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#4201 rodlamas

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 15:48

Raikkonen will NOT be at Mercedes next year.


I agree that Heidfeld can do better than Rosberg. But Rosberg is much more martketable and still has a learning curve for his career.

Heidfeld has been there for 10 years and is looking more towards retirement than to being a top driver on a top team.

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#4202 craftverk

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 15:51

I agree that Heidfeld can do better than Rosberg. But Rosberg is much more martketable and still has a learning curve for his career.

Heidfeld has been there for 10 years and is looking more towards retirement than to being a top driver on a top team.

Barrichello's older.

#4203 alecc

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 16:00

Barrichello's older.


And what's your point? :p
Did Barichello's was ever a No.1 driver in a top-team?

#4204 Madras

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 16:30

McLaren
1. Jenson Button
2. Lewis Hamilton

Red Bull Racing

3. Sebastian Vettel
4. Mark Webber

Williams
5. Rubens Barrichello
6. Nico Hulkenberg

Mercedes

? (Michael Schumacher)
? (Kimi Raikonen, Nick Heidfeld, Nico Rosberg, Paul Di Resta)

Ferrari
Felipe Massa
Fernando Alonso

Renault
Robert Kubica
? (Nick Heidfeld, Nico Rosberg)

Force India
? (Adrian Sutil)
? (Vitantonio Liuzzi, Paul Di Resta)

Toro Rosso
Sebastian Buemi
Jaime Alguersuari

Campos Meta
Bruno Senna
?

Manor
Timo Glock
?

US F1
? (Jose Maria Lopez)
?

Lotus
? (Jarno Trulli)
? (Kamui Kobayashi)

Qadbak
?
?

Edited by Madras, 20 November 2009 - 16:36.


#4205 craftverk

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 16:44

And what's your point? :p
Did Barichello's was ever a No.1 driver in a top-team?

He won two races this year and fought for the championship, was second in the championship standings behind Michael Schumacher in 2002 and 2004.

#4206 metz

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 16:57

Bye bejeebus.. :eek:
E.Jordan's theory is getting legs at various sites now.

1...Schumacher to Mercedes for 1 year only.
2...The Mercedes prize is Vettel, available for '11

#4207 zarooch

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:04

he not available in 2011, not at least acording to lustigon's silly season team's table. He'll be available after 2011, 1st Jan 2012

#4208 Madras

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:07

If Schumacher and Kimi are confirmed at Mercedes it leaves Heidfeld a bit screwed. Rosberg would probably go to Renault.

#4209 sumpthy

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:08

he not available in 2011, not at least acording to lustigon's silly season team's table. He'll be available after 2011, 1st Jan 2012

This is correct but Mercedes are hoping to get him to break his contract if this is true. The only problem is that I can't imagine Red Bull needing the money and if they're more competitive than Mercedes what incentive is there for Seb to try and break the contract.

#4210 metz

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:09

he not available in 2011, not at least acording to lustigon's silly season team's table. He'll be available after 2011, 1st Jan 2012

He suggests they will give RB engines and/or $?

#4211 metz

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:12

If Schumacher and Kimi are confirmed at Mercedes it leaves Heidfeld a bit screwed. Rosberg would probably go to Renault.

Heidfeld always was a pawn in this.
Rosberg is there, he hasn't left Haug's side for all the Button interviews and PR stuff.

#4212 GIBF1

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:15

Bye bejeebus.. :eek:
E.Jordan's theory is getting legs at various sites now.

1...Schumacher to Mercedes for 1 year only.


Whoa, whoa, have i missed something here ?

#4213 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:19

yep, its heading to the ultimate team. Nico hasn't been signed yet so he gets pawned off and its Schumie and Kimi at Merc for 2010 ;)

#4214 Psymon

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:19

Whoa, whoa, have i missed something here ?


http://news.bbc.co.u...one/8368107.stm

EJ talking about how he thinks MS will be at Merc next year... He makes sure he gets MS starting in F1 at Jordan in there too of course :p

#4215 glorius&victorius

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:23

http://news.bbc.co.u...one/8368107.stm

EJ talking about how he thinks MS will be at Merc next year... He makes sure he gets MS starting in F1 at Jordan in there too of course :p



IF this thing would happen i wonder about the nr 1. nr 2 driver status... would rosberg be relegated to nr. 2?

#4216 Conny_Mary

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:25

More and more complicated! :drunk: :stoned:

#4217 GIBF1

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:27

http://news.bbc.co.u...one/8368107.stm


Nah, Michael wouldn't.......would he ?

:lol:

#4218 Mia 01

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:27

I am a bit ashamed if Nick again gets the short stick againts Kimi, but
that is the life in F1. I value Nick highly, which some don't understand
since I sing praises for Kimi even more. However, I think Nick truly is
the most underrated F1 driver of current crop. If it weren't for the fact
that he seems to vie for same seat as Kimi (again) I'd back him 100%!


Yes, same here.

He has beaten Robert two years in a row, but the former gets all attention.


#4219 craftverk

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:27

Guys, Eddie Jordan is a cock, he spews out crap like this for attention. Still can't believe the BBC employed him.

Edited by craftverk, 20 November 2009 - 17:28.


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#4220 Sakae

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:28

Bye bejeebus.. :eek:
E.Jordan's theory is getting legs at various sites now.

1...Schumacher to Mercedes for 1 year only.
2...The Mercedes prize is Vettel, available for '11

Oh my Lord, you mean I can wake up and watch F1 again? I am getting a new TV the minute MS is confirmed.

Edited by MiPe, 20 November 2009 - 17:28.


#4221 GIBF1

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:29

but the former gets all attention.


Which bemuses me, i don't see what all the hype is about

The bloke moans more than my missus

#4222 GIBF1

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:30

Guys, Eddie Jordan is a cock, he spews out crap like this for attention. Still can't believe the BBC employed him.


I think he's good value on the telly myself, no BS, and isn't afraid to make peope feel awkward to get an answer

#4223 Nuvol

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:33

Yes, same here.

He has beaten Robert two years in a row, but the former gets all attention.



He is 32 y old and how many races he has won? 0. That is all. Robert is the future not Nick :]

Edited by Nuvol, 20 November 2009 - 17:33.


#4224 robracer

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:42

Heidfeld is better than Kubica. Fact.
Michael Schumacher will not race in F1 again. Fact.

#4225 THE "driverider"

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 17:56

If I had things my way without being able to change the confirmed drivers the grid would look like this.

McLaren
1. Jenson Button
2. Lewis Hamilton

Mercedes
3. Michael Schumacher
4. Kimi Raikkonen

Red Bull
5. Sebastian Vettel
6. Mark Webber

Ferrari
7. Felipe Massa
8. Fernando Alonso

Qadbak
9. Nick Heidfeld
10. Giancarlo Fisichella

Williams
11. Rubens Barrichello
12. Nico Hulkenberg

Renault
14. Robert Kubica
15. Nico Rosberg

Force India
16. Adrian Sutil
17. Paul di Resta

Toro Rosso
18. Sebastien Buemi
19. Jaime Alguersuari

US F1
20. Heikki Kovalainen
21. Graham Rahal

Campos
22. Bruno Senna
23. Vitaly Petrov

Manor
24. Timo Glock
25. Anthony Davidson

Lotus
26. Jarno Trulli
27. Kamui Kobayashi

#4226 craftverk

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 18:02

I think he's good value on the telly myself, no BS, and isn't afraid to make peope feel awkward to get an answer

no BS? the way he sucks up to people is disgusting...


Anyhow, Schumacher won't return, EJ can shut up.

#4227 Sakae

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 18:55

If I had things my way without being able to change the confirmed drivers the grid would look like this.

McLaren
1. Jenson Button
2. Lewis Hamilton

Mercedes
3. Michael Schumacher
4. Kimi Raikkonen

Red Bull
5. Sebastian Vettel
6. Mark Webber

Ferrari
7. Felipe Massa
8. Fernando Alonso

Qadbak
9. Nick Heidfeld
10. Giancarlo Fisichella

Williams
11. Rubens Barrichello
12. Nico Hulkenberg

Renault
14. Robert Kubica
15. Nico Rosberg

Force India
16. Adrian Sutil
17. Paul di Resta

Toro Rosso
18. Sebastien Buemi
19. Jaime Alguersuari

US F1
20. Heikki Kovalainen
21. Graham Rahal

Campos
22. Bruno Senna
23. Vitaly Petrov

Manor
24. Timo Glock
25. Anthony Davidson

Lotus
26. Jarno Trulli
27. Kamui Kobayashi

OK I bite; will Kubica or Nico have upper hand?

#4228 JSDSKI

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 18:55

If I were Mercedes/Brawn, I'd take some of that cash Button left on the table and write Renault a little check to place R. Kubica into the Mercedes for a year or two.

Wouldn't it be great to see Kubica in a truly (no pun intended) competitive car! That would really shake things up.

#4229 GIBF1

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 19:09

OK I bite; will Kubica or Nico have upper hand?


Rosberg is better IMO

#4230 GIBF1

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 19:10

no BS? the way he sucks up to people is disgusting...


Anyhow, Schumacher won't return, EJ can shut up.


Calm down, you'll have a coranary

#4231 skipper

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 19:15

Heidfeld is better than Kubica. Fact.


Fact? I don't think so.
But maybe in your dreams?
Heidfeld is a very decent driver, but that's all. He isn't WDC material. Kubica probably is. That's the facts...


#4232 Mia 01

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 19:16

He is 32 y old and how many races he has won? 0. That is all. Robert is the future not Nick :]

The last two years he got the chance to prove that, against Nick I mean.


