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#1 Madras

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 11:48

Someone on James Allen's blog posted this translation of Andrea Stella's (Raikkonen's race engineer) comments to a Finnish paper:

Kimi can extract more from his car on his own that with the help of our engineering advice." "From this point of view he is better than Michael. Earlier when I worked with Michael we had to explain him every data that the computers showed in order to be able to improve lap times. Kimi simple does not need such an information he has the ability and skills to feel those things.


Better than Schumacher :cool:

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#2 Henrytheeigth

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 11:50

And yet with kers and lewis without kers kimi couldnt get a podium today....

#3 Madras

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 11:52

And yet with kers and lewis without kers kimi couldnt get a podium today....


Well they were in different cars and there was only about 4 laps left.

#4 Spunout

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 11:54

Someone on James Allen's blog posted this translation of Andrea Stella's (Raikkonen's race engineer) comments to a Finnish paper:



Better than Schumacher :cool:


He is better than Schumacher from this point of view. OTOH Schumacher was propably better at working with engineers and finding more speed in that way. No driver is or was the best at everything.


#5 Dolph

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 11:54

Someone on James Allen's blog posted this translation of Andrea Stella's (Raikkonen's race engineer) comments to a Finnish paper:



Better than Schumacher :cool:


1 vs. 7 :p

#6 Henrytheeigth

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 11:55

Well they were in different cars and there was only about 4 laps left.


Thats when that fake icream cone would have been of use! :rotfl:

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 11:56

So finally it is settled : Kimi is better than Schumi.

Now, Kimi only needs to win 6 more titles and 73 more races.




Crickets........

#8 hello86

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 11:58

Why do people assume that he is dumb? :confused:



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Posted 04 October 2009 - 11:58

This this is the reason why I don't want Kimi to go back to McLaren.












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#10 Madras

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:05

Why do people assume that he is dumb? :confused:


Because he doesnt really speak much.

#11 Henrytheeigth

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:07

Because he doesnt really speak much.


Wow I talk to much! People must think of me as a scholar! :lol:

#12 P123

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:08

Wow I talk to much! People must think of me as a scholar! :lol:


:rotfl:

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:11

So finally it is settled : Kimi is better than Schumi.

Now, Kimi only needs to win 6 more titles and 73 more races.




Crickets........




:rotfl: :rotfl:

#14 stevewf1

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:13

Why do people assume that he is dumb? :confused:


Have no idea. He's driving in Formula 1, driving for Ferrari, won the World Championship and getting what, $50 million a year... He's sure a hell of a lot smarter than me... :)

#15 R2D2

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:17

Because he doesnt really speak much.

Confucius: "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

#16 Henrytheeigth

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:19

Confucius: "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."


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#17 jcbc3

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:21

That's not Confucius

#18 Henrytheeigth

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:25

That's not Confucius


lol i didnt quote confucious :p

#19 jcbc3

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:29

What I meant was that it isn't an original Confusius saying. Sorry, for being unclear.

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#20 Henrytheeigth

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:30

What I meant was that it isn't an original Confusius saying. Sorry, for being unclear.



Oh haha well he of course is just joking....

#21 Madras

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:31

What I meant was that it isn't an original Confusius saying. Sorry, for being unclear.


Neither are these:

Confusious say. . .



"Man who drop watch in toilet have shitty time."

"Man trapped in pantry have ass in jam."

"Virgin like balloon. . . one prick, all gone."

"Baseball wrong. . . man with four balls cannot walk."

"Baby conceived in automatic car shiftless bastard."

"Man who smoke pot choke on handle."

"Ok for shit to happen. . . will decompose."

"Secretary becomes permanent fixture when screwed on desk."

"Don't drink and park, accidents cause people."

"He who crosses the ocean twice without washing is a dirty double crosser."

"Man who tell one to many light bulb jokes soon burn out."

"It takes many nails to build crib, but one screw to fill it."

"Never raise hands to angry child, it leave groin exposed."

"Woman who cooks carrots and pees in same pot is unsanitary."

"Man who keep feet firmly on ground have trouble putting on pants."

"Man who runs behind car gets exhausted."

