Team
BMW Sauber F1.10 – BMW P86/10
18. Robert Kubica
19. Nick Heidfeld
20. Christian Klien
Scuderia Toro Rosso
Toro Rosso STR4 – Ferrari 056
21. Sébastien Buemi
22. Brandon Heartly
23. Vitaly Petrov

Edited by lustigson, 15 May 2009 - 07:31.


#142 jeze

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 12:40

If there's no new championship then the F1 drivers will sign for the new teams, so I think the list is only correct if there's no alternative series!

#143 Galko877

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 13:04

Here's the entry lists for the 2010 Formula One World Championship and the Grand Prix World Championship:

2010 Formula One World Championship

Brawn GP Formula One Team
Brawn BGP002 – Cosworth CA2010
1. Jenson Button
2. Rubens Barrichello
AT&T Williams
Williams FW32 – Cosworth CA2010
3. Nico Hülkenberg
4. Kazuki Nakajima
Force India F1 Team
Force India VJM03 – Cosworth CA2010
5. Adrian Sutil
6. Vitantonio Liuzzi
US F1 Team
US F1-10 – Cosworth CA2010
7. Ryan Hunter-Reay
8. Sébastien Bourdais
Gulf Aston Martin Racing
Aston Martin DBF1 – Cosworth CA2010
9. Anthony Davidson
10. Giancarlo Fisichella
Lola Formula 1
Lola B10/00 – Cosworth CA2010
11. Michael Ammermüller
12. Roldán Rodriguez
iSport International
iSport F1A – Cosworth CA2010
14. Bruno Senna
15. Giedo van der Garde
ART Dallara Formula 1
Dallara 110 – Cosworth CA201016. Pastor Maldonado
17. Luca Filippi
Racing Engineering
RE 2010 – Cosworth CA2010
18. Giorgio Pantano
19. Javier Villa
Simtek Grand Prix
Simtek S101 – Cosworth CA2010
20. Dani Clos
21. Andreas Zuber

2010 Grand Prix World Championship

Red Bull Racing
Red Bull RB6 – Renault RS27
2. Sebastian Vettel
3. Mark Webber
4. Neel Jani
Panasonic Toyota Racing
Toyota TF110 – Toyota RVX-10
5. Jarno Trulli
6. Timo Glock
7. Kamui Kobayashi
Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro
Ferrari F2010 – Ferrari 056
8. Felipe Massa
9. Kimi Räikkönen
10. Fernando Alonso
Vodafone McLaren Mercedes
McLaren MP4-25 – Mercedes FO110X
11. Lewis Hamilton
12. Nico Rosberg
14. Heikki Kovalainen
Renault F1 Team
Renault R30 – Renault RS27
15. Nelson Piquet
16. Romain Grosjean
17. Giancarlo Fisichella
BMW Sauber F1 Team
BMW Sauber F1.10 – BMW P86/10
18. Robert Kubica
19. Nick Heidfeld
20. Christian Klien
Scuderia Toro Rosso
Toro Rosso STR4 – Ferrari 056
21. Sébastien Buemi
22. Brandon Heartly
23. Lucas Di Grassi


Fisichella will take part in both Championships? :lol:


#144 Cplus

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 13:08

7 three cars teams - giddyup - that would be awesome.

#145 lustigson

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 14:26

Fisichella will take part in both Championships? :lol:

Oops. :drunk: But you get my point, right?;)

#146 rdebourbon

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 15:28

You can add Litespeed from F3 to the 2010 grid now..
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/75305

And USGP have started working on their 2010 challenger, they expect their current 20 designers (numbers apparently due to expand) to have it ready for manufacturing and windtunnel testing later this year...
http://www.f1sa.com/...c...&Itemid=219

Max should save us, the current teams, and himself a LOT of trouble and just announce that F3 is to be rebranded as F1... Job Done!

#147 CWeil

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 15:39

Nico Hülkenberg is moving into Williams, contract paper is being finalized at the moment says TS.


I'm surprised people have skipped this over- this is a really important piece of rumor. Do they say anything else about it? If anything, this makes me wonder where Rosberg is planning on going (yes, I did see the thing about BMW), because I doubt Williams is going to forsake a free driver in the form of Kobayashi or Nakajima (though I doubt the latter will be in the team next year if it continues as it has). Even if the engines are much cheaper, I'd bet that either driver is more on the payroll of Toyota than Williams. I can't imagine a dual-Nico driver lineup.

#148 Seanspeed

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 15:43

I'm surprised people have skipped this over- this is a really important piece of rumor. Do they say anything else about it? If anything, this makes me wonder where Rosberg is planning on going (yes, I did see the thing about BMW), because I doubt Williams is going to forsake a free driver in the form of Kobayashi or Nakajima (though I doubt the latter will be in the team next year if it continues as it has). Even if the engines are much cheaper, I'd bet that either driver is more on the payroll of Toyota than Williams. I can't imagine a dual-Nico driver lineup.

Williams may not have to pay Nakajima and they may get free engines, but you've also got to wonder how many points(which means $$$) they'll lose out by keeping him on. In the long-term, with cheaper engines, there may be little need for a pay driver when they could have a potential star in the making instead.


#149 muramasa

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 16:10

I'm surprised people have skipped this over- this is a really important piece of rumor. Do they say anything else about it? If anything, this makes me wonder where Rosberg is planning on going (yes, I did see the thing about BMW), because I doubt Williams is going to forsake a free driver in the form of Kobayashi or Nakajima (though I doubt the latter will be in the team next year if it continues as it has). Even if the engines are much cheaper, I'd bet that either driver is more on the payroll of Toyota than Williams. I can't imagine a dual-Nico driver lineup.

why not, cosworth option is still affordable for them. i wouldnt be surprised to see Williams - BMW reunite then get their engine free or at cheaper price. yes they split rather bitterly, but things change quickly in F1. i would like to see that rather than Nakajima another year or Kobayashi (to be fair he still can prove his worth this year tho). or Toyota might still offer cheaper price, if not free, even if they dont choose japanese driver. who knows.



#150 brabham bt50

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 18:00


http://www.auto-moto...rs-1257557.html

and translated its

Rumours that Robert Kubica, because of the dissapointing 2009 F1 start from BMW, is contacting Ferrari and Renault, are
denied by BMW. Kubica has a contract with BMW till the end of the 2010 season.