#4233 Mia 01

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 19:18

Rosberg is better IMO


Yes. He is on par with Jenson.


#4234 Walsingham

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 19:26

Yes, same here.

He has beaten Robert two years in a row, but the former gets all attention.



O'rly? What you where smoking in 2008?

In 2009 Kubica outqualified Heidfeld, 2 points of Heidfeld's advantege in a seeason when one of them scored 25% of all points in one race and the other 50% of points in 1 race while having the highest level of reliability dnf's is meaningless. Go check team bosses drivers ranking and tell me where is Heidfeld in it.

#4235 GIBF1

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 19:30

Yes. He is on par with Jenson.


:p

#4236 robracer

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 19:37

Fact? I don't think so.
But maybe in your dreams?
Heidfeld is a very decent driver, but that's all. He isn't WDC material. Kubica probably is. That's the facts...


Show me evidence that Kubica has shown the potential to be a future WDC. :well:
He has beaten Heidfeld in one out of three years they were teammates and Kubica only outscored Nick by 15 points the year he was ahead. Fact.

Edited by robracer, 20 November 2009 - 19:38.


#4237 Walsingham

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 19:39

Show me evidence that Kubica has shown the potential to be a future WDC. :well:


He scored as much points in BMW as Raikkonen in Ferrari in 2008. Fact.

#4238 Mia 01

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 19:44

:cool:

:p



#4239 JSDSKI

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 19:45

Show me evidence that Kubica has shown the potential to be a future WDC. :well:
He has beaten Heidfeld in one out of three years they were teammates and Kubica only outscored Nick by 15 points the year he was ahead. Fact.


In today's Autosport from Mark Hughes regarding Kubica and the general opinion in the paddock: "He made a brief but sensational appearance at Monza, not only rescuing a seventh-gear moment on the grass, where Vettel had put him, but making the pass too. Nick Heidfeld was of a high enough standard that Kubica wasn't always the team's cutting edge, and the current generation of control tyres have neutralised his ability to carry huge speed into medium and slow-speed corners, but the peaks of his season were those of a very special talent and there is not a single one of his opponents who doesn't recognise his level. He is the one they all worry about getting in a competitive car.

Seems F1 values Kubica more than many posters believe ....

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#4240 Mia 01

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 19:46

Show me evidence that Kubica has shown the potential to be a future WDC. :well:
He has beaten Heidfeld in one out of three years they were teammates and Kubica only outscored Nick by 15 points the year he was ahead. Fact.


Fully agreed.


#4241 skipper

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 19:50

Show me evidence that Kubica has shown the potential to be a future WDC. :well:
He has beaten Heidfeld in one out of three years they were teammates and Kubica only outscored Nick by 15 points the year he was ahead. Fact.


2008 season.

Besides, in that seasons where Heidfeld had more points than Kubica, Kubica had much more problems with car.
Take a look:
Kubica 2007 season - rubbish engineer, rubbish gearbox and rubbish electronics, and much more.
2009 season - BMW crap, blown engines, turned down engines, KERS...And Australia (where Kubica could win).

#4242 Mia 01

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 19:50

He scored as much points in BMW as Raikkonen in Ferrari in 2008. Fact.


Don´t hide, Bobby is superior to Kimi.

Then the rest is obvious, bobby and Nico to Mercedes.

Why didn´t they ask him in the first place?

And why is Nick a contender?


#4243 Lukin83

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 20:59

I guess the forum need a sticky thread about Kubica and Heidfeld where this discussion could go on forever. Chill out people, you won't force anyone to change her/his mind anyway.

#4244 BMW_F1

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 21:05

I gotta tell you. this silly season is great.. You now have Shumi talking to Mercedes and JV training in Austria getting in shape for his comeback..

#4245 Nuvol

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 21:07

JV :lol2: :lol: :rotfl: Bring back Yamamoto so he could drive a wheel to wheel with somebody at least

#4246 Mia 01

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 21:14

I gotta tell you. this silly season is great.. You now have Shumi talking to Mercedes and JV training in Austria getting in shape for his comeback..


MS. Not talking.


#4247 GIBF1

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 21:28

JV training in Austria getting in shape for his comeback..


As if this silly season couldn't get any more silly, i go for a shower come back and i read Jacques is training to make a comeback. I saw him say he was looking for a seat and he reckoned he was close to joining a team but i thought he was full of shit

I hear Sir Jackie Stewart is pounding the streets as we speak trying to get in shape, it wouldn't surprise me

You couldn't make it up

:lol:

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 21:42

JV :lol2: :lol: :rotfl: Bring back Yamamoto so he could drive a wheel to wheel with somebody at least


cmon man. Like JV isn't the bravest out there?

#4249 K-One

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 21:44

USF1 has signed Summerton?

#4250 postajegenye

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 21:47

USF1 has signed Summerton?


Source?