"War not determine who's right, war determines who's left."

#22 as65p

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:34

This this is the reason why I don't want Kimi to go back to McLaren.












HIS FANS ARE NUTTIER THAN SQUIRREL POO. VETTEL'S FANS ARE NO BETTER

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I tell you a secret. Nobodies fans are any better, viewed as a group.


#23 The Truth

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:38

Kimi can extract more from his car on his own that with the help of our engineering advice." "From this point of view he is better than Michael. Earlier when I worked with Michael we had to explain him every data that the computers showed in order to be able to improve lap times. Kimi simple does not need such an information he has the ability and skills to feel those things.


He obviously couldnt feel those things good enough because he was slower thsn Schumacher. Maybe if he had payed more attention like Michael he would have been able to outpace massa and not be sacked.

Its funny reading all this crap about Kimi, being in another class in highspeed corners, doing things to the car the engineers didnt think was possible, not needing engineering advice because of his special feel, when his performance was no better than felipe massa. Sounds like hogwash to me. If it was all true Kimi should have trounced massa not been sacked. I guess it keeps Kimi fans happy.

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:44

He obviously couldnt feel those things good enough because he was slower thsn Schumacher. Maybe if he had payed more attention like Michael he would have been able to outpace massa and not be sacked.

Its funny reading all this crap about Kimi, being in another class in highspeed corners, doing things to the car the engineers didnt think was possible, not needing engineering advice because of his special feel, when his performance was no better than felipe massa. Sounds like hogwash to me. If it was all true Kimi should have trounced massa not been sacked. I guess it keeps Kimi fans happy.


Yes, you know it better than Formula 1 engineers and thats why you are trolling in internet forums. :rotfl: :rotfl:


#25 ZZei

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:50

He obviously couldnt feel those things good enough because he was slower thsn Schumacher. Maybe if he had payed more attention like Michael he would have been able to outpace massa and not be sacked.

Its funny reading all this crap about Kimi, being in another class in highspeed corners, doing things to the car the engineers didnt think was possible, not needing engineering advice because of his special feel, when his performance was no better than felipe massa. Sounds like hogwash to me. If it was all true Kimi should have trounced massa not been sacked. I guess it keeps Kimi fans happy.

Life is complicated you know. I think ferraris engineers know things a little bit better than you. And do you have any evidence of schumi beeing faster than raikkonen. Of course schumi was faster than massa in 2006, he had been in that ferrari for how many years and the car was built around him, while it was massas debut at ferrari. And yet the almighty schumi was occasionally slower than massa.
But dont let these little details change your opinion, all my talking is crap and only you know the one and only TRUTH


#26 Just waiting

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:50

Someone on James Allen's blog posted this translation of Andrea Stella's (Raikkonen's race engineer) comments to a Finnish paper:

Kimi can extract more from his car on his own that with the help of our engineering advice." "From this point of view he is better than Michael. Earlier when I worked with Michael we had to explain him every data that the computers showed in order to be able to improve lap times. Kimi simple does not need such an information he has the ability and skills to feel those things


Better than Schumacher :cool:

Actually just the opposite, it explains why MS had so many WDCs and kimi only one, and that one came when MS and his crew left him with an excellent set up and all he had to do was drive....if MS had been there another season, WDC would have been his, easy, :up: .....

And it explains why the car has been on a downward spiral every since, and the problems of car set up and development with Kimi :down:

Edited by Just waiting, 04 October 2009 - 12:51.


#27 The Truth

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:53

Yes, you know it better than Formula 1 engineers and thats why you are trolling in internet forums. :rotfl: :rotfl:


My point is , his on track performances dont match all the magical fantasy crap we hear he can do. Im pretty sure its all made up by finnish media, I havent seen any direct quotes anyway. Its the kind of stuff HSJ dreams up.

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:57

Why do people assume that he is dumb? :confused:

Because people aren't dumb and have the ability to judge ? He is certainly not that industrious with his thoughts.

