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#6701 jetalt

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 19:23

F10's front slot diffuser:

http://photos.gpupda...arge/160950.jpg

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#6702 Ferrari2183

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 19:28

F10's front slot diffuser:

http://photos.gpupda...arge/160950.jpg

What exactly are we looking for?

#6703 jetalt

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 19:40

What exactly are we looking for?


In this pic you can see the slot through the exhaust gases, "feeding" the first level of the diffuser.

Edited by jetalt, 27 August 2010 - 19:42.


#6704 Seanspeed

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 00:54

So it seems the rumours were true... 'new fuel' and more (lubricants?). Though they haven't tried them in FP1.
From FA's mouth after the FP1:

http://www.efectosue.../#comment-26582

Interesting..... :D

#6705 F.M.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 09:08

Aldo Costa:

- On the new front wings test: "For the wings we are using here at Spa, we have not made any modifications, because they are okay. The high downforce front wing we have will require some small adjustments though."

- On the nes (Monza) floor test: "There is also a new requirement for the plank, which requires modifications for every car I believe. We had a slightly shorter plank [than the new minimum 1 metre length].
The offset load is a pretty severe load in that position, so all the teams that have got a single strut in the middle will have to do some changes. It is not only for a few teams – I think it is a change of all the specifications in F1."


#6706 Mastah

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 09:37

New engines for both drivers, so 2 units must survive Saturdays and Sundays in Belgium, Italy, Singapore, Japan, Korea and Brazil, with possibility to use old motor in Abu Dhabi. I'm really worried about last GP in that case :|.

#6707 Mika Mika

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 09:42

both cars using the old wing in FP3 - Mclaren are quicker in all 3 sectors...

#6708 Massa

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 09:44

and what ? It's free pratice.

#6709 jonathanknevels

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 09:45

I hope ferrari were running heavy :(

#6710 gaston_foix

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 09:47

WOOOW what is that, we were owned in all 3 sectors by McLaren...

#6711 F.M.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 09:54

New engines for both drivers, so 2 units must survive Saturdays and Sundays in Belgium, Italy, Singapore, Japan, Korea and Brazil, with possibility to use old motor in Abu Dhabi. I'm really worried about last GP in that case :|.

They (at least Massa) still has one or two used race engines that haven't reached it's mileage yet. Spa is just a circuit you'd like to have a fresh engine for :)

#6712 Mackey

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:06

Not looking good. Hope it rains in Qualy.

#6713 TURU

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:11

Not looking good. Hope it rains in Qualy.


Maybe it was just fuel, but it seems that Ferrari has a problem with softer compound. Alonso didn't improve on them, did he ??

#6714 gaston_foix

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:16

Maybe it was just fuel, but it seems that Ferrari has a problem with softer compound. Alonso didn't improve on them, did he ??

Him and Vettel improved. But not Hamilton and Webber.

#6715 GPmaster

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:27

Ferrari has quitted FP3 early because the rain?

#6716 Ferrari2183

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:39

I missed FP3, Hangover... How much dry running?

#6717 F.M.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:44

Him and Vettel improved. But not Hamilton and Webber.

Webber only did one run during FP3, on hards.

#6718 Andy865

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:47

nah, he did a few laps on softs as well. not looking too good compared to yesterday. they seemed to have migrated towards a lower DF set-up with the older wing package. maybe if it rains they will go back to a higher DF level and they will be more competative.

#6719 F.M.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:48

nah, he did a few laps on softs as well. not looking too good compared to yesterday. they seemed to have migrated towards a lower DF set-up with the older wing package. maybe if it rains they will go back to a higher DF level and they will be more competative.

If he ran the soft tyres, that's the only tyre he used. He did only one run http://fia.com/en-GB...sion3-times.pdf

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#6720 gaston_foix

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:51

It's raining now. Dunno why but I think we need rain... I don't know what's bad with the car but we weren't good in the S2 also

#6721 Mackey

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 11:33

Marc Gene pretty downbeat, saying Alonso thinks 5th-6th is the maximum in the dry :(

Edited by Mackey, 28 August 2010 - 11:34.


#6722 GPmaster

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:07

Crap, 10th for Alonso. Bad strategy?

#6723 Massa

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:08

Alonso had a setup for wet i think

#6724 gaston_foix

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:08

Why is so slow in the S1. What a ****ing strategy they cooked for Alonso? If is not raining tomorrow what he will do? He will be a sitting duck for anyone in the longer straights...

Edited by gaston_foix, 28 August 2010 - 13:09.


#6725 NeilMick

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:09

Why is so slow in the S1. What a ****ing strategy they cooked for Alonso?


Will be interesting to see the speed trap times and see if he was running more wing for a wet setup.

#6726 gaston_foix

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:11

Alonso had a setup for wet i think

So had Webbo in China and all were passing him...

#6727 GPmaster

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:14

McLaren found really something in the 2nd sector, Ferrari was a lot faster there in FP1 and FP2. Alonso was nowhere. Lets pray for some heavy rain tomorrow.

Edited by GPmaster, 28 August 2010 - 13:15.


#6728 Mika Mika

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:15

Why is so slow in the S1. What a ****ing strategy they cooked for Alonso? If is not raining tomorrow what he will do? He will be a sitting duck for anyone in the longer straights...


It was raining at la source he prob just made a mistake. I think loosing the 3 element flex wing has really hurt the F10

#6729 Ferrari2183

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:28

What I fail to understand is why they didn't beef up the wing because they knew what test the FIA would be doing. It is really strange and I don't think they set the car up for a full wet race. If they did then someone in the Ferrari garage is being very stupid.

#6730 Mastah

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:30

1 Felipe Massa 14:37:37 312.9 (got a toe from Force India I think)
2 Sebastian Vettel 14:47:58 307.8
13 Fernando Alonso 15:07:10 303.5
23 Jarno Trulli 14:10:27 288.5

http://www.formula1....speed_trap.html

So the difference is not as big as it's supposed to be, we need to wait for speed traps on sector lines to see what's going on.

#6731 Showty

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:35

It was clear on tv that Massa and Alonso had different setups, u could see the difference on the wings, specially the back one, when they were leaving the pits u could read Santander very easily on Massa while u barely could on Alonso.

I only see this could work for Alonso if the race starts wet...but even if it does he´ll have to overtake lot of cars...and we know how difficult that is in the rain with the showers.

If it starts dry and then gets wet...well, he´ll be behind Massa so he´ll have to wait for a change of tyres.

I think they got it wrong here, they shouldn´t take risks with Alonso, if so they should do it with Massa, but not the big horse.


#6732 Seanspeed

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:36

Alonso had a setup for wet i think

Maybe, but I think he just messed up his first flying lap, hoping that he'd be able to improve later on, but changing conditions put paid to that.

Praying for rain tomorrow, either way, as he seemed pretty happy in those conditions.

And a good start. He's 10th, which is prime position to get caught up in some melee.

Edited by Seanspeed, 28 August 2010 - 13:36.


#6733 GPmaster

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:36

Adam Cooper on Twitter: "Just heard from Alonso, he regrets not going out on options straight away in Q3 but given that he's 10th he's pretty chilled"

Edited by GPmaster, 28 August 2010 - 13:40.


#6734 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:38

when they were leaving the pits u could read Santander very easily on Massa while u barely could on Alonso.

surely that would mean more wing for massa? do you have some pics? I think I understand it wrongly

#6735 gaston_foix

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:41

Adam Cooper on Twitter: "Just heard from Alonso, he regrets not going out on options straight away in Q3 but given that he's 10th he's pretty chilled"

I thought he is regretting this stupid strategy...

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:44

New engines for both drivers, so 2 units must survive Saturdays and Sundays in Belgium, Italy, Singapore, Japan, Korea and Brazil, with possibility to use old motor in Abu Dhabi. I'm really worried about last GP in that case :|.

Thanks for the info :up:

I really don't understand alonso's calculations.

He believed that he had a 50% prob to win the WDC... and said in to the worldwide press... :drunk:

#6737 mkay

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:49

No matter what happens tomorrow, I think that Ferrari made a mistake to put Alonso on the riskier strategy, as he is the one with the best odds for the title. Thus, Massa should have been the one running with more DF on.



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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:49

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#6739 Flamini

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:49

Alonso just risked everything, he had no chance for pole with normal setup against McLarens/Red Bulls/Kubica so he decided to go with a lot more wet setup.

From this point of view I understand him.

But tomorrow race will be very difficult. I don't have any expectations.

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#6740 mkay

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:50

Maybe, but I think he just messed up his first flying lap, hoping that he'd be able to improve later on, but changing conditions put paid to that.

Praying for rain tomorrow, either way, as he seemed pretty happy in those conditions.

And a good start. He's 10th, which is prime position to get caught up in some melee.


Exactly my thought. While I buy the whole wet setup excuse, it's not easy to forget about his 1st flying lap where he made a mistake that cost him 1+ second, with respect to Massa, Hamilton.

#6741 Mackey

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:53

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But it can´t be the RW only, because Alonso would´ve been faster than Massa in S2. Maybe he´s running with more RH. But i agree it was an unnecesary risk.

#6742 Kovalonso

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 13:56

So does anyone knows preciselly which mods Ferrari decided to race ?

#6743 F.M.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 14:01

No matter what happens tomorrow, I think that Ferrari made a mistake to put Alonso on the riskier strategy, as he is the one with the best odds for the title. Thus, Massa should have been the one running with more DF on.

It is for a part a drivers decision. It's not that the team said, Massa, you go for dry, Alonso, you go for wet. It's about what the drivers feel happy about. The team can advise but won't decide on their own.

#6744 Seanspeed

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 14:02

It is for a part a drivers decision. It's not that the team said, Massa, you go for dry, Alonso, you go for wet. It's about what the drivers feel happy about. The team can advise but won't decide on their own.

Thats very true.

Lets wait and see tomorrow. If it rains, Alonso may look like a genius. If it doesn't, he could well be in for a serious damage limitation exercise.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 14:02

And also Alonso waited for his very last try to use the new set of soft tyres...exactly when it started to rain.

It´s all so weird and messed up it´s still hard to believe.

#6746 mkay

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 14:04

It is for a part a drivers decision. It's not that the team said, Massa, you go for dry, Alonso, you go for wet. It's about what the drivers feel happy about. The team can advise but won't decide on their own.


Well, if Alonso's strategy backfires tomorrow, he'll have only himself to blame. While I agree that is their calls, it seems a little risky not to emulate what the other contenders have done in terms of strategy.

Anyway, let's see tomorrow. We should have a great race.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 14:05

Thats very true.

Lets wait and see tomorrow. If it rains, Alonso may look like a genius. If it doesn't, he could well be in for a serious damage limitation exercise.


Even if it rains it´s going to be veeeeeeery difficult for him, the best chance he has is if the race starts wet, but still he´ll have 9 cars ahead to overtake, and that means almost 0 vissibility, by the 2nd or 3rd lap he could be like 15-16 seconds behind P1.

#6748 Mastah

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 14:08

S1:

Felipe 318.3
Fernando 316

S2:

Fernando 206.1
Felipe 203.1

S3:

Felipe 223.4
Fernando 222.3


That doesn't looks like big difference and surely with more wing Fernando should be much quicker than Felipe in S2 (who made mistake in second try), while it's only 1 tenth of a difference. Very puzzling for me :confused:.

#6749 Seanspeed

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 14:09

Even if it rains it´s going to be veeeeeeery difficult for him, the best chance he has is if the race starts wet, but still he´ll have 9 cars ahead to overtake, and that means almost 0 vissibility, by the 2nd or 3rd lap he could be like 15-16 seconds behind P1.

Never said he was good for a win, but if he can get up to maybe 4th or 5th, I'd say his championship chances will still be alive and well. If the race is crazy enough, a podium wouldn't be out of the question, either. Ya never know. Alonso is a canny racer, lets not forget. I'm very glad to have him in the team, as it was never nice not having confidence in your drivers from such situations as with Kimi and Massa(sorry Kimi.... :( ).

#6750 gaston_foix

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 14:26

I'm very disappointed now... First of all, why the hell he didn't try to a normal setup in FP3. He was always slow in FP3 also? I mean I can't believe that we are not on pair with McLaren and Redbull on this track. Then hard tires in Q3, then rain.... Ohhhh...