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#1951 F1ultimate

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 23:18

Says he stil has a chance

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104554


Encouraging developments. However he needs to put on the showing of his life tomorrow to increase his own market value.

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#1952 charly0418

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 00:48

Well he still has a chance to stay

Force India: Alguersuari, Sutil, Bianchi and Kamui are all options

Lotus: Grosjean will most likely come back

Williams: Almost sure its Maldonado/Bottas

Caterham: I've heard Senna is very likely here but Kamui could get a seat here

Marussia: Chilton is getting the 2nd seat


So it's either Caterham or Force India for him

#1953 Jejking

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 01:05

Which means: FI or nothing, basically, considering his approach and quotes lately. Caterham, only if they manage to convince him the car is going to set the world on fire in '13.

Not like this though:

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#1954 SonnyViceR

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 11:08

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104554


-- Toyota supported the early part of Kobayashi's career and gave him his F1 break in late-2009. The Japanese manufacturer now has a successful World Endurance Championship programme, but Kobayashi insisted it was too soon to consider non-F1 options. "It's too early to think about that. I'm not really interested in that," he said when asked if he would chase a Toyota WEC seat. "I want to be in Formula 1. I think I can be more successful if I have a chance."


So basically, he is digging up his own grave just like Kovalainen...

Edited by SonnyViceR, 25 November 2012 - 11:09.


#1955 alain_sl

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 11:43


-- Toyota supported the early part of Kobayashi's career and gave him his F1 break in late-2009. The Japanese manufacturer now has a successful World Endurance Championship programme, but Kobayashi insisted it was too soon to consider non-F1 options. "It's too early to think about that. I'm not really interested in that," he said when asked if he would chase a Toyota WEC seat. "I want to be in Formula 1. I think I can be more successful if I have a chance."


So basically, he is digging up his own grave just like Kovalainen...


i don't think so.
he is just saying so to show he is committed to F1 and will keep saying saying so until Caterham decide on the last driver seat.
He knows Toyota still lack quality Japanese drivers as demonstrated by Hiroaki Ishiura's forced retirement from the LMP1 program.

#1956 TheUltimateWorrier

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 12:24

Concerning Lotus, would Coca-Cola want a certain Japanese driver to help shift cans of Burn in Asia. Just a thought  ;)

#1957 One

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 12:54

Infinity has raised their position at Red Bull Racing. Nouws the chance for Kamui to become businesslike and get in there. Replace boring Mark Webber with Kamui's dynamic. Infinity will achieve international face with superiorly performing Japanese Formuka One driver, who us actually a very likable smart and attractive sportsman!

#1958 amppatel

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 13:40

Recently KK is being out qualified by SP and he is supposed to be slow...

#1959 DanardiF1

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 14:55

Recently KK is being out qualified by SP and he is supposed to be slow...


Kobayashi has phases of not being so hot in qualifying, as does Perez.

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#1960 One

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 15:00

Kobayashi has phases of not being so hot in qualifying, as does Perez.


Partly due to development halt decision taken by the team. Drivers are no longer in a position to influence the car's performance to their liking, not in as much as they can do when their technical team is responding to it by new development parts. SO drivers have to find the way to go around it.

Never the less, Kamui's performance is consistent, and he should hit peak once more to convince the guys.

Kimi went through the same period. Kamui and his management need to focus and get the job done. I have full belief in them. If not this year then next year.

#1961 Collective

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 16:40

Well, courtesy of Bruno Senna, now it's very likely that Kamui will pass Checo in the championship.

#1962 Jimisgod

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 17:02

Well, courtesy of Bruno Senna, now it's very likely that Kamui will pass Checo in the championship.


And for that, he gets kicked out of F1. While Perez gets a McLaren drive and Grosjean likely gets another 20 races to run into all the things he hasn't crashed into yet.

#1963 UPRC

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 18:25

If Kobayashi doesn't get a seat next year despite genuinely wanting to stay in the sport, then something is terribly wrong with F1.

#1964 KavB

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 18:46

6 points behind Perez. C'mon, this guy has to get a seat.

#1965 Bunchies

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 19:02

Minimum payment is 10,000 yen. You'll get a wristband for your efforts. They may not accept non-Japanese donations though, I'm guessing there are taxation and other issues involved that they haven't been able to resolve yet as they mention it took them time sorting it out for Japanese donations.


Ah yes, I understand. 10,000 yen is not too much to ask, the man has provided me with waaaay more value for my money over the years.

#1966 Masahiro

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 19:08

I would like to see Kamui alongside Kimi for next year, he deserves a seat, more than Grosjean, for sure.

#1967 KinoNoNo

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 19:09

Talk about perverse symmetry.

Kamui possibly went out of F1 how he came in, battling the would be champion in Brazil only 4 years between.

Kobayashi-san if I don't get to watch you again, all I can say is thanks as a fan and all the best in the future :clap:

#1968 XOR

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 19:10

25 points in the last 6 races while his teammate... well, it's f1

#1969 Jimisgod

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 19:15

Beat Schumacher convincingly, too.

Di Resta - 17 points behind Nico H. Keeps seat.
Grosjean - 111 points behind Kimi R. Appears to be keeping his seat.

Kobayashi? 6 points behind teammate. Teammate goes to McLaren, Kamui loses drive.

#1970 fatd

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 19:17

Talk about perverse symmetry.

Kamui possibly went out of F1 how he came in, battling the would be champion in Brazil only 4 years between.

Kobayashi-san if I don't get to watch you again, all I can say is thanks as a fan and all the best in the future :clap:



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#1971 Bunchies

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 19:19

Talk about perverse symmetry.

Kamui possibly went out of F1 how he came in, battling the would be champion in Brazil only 4 years between.

Kobayashi-san if I don't get to watch you again, all I can say is thanks as a fan and all the best in the future :clap:


I was on my feet, all race. Kamui's passes reminded me of Kimi Raikkonen in Brazil 2003.

What a fantastic, fantastic show. I absolutely love that man.

#1972 sniper80

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 19:27

Koba needs to stay in F1, he's a very entertaining driver, in a good way. I hope Lotus gives him a contract over Crashjean.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 19:40

Man, what a roller coaster race. The first half was great to watch. I thought P4 or P5 would have been possible at some point, but he lost so much time at the end of that middle stint and couldn't recover that. Overtaking Schumacher didn't work out either. Too bad, but it wouldn't have been enough to get Sauber ahead of Merc anyway.

Still, it's a shame he will likely not be in F1 next year.

#1974 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 19:41

I would like to see Kamui alongside Kimi for next year, he deserves a seat, more than Grosjean, for sure.

Not helping Lotus much. He is even more inconsistent than Grosjean.

#1975 amarelo

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 19:51

Not helping Lotus much. He is even more inconsistent than Grosjean.


Looking at Perez/Koba performances i would say the car/team is the inconsistent part of the puzzle. Anyway a great showing from Koba just let down by the team, i think Checo would have been right there with Koba and the team should have got 5th at the end of this race, will they ever learn?

#1976 dau

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 20:01

Not helping Lotus much. He is even more inconsistent than Grosjean.

Not really, but we've had this discussion lots of times.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 20:29

Not helping Lotus much. He is even more inconsistent than Grosjean.


Wrong, but as mentioned, this has been discussed many times before.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 20:39

How much he brings is important factor of silly season because some teams would want him if he brings as same as Grosjean, Bottas or Alguersuari.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 21:20

I honestly think Kobayashi drove well today. The overtake didn't work out but at least he tried. In fact he kept fighting for the whole race. He has the right spirit and I would love to see him continue driving in F1.

Edited by Wander, 25 November 2012 - 21:20.


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#1980 sosidge

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 21:26

Could have been so much better without the over-optimistic lunge on Schumacher. Cost him critical positions and points. Until then, good pace, good confidence in the changing conditions, and I especially liked the pass on Alonso which Ben BBC completely missed. Not sure what happened in the incident that spun Webber but since no further mention was made of it I'll assume it was blameless.

Fingers crossed he stays in F1. Frankly, after Webber's "teamwork" today Red Bull should be showing him the door, and KK would be the ideal replacement!

#1981 billm99uk

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 21:53

Could have been so much better without the over-optimistic lunge on Schumacher. Cost him critical positions and points.


I thought it almost came off. Grip just wasn't quite what he thought it was. :well:

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 22:32

Could have been so much better without the over-optimistic lunge on Schumacher. Cost him critical positions and points.


Only cost him 1 position and 2 points really. Completely insignificant anyway. Had he passed Schumacher, he would have been one position up in the driver standings, but still not very significant.

Edited by Wander, 25 November 2012 - 22:33.


#1983 KinoNoNo

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 22:43

I thought it almost came off. Grip just wasn't quite what he thought it was. :well:


Yeah it was one of those 50/50 moves that could of come off on another day, and he had a fair few stick also today.

And at least he didn't hit Michael and possibly take both out, unlike a certain other German that's going to Sauber next year.

Edited by KinoNoNo, 25 November 2012 - 22:47.


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Posted 25 November 2012 - 22:48

Yeah it was one of those 50/50 moves that could of come off on another day, and he had a fair few stick also today.

And at least he didn't hit Michael and possibly take both out, unlike a certain other German that's going to Sauber next year.


I think he needed 6th to equal Perez.

Edit: damn you removed it before I clicked reply :)

Edited by fisssssi, 25 November 2012 - 22:51.


#1985 KinoNoNo

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 22:49

I think he needed 6th to equal Perez.

Yeah I ninja edited when I realized my math suck :lol:

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 22:56

Only cost him 1 position and 2 points really. Completely insignificant anyway. Had he passed Schumacher, he would have been one position up in the driver standings, but still not very significant.

Tell that to Kobayashi. I'm sure every point is bonus money at the end of the season.

Edited by InSearchOfThe, 25 November 2012 - 22:57.


#1987 Wander

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 23:02

Tell that to Kobayashi. I'm sure every point is bonus money at the end of the season.


I doubt he cares about that. He was interested in beating Schumacher and finishing higher up, sure, but not for money. He is just interested in actually getting a seat for next year, a seat that he deserves imo. but it currently looks like he will have to do something else.

Edited by Wander, 25 November 2012 - 23:03.


#1988 InSearchOfThe

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 23:19

I doubt he cares about that. He was interested in beating Schumacher and finishing higher up, sure, but not for money. He is just interested in actually getting a seat for next year, a seat that he deserves imo. but it currently looks like he will have to do something else.

These boards are so very funny.
It kills me that people really believe the BS they write. And think they know what Grand Prix drivers think and feel.
Funny, funny stuff.

#1989 Wander

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 23:20

So you think he is racing for money? That's bullshit.

Edited by Wander, 25 November 2012 - 23:21.


#1990 DanardiF1

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 23:24

Not helping Lotus much. He is even more inconsistent than Grosjean.


If you look at the races where Sauber were in contention for points, you see that Kamui was usually the one scoring them... and that's over the 3 seasons he was with the team.

Kamui is actually one of only a few drivers who you can trust to improve on their qualifying position.

#1991 XOR

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 23:30

I'm sure every point is bonus money at the end of the season.

Yep, FIA bonus. $5000 for every point scored plus basic fee

#1992 midgrid

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 23:40

Fingers crossed for a seat next year. Failing that, a third driver role or an LMP1 drive for Toyota. Even if his F1 career is now over, I'll take many fond memories from the last few years:

- Dicing with champion-elect Button during his very first F1 race, at Interlagos in 2009, then rejoining the battle in Abu Dhabi.
- Powersliding through the Wall of Champions chicane in 2011.
- The many great overtaking manoeuvres, too many to mention here.
- The funny interviews and off-track moments.
- And of course, the home podium finish this year, especially the Japanese fans' reaction.

Not bad when his racing career looked to be over after his 2009 GP2 campaign.

#1993 fisssssi

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 00:34

Would be sad if this thread outlives his F1 career :(

#1994 evilraver

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 00:44

Would be sad if this thread outlives his F1 career :(

Indeed :|
And from now on it will be my browser's homepage :drunk: (I already always had it on a browser tab anyway :lol: )
Ohhhhh loook it's soooo close to the 2000 posts mark!!! :clap:

gooooooooooooooo Kamuiiiiiiiiii!!!! forever :up:

#1995 billm99uk

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 01:34

Can't believe Kobayashi's pass on Alonso didn't make the BBC highlights package :cry:

Edited by billm99uk, 26 November 2012 - 01:35.


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 01:43

I really hope this wasn't Kamui's last race in F1, but if it is then thanks, Koba-san, for providing me someone to root for in the last few years. Good luck in your racing endeavors next season.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 05:39


He said the car was good on intermediate tyres, but struggled as the track dried up, which was well predicted as Sauber has been weak on normal dry condition for past several races incl Brazil. He said the main objective of this race is to pass and increase gap b/w Merc as much as possible, so he took a risk and gave it a try. Why not? It's been clear that Sauber's target has been to beat Merc in championship standing, so whether racing for "money" or not etc now is quite off the mark.


Regarding 2013, he said his post-Brazil schedule is packed. he and his managing team are working hard on it right now. Hopefully good news coming soon.


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 06:46

Regarding 2013, he said his post-Brazil schedule is packed. he and his managing team are working hard on it right now. Hopefully good news coming soon.


Kamui: "I have already become a *businessman*" (from f1-stinger.com )

#1999 ViMaMo

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:48

I would hate to see him in the bottom deck. He shouldnt opt for the HRT, Marussia or Caterham.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:01

He said the car was good on intermediate tyres, but struggled as the track dried up, which was well predicted as Sauber has been weak on normal dry condition for past several races incl Brazil. He said the main objective of this race is to pass and increase gap b/w Merc as much as possible, so he took a risk and gave it a try. Why not? It's been clear that Sauber's target has been to beat Merc in championship standing, so whether racing for "money" or not etc now is quite off the mark.


Regarding 2013, he said his post-Brazil schedule is packed. he and his managing team are working hard on it right now. Hopefully good news coming soon.

What is good news in terms of having a ride in 2013? Lotus would be best, but I think Gro will stay. Then perhaps Williams is left. I am not so sure that FI will survive.