#29 The Truth

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 12:59

Life is complicated you know. I think ferraris engineers know things a little bit better than you. And do you have any evidence of schumi beeing faster than raikkonen. Of course schumi was faster than massa in 2006, he had been in that ferrari for how many years and the car was built around him, while it was massas debut at ferrari. And yet the almighty schumi was occasionally slower than massa.
But dont let these little details change your opinion, all my talking is crap and only you know the one and only TRUTH


Ye Im sure massa suddenly found a bundle of speed over an off season. If Kimi had such great feel and didnt need engineering advice he wouldnt have been complaining the car didnt suit him for almost 3 years. Perhaps he shouldnt have been so lazy and payed more attention. If this quote is true I think its the engineer trying to say in a nice way that kimi is too lazy or technically weak to listen to the engineers and does his own thing. Pretty good spin I must say.

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 13:02

Ye Im sure massa suddenly found a bundle of speed over an off season. If Kimi had such great feel and didnt need engineering advice he wouldnt have been complaining the car didnt suit him for almost 3 years. Perhaps he shouldnt have been so lazy and payed more attention. If this quote is true I think its the engineer trying to say in a nice way that kimi is too lazy or technically weak to listen to the engineers and does his own thing. Pretty good spin I must say.

:up:

yeah what kimi really needed was david couthard as a teamate or rubens to help him out.......instead he got massa who prefers understeer so it seems......

#31 grunge

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 13:03

i dont think anybody considers him dumb really...
on the subject of car development and setups,whitmarsh came out with very strong comments not so long ago

"The fact is, he is very sensitive to what makes a car quicker and is very intelligent -- he just doesn't always give it all away," said the Briton, referring to Raikkonen, who raced for the Mercedes-powered team between 2002 and 2006.

"Based on my experience of when he was here he was a very committed development driver. When he spoke those few words they were always very valuable,"



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Posted 04 October 2009 - 13:07

Ye Im sure massa suddenly found a bundle of speed over an off season. If Kimi had such great feel and didnt need engineering advice he wouldnt have been complaining the car didnt suit him for almost 3 years. Perhaps he shouldnt have been so lazy and payed more attention. If this quote is true I think its the engineer trying to say in a nice way that kimi is too lazy or technically weak to listen to the engineers and does his own thing. Pretty good spin I must say.

:rotfl: Whatever, everybody who says michael was the most succesful driver ever must mean he was a total rat. Nice spin indeed. Expect that there isnt any logic to follow. Exactly like your post where every single fact is wrong.

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 13:43

He obviously couldnt feel those things good enough because he was slower thsn Schumacher. Maybe if he had payed more attention like Michael he would have been able to outpace massa and not be sacked.

Its funny reading all this crap about Kimi, being in another class in highspeed corners, doing things to the car the engineers didnt think was possible, not needing engineering advice because of his special feel, when his performance was no better than felipe massa. Sounds like hogwash to me. If it was all true Kimi should have trounced massa not been sacked. I guess it keeps Kimi fans happy.


:up:


#34 Mauseri

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 14:26

Why do people assume that he is dumb? :confused:

Because he doesn't care what people think of him.

I think the general IQ of F1 drivers isn't very high, but propably not brain damaged either...

#35 The Truth

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 14:31

:rotfl: Whatever, everybody who says michael was the most succesful driver ever must mean he was a total rat. Nice spin indeed. Expect that there isnt any logic to follow. Exactly like your post where every single fact is wrong.


My post is 100% right, and Michael WAS the most successful driver ever.

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 16:28

Why do people assume that he is dumb? :confused:



Thank god his manager is not dumb. 65M€ for not driving. That is brilliant. In the other hand those bossmans in Ferrari...

#37 Buckethead

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 16:37

I think I came up with greatest joke ever.

- Kimi isn't Iceman anymore, he is waterman.
- why?
- because Iceman got FIRED
- lol

#38 BiH

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 16:40

Someone on James Allen's blog posted this translation of Andrea Stella's (Raikkonen's race engineer) comments to a Finnish paper:



Better than Schumacher :cool:



:rotfl: at the title of thread...what a dumb topic....its well known that kimi doesn't talk that much and this hasn't hurt him from being one of the best drivers.

i.e.
kimi on radio: turn 2 understeer
schumacher: turn 2 understeer as i turn my wheel at 32.3 degree angle and apply 88.7% throttle

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 16:42

Because he doesn't care what people think of him.

I think the general IQ of F1 drivers isn't very high, but propably not brain damaged either...


Why would the IQ of F1 drivers be any different than that of the general public?

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 16:52

I think I came up with greatest joke ever.

- Kimi isn't Iceman anymore, he is waterman.
- why?
- because Iceman got FIRED
- lol


Buckethead by name, a buckethead by nature

Edited by mountford, 04 October 2009 - 16:52.


#41 Apex

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 16:54

He obviously couldnt feel those things good enough because he was slower thsn Schumacher. Maybe if he had payed more attention like Michael he would have been able to outpace massa and not be sacked.

Its funny reading all this crap about Kimi, being in another class in highspeed corners, doing things to the car the engineers didnt think was possible, not needing engineering advice because of his special feel, when his performance was no better than felipe massa. Sounds like hogwash to me. If it was all true Kimi should have trounced massa not been sacked. I guess it keeps Kimi fans happy.

:p :p :p

It really hurt's when you hear people make positive comments about drivers other than Alonso, doesn't it?

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 17:04

:up:

yeah what kimi really needed was david couthard as a teamate or rubens to help him out.......instead he got massa who prefers understeer so it seems......

DC did better with an understeering car.

#43 Spunout

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 17:59

He obviously couldnt feel those things good enough because he was slower thsn Schumacher.


I´m sorry to break the news down for ya, but Schumi cancelled his comeback to F1.

Unless you´re talking about teammate cross-comparisons. By now, after years of "proving" and "facts" from Arrow and his 50 aliases, we know how well that method works...


#44 Arn

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 18:17

We will never find out if Kimi or Schumacher is faster and it was Schumacher who wanted it so.

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 18:22

Unless many f1 fans are persons who badly need a 'wild, blonde and cool' hero I will never understand why Raikkonen got the fame he earned. Even after being beaten by Massa (who was and still sometimes is considered a poor driver), people would come up with all sorts of odd explanations for Raikkonen's lack of efficiency.

My view is that Raikkonen is rather fast, but that he takes time to get into his stride. Hence his poor performance in qualifying and his inability to get results (because you cannot overtake, these days, you're stuck no matter how fast you are). I'm basing this judgment on an exam (a cursory one) of his laps.

But for the rest, I really think it is his Persona that enchants young people.

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 18:42

Unless many f1 fans are persons who badly need a 'wild, blonde and cool' hero I will never understand why Raikkonen got the fame he earned. Even after being beaten by Massa (who was and still sometimes is considered a poor driver), people would come up with all sorts of odd explanations for Raikkonen's lack of efficiency.

My view is that Raikkonen is rather fast, but that he takes time to get into his stride. Hence his poor performance in qualifying and his inability to get results (because you cannot overtake, these days, you're stuck no matter how fast you are). I'm basing this judgment on an exam (a cursory one) of his laps.

But for the rest, I really think it is his Persona that enchants young people.



Back to coffin then. Sleep well.




#47 shonguiz

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 18:53

Not the first time that this Stella guy insists how much Kimi is supposed to be better in certain areas than michael.

#48 Orrelto

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 18:57

Someone on James Allen's blog posted this translation of Andrea Stella's (Raikkonen's race engineer) comments to a Finnish paper:
"Kimi can extract more from his car on his own that with the help of our engineering advice." "From this point of view he is better than Michael. Earlier when I worked with Michael we had to explain him every data that the computers showed in order to be able to improve lap times. Kimi simple does not need such an information he has the ability and skills to feel those things."


Well, he obviously can't "feel" an understeering car, so maybe he should work with his engineers a bit more.

#49 kismet

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 19:01

Laugh and mock all you want but I don't think it's entirely inconceivable that even someone like Kimi Räikkönen might have some redeeming qualities as a driver.

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 19:03

Not the first time that this Stella guy insists how much Kimi is supposed to be better in certain areas than michael.


Maybe he is one of Kimi's fanboys from this forum :rotfl: