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#4051 alecc

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 17:21

I think Kubica is the target now. Let's see what happens with Renault.


If Renault stays fo 2010, do you guys remember a situation, that a driver signs a contract, and then changes a team, before the start of the season?
I don't remember such things, and I don't believe in Renaults pullout neither, so... Mercedes - Rosberg-Sutil/Heidfeld, a top team with solid medium drivers :/

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#4052 jack_rabbit

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 17:26

two german at merca ? forget it !

http://formula-one.s...signed-reports/

Fry also backed away from speculation that, with Nico Rosberg almost certain to race with Mercedes GP in 2010, the Stuttgart carmaker is pushing for another German to be his teammate.

"I can confidently say that that is totally incorrect," Fry said. "Clearly a German driver would be nice for them (Mercedes) but we don't need two German drivers, that's not the intent."

Mercedes' Norbert Haug confirmed: "We definitely do not want to have a pure German team. It's an international team and we want to have the best drivers in the car."

Daimler chairman Dieter Zetsche said Mercedes would not "dictate" the identity of the lineup to team boss Ross Brawn.

"We will talk and listen to what he wants to do and typically agree," he said.


So let see....heikki(Finnish), JV (Canadian), PDLR (Spanish), who else ?

#4053 r4mses

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 17:33

So Mercedes (GER) has signed Rosberg (GER) and will sign either Heidfeld (GER) or Sutil (GER) who in a year or two will likely be replaced by Vettel (GER). But they don't want to appear overly German? :drunk:


Well, as apoka mentioned there are no or better alternatives right now. Kimi apparently wanted McLaren or nothing and got the latter, Kubica is at Renault... who else is left on the market and proven to be better than Heidfeld/Sutil? Trulli, Heikki, Kobayashi, Villeneuve (starting to like that idea... :>) ? Sure, unlike Heidfeld and Sutil Heikki and Trulli won a race each... or inherited the win 'cause the leading driver dropped by technical failure and J.P.M. respectively.

Edited by r4mses, 18 November 2009 - 17:36.


#4054 kismet

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 17:35

That's true but it'll look a bit funny anyway.

#4055 craftverk

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 17:37

two german at merca ? forget it !

http://formula-one.s...signed-reports/


So let see....heikki(Finnish), JV (Canadian), PDLR (Spanish), who else ?

Meaning that they don't necessarily want an all German team, that doesn't mean we won't see two German drivers driving Mercedes next year.

#4056 GIBF1

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 17:41

If Sutil gets a ride by Mercedes GP. He don't get hit by Raikkonen in the front anyway.


Good point

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#4057 Man of the race

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 17:47

Meaning that they don't necessarily want an all German team, that doesn't mean we won't see two German drivers driving Mercedes next year.


I agree. That kind of statements are usually given just before a certain action (in this case, two german drivers) happens.

Edited by Man of the race, 18 November 2009 - 17:51.


#4058 robracer

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 17:52

Mercedes should have tried to keep Button. Now it looks like they have two drivers that haven't won any races and I don't think they will challenge for the title in 2010.

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 17:56

Meaning that they don't necessarily want an all German team, that doesn't mean we won't see two German drivers driving Mercedes next year.



....I don´t think so ...sorry, but mr: N Fry, here, is talking about the drivers........"that´s not the intent"...... and I´m pretty sure they all know better than us what´s going on in the market

"I can confidently say that that is totally incorrect," Fry said. "Clearly a German driver would be nice for them (Mercedes) but we don't need two German drivers, that's not the intent."

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#4060 Group B

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 17:58

Well, as apoka mentioned there are no or better alternatives right now. Kimi apparently wanted McLaren or nothing and got the latter, Kubica is at Renault... who else is left on the market and proven to be better than Heidfeld/Sutil? Trulli, Heikki, Kobayashi, Villeneuve ...

Quite. The quotes says they want the best drivers, whatever the nationality, and frankly I see no better options than NH or AS right now. Personally I'd just give it to NH on the basis of experience and consistency, with a view to replacing him in a year or two. Look at the alternatives: Trulli can't race; HK is a nonentity, Koba is cool but needs a year in someone else's car; JVi is a fossil, PdlR is, well, PdlR :well:

#4061 Louis Mr. F1

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 18:01

hey, it's not definite that Jenson will leave Mercedes/Brawn, he's made a U-turn in the past, so don't count it out ..... :drunk:

#4062 alecc

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 18:06

hey, it's not definite that Jenson will leave Mercedes/Brawn, he's made a U-turn in the past, so don't count it out ..... :drunk:


Yes it is definite/official right now, look on other threads :-)

#4063 Louis Mr. F1

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 18:08

Yes it is definite/official right now, look on other threads :-)


yes, but he had confirmed in the past he would be returning to Williams (for 2006) and then back out of the deal. :stoned:

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 18:12

Why not Ant Davidson in the 2nd Merc? Hes the current reserve driver and knows the team/car.

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 18:19

....I don´t think so ...sorry, but mr: N Fry, here, is talking about the drivers........"that´s not the intent"...... and I´m pretty sure they all know better than us what´s going on in the market

"I can confidently say that that is totally incorrect," Fry said. "Clearly a German driver would be nice for them (Mercedes) but we don't need two German drivers, that's not the intent."

Eh? He's obviously saying that Mercedes aren't there just to have an all-German driver lineup, but that doesn't mean they won't have an all-German driver lineup...

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 18:23

Fry also backed away from speculation that, with Nico Rosberg almost certain to race with Mercedes GP in 2010, the Stuttgart carmaker is pushing for another German to be his teammate.
"I can confidently say that that is totally incorrect," Fry said. "Clearly a German driver would be nice for them (Mercedes) but we don't need two German drivers, that's not the intent."
Mercedes' Norbert Haug confirmed: "We definitely do not want to have a pure German team. It's an international team and we want to have the best drivers in the car."
Daimler chairman Dieter Zetsche said Mercedes would not "dictate" the identity of the lineup to team boss Ross Brawn.
"We will talk and listen to what he wants to do and typically agree," he said.



Clearly, being German has and will hurt Heidfeld.
Haug said (to German TV this morning) that Mercedes is trying to find him a seat.
Haug also said that with 6 Germans in F1 next year,is would be nice to have one in every MB customer team. He implied Sutil at FI.
He also said that after Monsa, it seemed clear that Kovi was not going to keep his seat at McLaren. They (MB) tried to influence Ron and MW to consider Rosberg.
McLaren would have none of it. They fully appreciated McLaren's wish to have Kimi back.
They then arranged the driver swop (RB - NR) with Williams. When the Kimi negotiations at McLaren failed, he suggested they look at Heidfeld, which they did. In the end, Haug understands that Jenson with his #1 will have more marketing value for McLaren.
The interviewer pointed out that McLaren has had multiple opportunities to hire a German driver and has never done so. Schumacher, HHF, Heidfeld, Vettel, Rosberg, Glock and Sutil were all available throughout the Mercedes relationship. Was there a reason for this? Haug felt is is just coincidence. Was McLaren's failure to hire a German driver one of the reasons for the disengagement (Trennung) with McLaren? Deffinately NOT.
The interviewer then suggested that Qadbak might get an MB engine for Heidfeld and Haug laughed and said that stranger things have happened in F1.

My take is that they will NOT hire Heidfeld BECAUSE he is German.
I also believe the next move will be to wait for the Renault decision, then go for Kubica.
I'm hard pressed to find a worthwhile non-German driver that's still available.

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 18:24

I wonder if Kimi's McLaren or nothing is all talk if Mercedes really want him. He said he wants to be back in 2011 but what does that mean? There aren't any seats left except Webber's place at Red Bull. By then Red Bull might have lost their upper hand on rest of the grid.

#4068 zarooch

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 18:24

can't heikki get a drive at MercGP ?? :/ I mean he wasn't THAT bad, prolly equal to rosberg if not better, but better than heidfeld?

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 19:19

This thing is gonna collapse soon.

Kimi to Mercedes (In Portuguese)

#4070 klover

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 19:21

This thing is gonna collapse soon.

Kimi to Mercedes (In Portuguese)

What do you mean, the site will crash due to heavy hits? Maybe that was the goal of the headline :rotfl:

#4071 Brawn BGP 001

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 19:21

This thing is gonna collapse soon.

Kimi to Mercedes (In Portuguese)

Yesterday he was gone, now he is set to join Merc, I love the Silly Season. :stoned:

#4072 rodlamas

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 19:24

What do you mean, the site will crash due to heavy hits? Maybe that was the goal of the headline :rotfl:


This BB will collapse due to many discussions (fanboyism).

If Mercedes has really set up with Raikkonen, it was the masterstroke of the the millenium by Norby.

#4073 Brawn BGP 001

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 19:25

If Mercedes has really set up with Raikkonen, it was the masterstroke of the the millenium by Norby.

:up:

#4074 Crafty

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 19:26

can't heikki get a drive at MercGP ?? :/ I mean he wasn't THAT bad, prolly equal to rosberg if not better, but better than heidfeld?



I think most teams would take rosberg or heidfeld before heikki.




#4075 zarooch

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 19:26

i don't think it will be a good decision, I dno't believe mercedes gp will have a championship winning car next season and many share that belief. Moreover I'd stick with what Kimi already announced that is a sabbatical.

#4076 klover

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 19:30

This BB will collapse due to many discussions (fanboyism).

If Mercedes has really set up with Raikkonen, it was the masterstroke of the the millenium by Norby.

If it turns out to be true not only the BB will collapse, some members will commit suicide :rotfl:
Fat Norb is a huge Kimi fan(boy), so was Zetsche, but right now I'd assign a very very low probability to this happening. If anything, TS and Kulta would have picked it up first due to their close ties to Kimi.

#4077 le chat noir

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 19:32

I wonder if Kimi's McLaren or nothing is all talk if Mercedes really want him. He said he wants to be back in 2011 but what does that mean? There aren't any seats left except Webber's place at Red Bull. By then Red Bull might have lost their upper hand on rest of the grid.


there'll also be a seat going at ferrari and renault and possibly merc.

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 19:38

This thing is gonna collapse soon.

Kimi to Mercedes (In Portuguese)


Well, I'm not surprised.
Anybody really believed that Mercedes' dreamteam would be Rosberg + Heidi or Sutil?
:drunk:

#4079 hello86

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 19:40

Well, I'm not surprised.
Anybody really believed that Mercedes' dreamteam would be Rosberg + Heidi or Sutil?
:drunk:


Again...yesterday at Kimi´s OF I read that they (globo TV) said that Kimi will go to Campos :rotfl: I think they have missed the statement of the Robertsons :drunk:
And I thought that now that Kimi is gone all the rumours will have an end? :mad:

Edited by hello86, 18 November 2009 - 19:46.


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#4080 klover

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 19:42

Again...yestday at Kimi´s OF I read that they (globo TV) said that Kimi will go to Campos :rotfl: I think they have missed the statement of the Robertsons :drunk:
And I thought that now that Kimi is gone all the rumours to have an end? :mad:

I wonder if once all seats are filled the "Kimi to..." stories will finally stop at least until the next summer :rolleyes:

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 19:44

This thing is gonna collapse soon.

Kimi to Mercedes (In Portuguese)

How credible is this journo?

#4082 klover

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 20:00

How credible is this journo?

If it's the same one that "revealed" in Oct that Kimi will be confirmed to McLaren "in 48 hours"... not very credible :drunk:

#4083 rodlamas

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 20:00

How credible is this journo?


He knows quite a bunch of people. Yesterday night he confirmed Button at Mclaren, but that's something everybody knew at that time.

And he didn't write some stuff. He said that live on an afternoon program, so I'd give him a bit of credit.

I wouldn't be suprised at all if we see Kimi at Mercedes.

#4084 Mia 01

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 20:03

He knows quite a bunch of people. Yesterday night he confirmed Button at Mclaren, but that's something everybody knew at that time.

And he didn't write some stuff. He said that live on an afternoon program, so I'd give him a bit of credit.

I wouldn't be suprised at all if we see Kimi at Mercedes.


Ross must need him desperatley. If this is thrue, Kimi holds the strongest cards.


#4085 robracer

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 20:04

This thing is gonna collapse soon.

Kimi to Mercedes (In Portuguese)


Not happening. Raikkonen's manager has already said he is taking a year out.

Raikkonen rejects F1 for rallying

They have said McLaren or quit.

Edited by robracer, 18 November 2009 - 20:06.


#4086 hello86

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 20:04

You know what Robertson did announce yesterday? :confused:

I admit I wish this was true but i won´t believe it. Just last week at this time I was sure that Kimi will drive for Macca next year. You all now what happened.

I don´t want to get disappointed again. After all why should a brasilian guy know more about it than the finnish, german and british press :confused:

Nope, nope. Not going to happen. Finally I did overcome the disappointment and begin to get excited about Kimi´s doings at Rally next year.
Now such stupid rumours come out again. :mad:

And it also pissed me off that we haven´t heard any single statement of Kimi :mad: :mad:

Edited by hello86, 18 November 2009 - 20:05.


#4087 klover

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 20:05

He knows quite a bunch of people. Yesterday night he confirmed Button at Mclaren, but that's something everybody knew at that time.

And he didn't write some stuff. He said that live on an afternoon program, so I'd give him a bit of credit.

I wouldn't be suprised at all if we see Kimi at Mercedes.

If TS/Kulta drop a hint within a day or two, then I'll start buying. Right now it seems to sensationalist to be true. Haug did mention that he hopes to get the drivers' situation sorted out soon but he was reluctant to give a specific timeframe - a couple of weeks or year end at the worst. Makes me wonder what they are negotiating about and with who, Heidfeld is a beggar who cannot be a chooser, same for Heikki...

#4088 rodlamas

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 20:11

People like Haug, Dennis, Brawn, Todt, Whitmarsh are much more intelligent than all of us on this BB. They are more than excellent business men and that's why they head top F1 teams and have earned millions of $ throughout their careers.

So for them it doesn't really matter if AMuS or TS is reporting sth, they are really doing their business game and playing their cards.

Earlier today I thought Mclaren had clearly played a masterstroke on Mercedes, but now Norby and Ross prove how good they are and how they can make something out of nowhere, something that was already totally out of our minds.

So, do not cry, do not panic, don't let your fanboyism upflow here... Just let it be and wait for the confirmation that shall follow sooner rather than later.



#4089 klover

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 20:15

Just let it be and wait for the confirmation that shall follow sooner rather than later.

Or it will never come

#4090 RodrigoL

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 20:17

People like Haug, Dennis, Brawn, Todt, Whitmarsh are much more intelligent than all of us on this BB. They are more than excellent business men and that's why they head top F1 teams and have earned millions of $ throughout their careers.

So for them it doesn't really matter if AMuS or TS is reporting sth, they are really doing their business game and playing their cards.

Earlier today I thought Mclaren had clearly played a masterstroke on Mercedes, but now Norby and Ross prove how good they are and how they can make something out of nowhere, something that was already totally out of our minds.

So, do not cry, do not panic, don't let your fanboyism upflow here... Just let it be and wait for the confirmation that shall follow sooner rather than later.


Should it happen, even as a Kimi fan, I think McLaren would end up having the last laugh.
-Brawn car is under-developed for 2010. Macca could easily make a rocketship.
-Macca get #1 and #2 cars. With two WDCs. British WDCs. A PR whore's wet dream, shall we say.
-Mercedes are like the rebound chick. Plus they'd have to pay the salary Macca didn't want to. Again, something to 'brag' about...

Edited by RodrigoL, 18 November 2009 - 20:18.


#4091 r4mses

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 20:20

[...] Makes me wonder what they are negotiating about and with who, Heidfeld is a beggar who cannot be a chooser, same for Heikki...


ye... so it's someone like Kubica, Vettel, M. Schumacher, Kimi... all of them appear to be unlikely. But I can't think of anyone else with whom negotiation might take that long.
The likes of Sutil, Heidfeld, Kovalainen, di Resta or Trulli aren't that hard to get - I think.

#4092 klover

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 20:29

The likes of Sutil, Heidfeld, Kovalainen, di Resta or Trulli aren't that hard to get - I think.


Yeah, those guys will just ask "Where do I sign?"

I bet Mercedes is pissed at Button and McLaren but if they think to get back at McLaren by signing Kimi :rotfl:
(unless he wins the WDC that is but then according to other reports he will be moving to Red Bull in 2011 :lol:
This silly season is getting on my nerves, seriously :down:

#4093 Captain Tightpants

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 22:18

-Macca get #1 and #2 cars. With two WDCs. British WDCs. A PR whore's wet dream, shall we say.

Shame that it does nothing for thir global banding. They'll have a very strong geocentric image in the British Isles and maybe in the odd Commonwealth state, but they're going to struggle if a sponsor is looking to break into new markets.

#4094 Phucaigh

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 22:30

Trulli: "I didn't know about NASCAR until Juan Pablo Montoya made his move, the world has changed and everyone is looking at different Series. I haven't signed with anyone yet and I've talked to teams. My door is open right now."

#4095 Odvan

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 22:43

Should it happen, even as a Kimi fan, I think McLaren would end up having the last laugh.
-Brawn car is under-developed for 2010. Macca could easily make a rocketship.
-Macca get #1 and #2 cars. With two WDCs. British WDCs. A PR whore's wet dream, shall we say.
-Mercedes are like the rebound chick. Plus they'd have to pay the salary Macca didn't want to. Again, something to 'brag' about...

Well I thought the same cause Brawn really struggle since midseason.

But:
- they lose not much and mainly because of driver factor (imagine Kimi, Fred and Lois in Brawn car for a second - they would fight for wins right to the end);
- Ross said they early begin development next year car that's why they started struggle, also problems with integration Mercedes engine;
- Mercedes wants win titles or there are no sense to built own team;
- next year it won't be dramatic rule changing and BGP is very strong aerodynamically, about tyres management;
- Ross Brawn management factor.

And with top driver like Kimi they no doubt will fights for win, perhaps for title(s).

Edited by Odvan, 18 November 2009 - 22:45.


#4096 Paul Prost

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 23:02

Here is something silly:

I'm amazed that Button has yet to re-sign for Brawn. What are the chances of him going to McLaren? He might still be cheaper than Kimi.


A month to the day... not a bad stab in the dark.

Do I get a prize?

#4097 Mandzipop

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 23:04

A month to the day... not a bad stab in the dark.

Do I get a prize?


Its still the 18th. I know because I haven't got my Wii F1 2009 yet (it comes tomorrow :D )

#4098 Paul Prost

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 23:18

Its the 19th where I live!

#4099 Dolph

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 23:22

A month to the day... not a bad stab in the dark.

Do I get a prize?


It's not like it was a "Jenson to McLaren - you heared it here first" kind of post. Your post was more like "Do you think it might be possible to do this?"

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#4100 noikeee

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 00:01

This thing is gonna collapse soon.

Kimi to Mercedes (In Portuguese)


wtf? :confused: :confused: :confused: